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It's a heavy insinuation to say that the judges look like they are paid. I think it was clear enough that Davis won over Cruz. In fairness to the judges, their scorecards suggest that the fight was close enough. One judge gave 116-112 while the other two gave 115-113.

Ryan Garcia must be the favorite fighter if he will face Tank Davis. It could even end in a knockout in favor of Garcia.

Because the fight was so close, his rivals are mocking him, among them Devin Haney, Ryan Garcia, and of course the one who should be in the ring with him Rolly Romero, they all think that Gervonta was exposed, Tank is always Tank he will find ways to knock you out but on this fight, he suffered an injury that prevents him from giving his best shot, and Isaac Cruz come very much prepared in this fight.
I hope to see Gervonta fighting on any of these three, Garcia, Romero, or Romero  next year, I still believe Tank is the better fighter of the four

Indeed, the fight was so close. It is ironic that after the fight, the winner was kinda mocked and the loser kinda praised. That's funny. But I'm one of those who are giving a lot of props to Cruz and a little misgiving on the ability of Davis. Davis was indeed exposed on that fight. He somehow failed a lot of expectations and indeed made a surprise to his solid fans who are anticipating a rather explosive show of their man. Cruz, on the other hand, has earned a lot of respect from his loss. Not to mention that he faced Davis on short notice. People are looking forward to his next fight.

I think Garcia is the best among the three that you mentioned.
It comes down to expectations, Davis had huge expectations for this fight and their fans thought this would be an easy win, while in the case of Cruz no one really expected too much out of him, so it makes sense that Davis is being criticized and Cruz is being praised, however we cannot make an informed decision based on just one fight, maybe Davis simply could not figure out Cruz and that is why he did not seemed to fight at his usual level, however if he keeps fighting like that against other opponents then I doubt he will be able to retain his championship for long.
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This is a controversial fight, I think there should be a rematch so Tank Davis can prove clearly that he really won the fight. IIRC, his promoter Floyd had a fight with Maidana before and the fans are not happy with the judges' decision, so Mayweather gave him a rematch and beat Maidana in the rematch convincingly. For me, that's the best way to silence the people who doubt his victory in this fight.
Agreed in rematch because the fight is a typical Tie for me but since the judges decided in favor of Davis then questions comes from the supporters  of Isaac and those who bet against Davis.

But since Davis denied the chance of rematch then there will nothing to expect in this fight .

Lets Hope that this will never add same fight outcome to which they will face in the future because it is frustrating from other part.

Davis has the right to say no because he won this fight via unanimous decision, yes, it looks questionable but he is the champion and Cruz as a challenger has to make sure he will give a convincing win, the best way to do that is by knocking down Davis which he can't do. Let's move on, if Cruz is really good, they'll eventually meet in the future once he also becomes a champion.

Ryan Garcia vs Tank Davis is something worth to wait for.
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This is a controversial fight, I think there should be a rematch so Tank Davis can prove clearly that he really won the fight. IIRC, his promoter Floyd had a fight with Maidana before and the fans are not happy with the judges' decision, so Mayweather gave him a rematch and beat Maidana in the rematch convincingly. For me, that's the best way to silence the people who doubt his victory in this fight.
Agreed in rematch because the fight is a typical Tie for me but since the judges decided in favor of Davis then questions comes from the supporters  of Isaac and those who bet against Davis.

But since Davis denied the chance of rematch then there will nothing to expect in this fight .

Lets Hope that this will never add same fight outcome to which they will face in the future because it is frustrating from other part.
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It's a heavy insinuation to say that the judges look like they are paid. I think it was clear enough that Davis won over Cruz. In fairness to the judges, their scorecards suggest that the fight was close enough. One judge gave 116-112 while the other two gave 115-113.

Ryan Garcia must be the favorite fighter if he will face Tank Davis. It could even end in a knockout in favor of Garcia.

Because the fight was so close, his rivals are mocking him, among them Devin Haney, Ryan Garcia, and of course the one who should be in the ring with him Rolly Romero, they all think that Gervonta was exposed, Tank is always Tank he will find ways to knock you out but on this fight, he suffered an injury that prevents him from giving his best shot, and Isaac Cruz come very much prepared in this fight.
I hope to see Gervonta fighting on any of these three, Garcia, Romero, or Romero  next year, I still believe Tank is the better fighter of the four

Indeed, the fight was so close. It is ironic that after the fight, the winner was kinda mocked and the loser kinda praised. That's funny. But I'm one of those who are giving a lot of props to Cruz and a little misgiving on the ability of Davis. Davis was indeed exposed on that fight. He somehow failed a lot of expectations and indeed made a surprise to his solid fans who are anticipating a rather explosive show of their man. Cruz, on the other hand, has earned a lot of respect from his loss. Not to mention that he faced Davis on short notice. People are looking forward to his next fight.

