[Boxing]: GGG vs Murata - Reschedule - page 26.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 23, 2021, 01:11:58 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on December 21, 2021, 09:46:06 PM

Unfortunately, it is what it is, and yes, no need to change the venue of the fight. The promoters have invested their money already here. And they are not going to just move the venue somewhere else because it will involved another set of money that they can't recoup.

I'm not really sure who set up this fight and why in Japan, I reckon the deal was brokered by Murata's manager that's why it will be held in their country. Nonetheless, it's a good choice because Japanese loves their boxers as they think of them as national hero's too. But as you have said, their government has really to do this measures not to allow any sporting events in their country to prevent the spread of the new Covid-19 variant so the fight should wait a bit.

I think it's part of GGG's Big Drama show showcase his fights anywhere across the globe like his recent fights that was held at O2 in London and Madison Square Garden in New York, and since they have their own GGG promotions with the help of Teiken Promotions which concluded the fight to be held at Saitama Super Arena in Japan. And as usual, this fight will be packed by crowd knowing that this will be a huge fight for the Japanese people.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on December 29, 2021, 02:05:41 PM

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And the second factor is that as we know as the local and the champion Murata will have an advantage with the judges, and it will allow him to more easily retain his title, and that advantage is important when you are fighting someone like GGG.

There's no Japanese judge if I remember correctly. Do you think as a host country, they can influence the decision of foreign judges? What if Murata really scores lots of points. If there's something not right with the decision, we will see it clearly if we watch the fight.

Let's disregard the flaws in the result. Judges will have a fair result on that match and I'm willing to bet on it.

Even if there is no Japanese judge judging the fight they will be affected, now I am not saying that somehow the judges have been bribed to give the fight to Murata, even if we know that something like that can happen, what I am saying is that it is known that in team sports like soccer the referee will give a slight a advantage to the home team just because of the crowd.

And something similar can happen here, and when a fight is close even a single point can be the difference between winning or losing, and it is obvious that in that instance Murata will have an advantage over GGG.

Too much for speculation now. Let's wait for the fight before anything else.

That kind of observation doesn't make sense to think for now. If there's cheating that will happen, we will see to that. As a viewer, we will see the way they fight on who has the advantage or is dominating.

I believed the result will be fair. If not, there will be a massive call about that from the community.

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And the second factor is that as we know as the local and the champion Murata will have an advantage with the judges, and it will allow him to more easily retain his title, and that advantage is important when you are fighting someone like GGG.

There's no Japanese judge if I remember correctly. Do you think as a host country, they can influence the decision of foreign judges? What if Murata really scores lots of points. If there's something not right with the decision, we will see it clearly if we watch the fight.

Let's disregard the flaws in the result. Judges will have a fair result on that match and I'm willing to bet on it.

Even if there is no Japanese judge judging the fight they will be affected, now I am not saying that somehow the judges have been bribed to give the fight to Murata, even if we know that something like that can happen, what I am saying is that it is known that in team sports like soccer the referee will give a slight a advantage to the home team just because of the crowd.

And something similar can happen here, and when a fight is close even a single point can be the difference between winning or losing, and it is obvious that in that instance Murata will have an advantage over GGG.

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Quote from: milewilda on December 28, 2021, 05:59:50 PM

Change of venue would be out of their options but rather make things to wait up.

In the first place, no way they will think about it for now, same with other factors that might change everything.

Unless Japan will extend the period of their current restrictions, that would be considered. Maybe a month or two of waiting won't spoil the supposed timeline of the fight so it's ok to wait. After all, no problem at both boxers as it's also giving time for them to prepare more.

Time flies so fast, the fight should be happening tomorrow. Let's wait then for further updates.

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Quote from: South Park on December 28, 2021, 02:22:07 PM

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With the postponement, this fight might not push through. The sad thing is that time is running out of these fighters. Youth is not on their side. And they have been inactive for a considerably long time already before the day of their match arrives, GGG for more than a year and Murata more than 2 years. If I were the organizers and promoters of this fight, I would rather look for a place somewhere that doesn't have a strict travel policy for foreigners. We know there is a risk because the new Omicron variant is already spreading but there must be a nice country that could host this match.