I think Garcia is the best among the three that you mentioned.
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This is a controversial fight, I think there should be a rematch so Tank Davis can prove clearly that he really won the fight. IIRC, his promoter Floyd had a fight with Maidana before and the fans are not happy with the judges' decision, so Mayweather gave him a rematch and beat Maidana in the rematch convincingly. For me, that's the best way to silence the people who doubt his victory in this fight.
Tank Davis said in the post fight interview that he won't give Cruz a rematch, so scrap that idea.

And I don't think that Davis will fight any of the champions for now, maybe they will wait for a bit till they beat each other.

So it might be Haney vs Kambosos next, and then maybe Loma will be the next in line.

Not sure about Ryan Garcia, he was supposed to fight Javier Fortuna last July, so maybe that will still be in effect when he comes back.

Since Davis is under Mayweather's promotions, they will likely look for bigger fights with bigger pay. If Davis said that he won't give a re-match, for sure, they are already thinking of the next opponent here. But if in case, there's high following of Davis-Cruz re-match, I guess, Davis camp will re-think about it. But for now, high likely that the next match is not for Cruz. Just hope that they will not cherry picking here, in favor of Davis.

But the thing is that Mayweather is protecting Davis, his cash cow and that's why he doesn't see him fight big names? Rolly Romero? Isaac Cruz?

He should get real challenges so that he will not just get bigger paycheck, but respect from boxing community. But as his boss, Floyd, doesn't care about that legacy or respect, as long as he has no loss he/they believed that they are the best.

You can argue that they can't get decent opponents because of Davis power, true, but in this fight, he has shows weakness and even broke his hands.
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This is a controversial fight, I think there should be a rematch so Tank Davis can prove clearly that he really won the fight. IIRC, his promoter Floyd had a fight with Maidana before and the fans are not happy with the judges' decision, so Mayweather gave him a rematch and beat Maidana in the rematch convincingly. For me, that's the best way to silence the people who doubt his victory in this fight.
Tank Davis said in the post fight interview that he won't give Cruz a rematch, so scrap that idea.

And I don't think that Davis will fight any of the champions for now, maybe they will wait for a bit till they beat each other.

So it might be Haney vs Kambosos next, and then maybe Loma will be the next in line.

Not sure about Ryan Garcia, he was supposed to fight Javier Fortuna last July, so maybe that will still be in effect when he comes back.

Since Davis is under Mayweather's promotions, they will likely look for bigger fights with bigger pay. If Davis said that he won't give a re-match, for sure, they are already thinking of the next opponent here. But if in case, there's high following of Davis-Cruz re-match, I guess, Davis camp will re-think about it. But for now, high likely that the next match is not for Cruz. Just hope that they will not cherry picking here, in favor of Davis.
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But Davis is really good as a boxer, actually, I have no idea that Floyd is his promoter. I know some of us here do not like Floyd, but, I respect him because he is good, he doesn't cherry-pick as he fought Canelo and Pacquiao and beat them, what I don't like is his boring boxing style.
You are kidding, right? When you said you don't know that Floyd Mayweather is Davis's promoter when this is not something new within the boxing ecosystem.
Is not that people hate Floyd, I am personally his fan but I think boxing fans are tired of fighting where the match seems to fix (the Champion going after the fighter people know are easy for him to beat).


I agree though that people hate Davis because of Floyd, simply as that. But for the record though, he fought a very new Canelo, actually it was the first time that we heard the name of Canelo that time, because if was his first time he fought in the US. We know that Floyd vs Manny is long overdue and Pacquiao that time has shoulder injury (no excuses but just telling the facts).

Now though boxing fans are more smart, they only appreciate boxers who fought the best in their division and they don't care if a fighter has 0 lost. Manny was appreciate even though he has a lot of lost because he fought everyone.
It is not that people hate Davis because of Mayweather but they hate the fact that Mayweather is making him walk in his own path of fighting the weak opponent in his division.
Yes, boxing fans are smart but we still have some die-hard fans who will appreciate Mayweather for fighting the weak opponent.


Is not that people hate Floyd, I am personally his fan but I think boxing fans are tired of fighting where the match seems to fix (the Champion going after the fighter people know are easy for him to beat).
I don't hate Floyd but not his fan, I just don't like his style in boxing but sometimes I do bet on him, and guess what? I also won because he never lose. Floyd makes you profitable when betting because he is very smart and could dominate his opponent.
I also don't hate Mayweather, I'm since fan but that don't stop from saying the fact about his doing cause I'm never in support of every boxer that didn't give us a real fight just like in the prime of Mike Tyson.
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This is a controversial fight, I think there should be a rematch so Tank Davis can prove clearly that he really won the fight. IIRC, his promoter Floyd had a fight with Maidana before and the fans are not happy with the judges' decision, so Mayweather gave him a rematch and beat Maidana in the rematch convincingly. For me, that's the best way to silence the people who doubt his victory in this fight.
Tank Davis said in the post fight interview that he won't give Cruz a rematch, so scrap that idea.

And I don't think that Davis will fight any of the champions for now, maybe they will wait for a bit till they beat each other.

So it might be Haney vs Kambosos next, and then maybe Loma will be the next in line.

Not sure about Ryan Garcia, he was supposed to fight Javier Fortuna last July, so maybe that will still be in effect when he comes back.
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He almost lost to Isaac Cruz but the judges scored a UD in favor of Davis, look like the judges are paid.
Though i am also not favor of the outcome of this fight yet it is not enough reason to believe that the judges are paid, they have scored closely and meaning by any chance Davis is indeed almost lost in this fight .



Big win for you bro. Congrats.
This is the one we are waiting , to Davis facing Garcia as this will also a close fight same as this recent bout against Cruz.

but this time this will be tougher i think .
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It's a heavy insinuation to say that the judges look like they are paid. I think it was clear enough that Davis won over Cruz. In fairness to the judges, their scorecards suggest that the fight was close enough. One judge gave 116-112 while the other two gave 115-113.

Ryan Garcia must be the favorite fighter if he will face Tank Davis. It could even end in a knockout in favor of Garcia.

Because the fight was so close, his rivals are mocking him, among them Devin Haney, Ryan Garcia, and of course the one who should be in the ring with him Rolly Romero, they all think that Gervonta was exposed, Tank is always Tank he will find ways to knock you out but on this fight, he suffered an injury that prevents him from giving his best shot, and Isaac Cruz come very much prepared in this fight.
I hope to see Gervonta fighting on any of these three, Garcia, Romero, or Romero  next year, I still believe Tank is the better fighter of the four
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He almost lost to Isaac Cruz but the judges scored a UD in favor of Davis, look like the judges are paid.

I guess Ryan Garcia has a huge chance of winning against Tank Davis as he has the power, and as we have seen in this fight,  Isaac Cruz also hit Davis but he doesn't have the power to knock him down. IMO, Tank Davis is exposed in this fight and Ryan Garcia sees it that's why he calls for him.

It's a heavy insinuation to say that the judges look like they are paid. I think it was clear enough that Davis won over Cruz. In fairness to the judges, their scorecards suggest that the fight was close enough. One judge gave 116-112 while the other two gave 115-113.

Ryan Garcia must be the favorite fighter if he will face Tank Davis. It could even end in a knockout in favor of Garcia.
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Thanks mate, I never expected too much of that ticket as we all knew how powerful of a puncher Davis is but things like that usually happen in boxing.

Davis'performance last night is not so impressive but I think he has done enough to get that W and maybe it is time for him to fight Haney or Kambosos next.

So, it would be Loma's turn next week to take center stage and try to impress the fans which I do think he will as usual.
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This is a controversial fight, I think there should be a rematch so Tank Davis can prove clearly that he really won the fight. IIRC, his promoter Floyd had a fight with Maidana before and the fans are not happy with the judges' decision, so Mayweather gave him a rematch and beat Maidana in the rematch convincingly. For me, that's the best way to silence the people who doubt his victory in this fight.
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Much like Devin Hany, Tank Davis failed to impress. I would rather see Loma get the opportunity to fight Kambosos next since he is the only one who has really put in the work and is always challenging the best available fighters.

Out of Davis against any of the top lightweights would be great. I could see him potentially losing to Haney and Garcia but I can also see him knocking them out. None of them really stands out from the rest. It's time for Floyd to take off Tank's training wheels and put him in a fight where he isn't so heavily favored.
Not going to happen, I really think that Davis and Floyd are reading how the division is moving to perfection, they are seeing that the division is about to have many of its champions facing each other, so instead of being part of it they may decide to stay away from the action for the time being and only fight one unification fight against whoever is still standing, this way they get a huge fight but at the same time they do not risk what they have built.
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Much like Devin Hany, Tank Davis failed to impress. I would rather see Loma get the opportunity to fight Kambosos next since he is the only one who has really put in the work and is always challenging the best available fighters.