I think the same however most likely there are contractual obligations that does not allow them to do that, and even if they were not we need to consider all the expenses that are necessary to organize and promote a fight, a change of venue will without a doubt increase the cost for the promoters making the fight unprofitable for them, so I think it is way more likely we could see the fight taking place where it was originally agreed to or a cancellation of the fight than a change of venue.

Change of venue would be out of their options but rather make things to wait up.We are on a global pandemic situation on which it would really be just right and considerable for those delays and fans could wait up for the fight rather than these organizers would changed out some venue for that sake of that and as said it wont really be profitable for them to do so.
Just like other fights that do happen now and been postponed do really share up on the same very reason so there shouldnt really be made those kind
of adjustments and just wait for the right time on resuming those fights.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on December 23, 2021, 08:46:45 PM

With the postponement, this fight might not push through. The sad thing is that time is running out of these fighters. Youth is not on their side. And they have been inactive for a considerably long time already before the day of their match arrives, GGG for more than a year and Murata more than 2 years. If I were the organizers and promoters of this fight, I would rather look for a place somewhere that doesn't have a strict travel policy for foreigners. We know there is a risk because the new Omicron variant is already spreading but there must be a nice country that could host this match.

I think the same however most likely there are contractual obligations that does not allow them to do that, and even if they were not we need to consider all the expenses that are necessary to organize and promote a fight, a change of venue will without a doubt increase the cost for the promoters making the fight unprofitable for them, so I think it is way more likely we could see the fight taking place where it was originally agreed to or a cancellation of the fight than a change of venue.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 24, 2021, 08:47:22 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on December 23, 2021, 08:46:45 PM

With the postponement, this fight might not push through. The sad thing is that time is running out of these fighters. Youth is not on their side. And they have been inactive for a considerably long time already before the day of their match arrives, GGG for more than a year and Murata more than 2 years. If I were the organizers and promoters of this fight, I would rather look for a place somewhere that doesn't have a strict travel policy for foreigners. We know there is a risk because the new Omicron variant is already spreading but there must be a nice country that could host this match.

Don't say that, it's already postponed, not canceled, so we still have to be optimistic that the right will push through early next year. This is a big fight, both fighters will have a chance to proved who is the better fighter, and make some enormous pay as well, so don't give up on this one, be more positive that the fight will still happen.

I am still optimistic that this fight will happen. I hope it will happen even if it means it is not fought in Japan. I hope it is only postponed. But sometimes if it is repeatedly postponed and for months, the sense of excitement and anticipation is gradually gone. And then the desire to fight the same opponent is lost which results in looking for another opponent. That again will take time. And since these fighters are not getting any younger they're already losing a lot of opportunities.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on December 23, 2021, 08:46:45 PM

With the postponement, this fight might not push through. The sad thing is that time is running out of these fighters. Youth is not on their side. And they have been inactive for a considerably long time already before the day of their match arrives, GGG for more than a year and Murata more than 2 years. If I were the organizers and promoters of this fight, I would rather look for a place somewhere that doesn't have a strict travel policy for foreigners. We know there is a risk because the new Omicron variant is already spreading but there must be a nice country that could host this match.

Don't say that, it's already postponed, not canceled, so we still have to be optimistic that the right will push through early next year. This is a big fight, both fighters will have a chance to proved who is the better fighter, and make some enormous pay as well, so don't give up on this one, be more positive that the fight will still happen.

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With the postponement, this fight might not push through. The sad thing is that time is running out of these fighters. Youth is not on their side. And they have been inactive for a considerably long time already before the day of their match arrives, GGG for more than a year and Murata more than 2 years. If I were the organizers and promoters of this fight, I would rather look for a place somewhere that doesn't have a strict travel policy for foreigners. We know there is a risk because the new Omicron variant is already spreading but there must be a nice country that could host this match.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on December 23, 2021, 11:36:07 AM

And the second factor is that as we know as the local and the champion Murata will have an advantage with the judges, and it will allow him to more easily retain his title, and that advantage is important when you are fighting someone like GGG.

There's no Japanese judge if I remember correctly. Do you think as a host country, they can influence the decision of foreign judges? What if Murata really scores lots of points. If there's something not right with the decision, we will see it clearly if we watch the fight.

Let's disregard the flaws in the result. Judges will have a fair result on that match and I'm willing to bet on it.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on December 23, 2021, 11:36:07 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on December 23, 2021, 01:11:58 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on December 21, 2021, 09:46:06 PM

Unfortunately, it is what it is, and yes, no need to change the venue of the fight. The promoters have invested their money already here. And they are not going to just move the venue somewhere else because it will involved another set of money that they can't recoup.

I'm not really sure who set up this fight and why in Japan, I reckon the deal was brokered by Murata's manager that's why it will be held in their country. Nonetheless, it's a good choice because Japanese loves their boxers as they think of them as national hero's too. But as you have said, their government has really to do this measures not to allow any sporting events in their country to prevent the spread of the new Covid-19 variant so the fight should wait a bit.

There are probably many factors about why this is the case, the first factor is the money, GGG is a star all over the world but this is not the case for Murata, and since he is the champion then it makes sense for him to receive more money home than in any other venue.

And the second factor is that as we know as the local and the champion Murata will have an advantage with the judges, and it will allow him to more easily retain his title, and that advantage is important when you are fighting someone like GGG.

We've discussed about the hometown decision few pages back, while there are individuals who agree with how the way you see it. However, we all know how discipline the Japanese is, so I doubt that there will be homecook decision just in case the fight goes to the judges scorecard. So with that said, I don't think that Murata will have an advantage to the judges. If they see that their boy is losing, then they are going to score it the way it is and not make it appear that he won the fight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 23, 2021, 01:11:58 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on December 21, 2021, 09:46:06 PM

Unfortunately, it is what it is, and yes, no need to change the venue of the fight. The promoters have invested their money already here. And they are not going to just move the venue somewhere else because it will involved another set of money that they can't recoup.

I'm not really sure who set up this fight and why in Japan, I reckon the deal was brokered by Murata's manager that's why it will be held in their country. Nonetheless, it's a good choice because Japanese loves their boxers as they think of them as national hero's too. But as you have said, their government has really to do this measures not to allow any sporting events in their country to prevent the spread of the new Covid-19 variant so the fight should wait a bit.

There are probably many factors about why this is the case, the first factor is the money, GGG is a star all over the world but this is not the case for Murata, and since he is the champion then it makes sense for him to receive more money home than in any other venue.

And the second factor is that as we know as the local and the champion Murata will have an advantage with the judges, and it will allow him to more easily retain his title, and that advantage is important when you are fighting someone like GGG.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 23, 2021, 01:11:58 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on December 21, 2021, 09:46:06 PM

Unfortunately, it is what it is, and yes, no need to change the venue of the fight. The promoters have invested their money already here. And they are not going to just move the venue somewhere else because it will involved another set of money that they can't recoup.

I'm not really sure who set up this fight and why in Japan, I reckon the deal was brokered by Murata's manager that's why it will be held in their country. Nonetheless, it's a good choice because Japanese loves their boxers as they think of them as national hero's too. But as you have said, their government has really to do this measures not to allow any sporting events in their country to prevent the spread of the new Covid-19 variant so the fight should wait a bit.

I was also surprised to hear that the venue will be held in Japan, so yes, most probably Murata and his manager has something to do with it.

And remember that Japanese are willing to shell out huge money if ever an event like boxing is going to be held there. Remember the Floyd exhibition match in Japan like 2 years ago and in the same time frame? That exhibition match alone proved that millions can flow in just one boxing match with good names involved, in this case GGG vs their very own.