Out of Davis against any of the top lightweights would be great. I could see him potentially losing to Haney and Garcia but I can also see him knocking them out. None of them really stands out from the rest. It's time for Floyd to take off Tank's training wheels and put him in a fight where he isn't so heavily favored.
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He almost lost to Isaac Cruz but the judges scored a UD in favor of Davis, look like the judges are paid.

I guess Ryan Garcia has a huge chance of winning against Tank Davis as he has the power, and as we have seen in this fight,  Isaac Cruz also hit Davis but he doesn't have the power to knock him down. IMO, Tank Davis is exposed in this fight and Ryan Garcia sees it that's why he calls for him.





Big win for you bro. Congrats.
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Ryan Garcia has been belittling Davis for quite some time now. I remember even calling Tank "ugly" during the Mike Tyson podcast.

Of course, everyone has a week point, maybe Tank underestimate Cruz because he was a replacement fighter and he didn't know about the tough Mexican mofo. And yes, he confirmed that he broke his left arm. But Cruz is really durable and take everything want Davis throws and he was able to hit Davis too.

And as per CompuBox, yeah, Ryan is right, it was very close fight as Davis only landed 12 more punches than Cruz.

Isaac Cruz is really a tough nut to crack if Ryan thinks that Davis is weak why not fight Isaac Cruz next for his next fight, Ryan is all talk and no action he wants to fight Kambosos next but when the deal has been made he is always back out for many reasons, Gervonta can beat Ryan Garcia, Garcia is an overrated boxer he has never faced a real champion, hopefully, next year we'll see both fighters, fighting inside the ring.

That's interesting. Davis vs Garcia will attract more interest if this fight will be pushed after Davis finished Cruz.

Garcia needs to step up and face real fighters, a kind of breed that has the capabilities to knock him down,
A good test for him to prove his title.

I'll look forward if ever there's a push that will call for this match up..
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Ryan Garcia has been belittling Davis for quite some time now. I remember even calling Tank "ugly" during the Mike Tyson podcast.

Of course, everyone has a week point, maybe Tank underestimate Cruz because he was a replacement fighter and he didn't know about the tough Mexican mofo. And yes, he confirmed that he broke his left arm. But Cruz is really durable and take everything want Davis throws and he was able to hit Davis too.

And as per CompuBox, yeah, Ryan is right, it was very close fight as Davis only landed 12 more punches than Cruz.

Isaac Cruz is really a tough nut to crack if Ryan thinks that Davis is weak why not fight Isaac Cruz next for his next fight, Ryan is all talk and no action he wants to fight Kambosos next but when the deal has been made he is always back out for many reasons, Gervonta can beat Ryan Garcia, Garcia is an overrated boxer he has never faced a real champion, hopefully, next year we'll see both fighters, fighting inside the ring.
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Ryan Garcia belittles Tank for his very hard win against Cruz

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Gervonta gets away with fighting  c level fighters, out of all the lightweights he’s the weakest!!! His toughest test was Leo Santa Cruz, almost lost tonight bring it on I’ve been calling you out for awhile...

Both Garcia and DeLa Hoya want Tank Davis we'll see if there is a development on this.

This is a hard match for Tank I don't want to say that he was  exposed but many people especially Ryan Garcia thinks Davis is not really invincible, after Ryan call Tank it's up to Mayweather now if he agrees for Davis to fight Garcia next

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Ryan Garcia has been belittling Davis for quite some time now. I remember even calling Tank "ugly" during the Mike Tyson podcast.

Of course, everyone has a week point, maybe Tank underestimate Cruz because he was a replacement fighter and he didn't know about the tough Mexican mofo. And yes, he confirmed that he broke his left arm. But Cruz is really durable and take everything want Davis throws and he was able to hit Davis too.

And as per CompuBox, yeah, Ryan is right, it was very close fight as Davis only landed 12 more punches than Cruz.
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Ryan Garcia belittles Tank for his very hard win against Cruz

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Gervonta gets away with fighting  c level fighters, out of all the lightweights he’s the weakest!!! His toughest test was Leo Santa Cruz, almost lost tonight bring it on I’ve been calling you out for awhile...

Both Garcia and DeLa Hoya want Tank Davis we'll see if there is a development on this.

This is a hard match for Tank I don't want to say that he was  exposed but many people especially Ryan Garcia thinks Davis is not really invincible, after Ryan call Tank it's up to Mayweather now if he agrees for Davis to fight Garcia next

Here is the related article

Ryan Garcia Calls Out Tank Davis, Says He “Almost Lost” To Isaac Cruz

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