What's wrong with the venue? I think Japan is a good venue for boxing as well, big fights should not only take place in US but also in Asia or in UAE because it's a world title fight and Murata is also a champion in their country, in fact they acknowledge them as their hero.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 23, 2021, 01:11:58 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on December 21, 2021, 09:46:06 PM

Unfortunately, it is what it is, and yes, no need to change the venue of the fight. The promoters have invested their money already here. And they are not going to just move the venue somewhere else because it will involved another set of money that they can't recoup.

I'm not really sure who set up this fight and why in Japan, I reckon the deal was brokered by Murata's manager that's why it will be held in their country. Nonetheless, it's a good choice because Japanese loves their boxers as they think of them as national hero's too. But as you have said, their government has really to do this measures not to allow any sporting events in their country to prevent the spread of the new Covid-19 variant so the fight should wait a bit.

I was also surprised to hear that the venue will be held in Japan, so yes, most probably Murata and his manager has something to do with it.

And remember that Japanese are willing to shell out huge money if ever an event like boxing is going to be held there. Remember the Floyd exhibition match in Japan like 2 years ago and in the same time frame? That exhibition match alone proved that millions can flow in just one boxing match with good names involved, in this case GGG vs their very own.

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Quote from: TravelMug on December 21, 2021, 09:46:06 PM

Unfortunately, it is what it is, and yes, no need to change the venue of the fight. The promoters have invested their money already here. And they are not going to just move the venue somewhere else because it will involved another set of money that they can't recoup.

I'm not really sure who set up this fight and why in Japan, I reckon the deal was brokered by Murata's manager that's why it will be held in their country. Nonetheless, it's a good choice because Japanese loves their boxers as they think of them as national hero's too. But as you have said, their government has really to do this measures not to allow any sporting events in their country to prevent the spread of the new Covid-19 variant so the fight should wait a bit.

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^^ Yep, for sure everyone didn't anticipated the new covid-19 strain and that's why they set up a fight in Japan, like this one and Ioka vs Ancajas fight.

Unfortunately, it is what it is, and yes, no need to change the venue of the fight. The promoters have invested their money already here. And they are not going to just move the venue somewhere else because it will involved another set of money that they can't recoup.

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If he is viewed as a Hero then this is a big fight in Japan and people will surely watch this big fight. I read some article that Murata is even more popular than Inoue and I didn't expect that, but with that information, I now expect that Murata will have all the pressure as he is fighting a known great fighter and a champion as well.

I didn't expect that Murata is far more famous in Japan rather than Inoue, I mean for the meantime here in forum the upcoming fights of Inoue are the most awaited fights of every bettors. However, since it is mentioned thag Murata is viewed as a hero of Japan in terms of his boxing career then this upcoming fight of him with GGG will surely one of the most awaited fight in Japan, but since due to pandemic it is rescheduled, I just do hope this fight will be push through by next year.

They have the same path in my opinion, started in Japan and then fight bigger names in the US.

The thing is that Inoue fights in lower classes and that's where maybe casual fans followed most as compare to the heavier weight classes like the Middleweight division.

Hopefully, this fight is still going to happen in early part of 2022 because this is very intriguing stylistic match up.

i have to agree that inoue's name here rings a bell as compared to murata. maybe because of his recent fights and the different discussions here in this forum alone. but if murata is big in his own country, then, they can get very good gate purse here, which is good for both. but let's see if there will be change of venue owed to the new wave of covid. japan will be very strict on this matter. we will see how things go with this omicron variant at the early part of next year.
this match may even be delayed if there will be more covid restrictions in most countries.

Fight postponement is better than a change of venue. The Japanese fans deserve to see this big fight, probably a historic fight for them especially if their hero would beat the one and only GGG. Imagine how much money they will lose if they'll change venue, and I think promoters do understands that very well as they are in the business to maximize profit of a certain fight.

A change of venue will only result to frustrations and dismay of the Japanese fans as they are indeed really rooting to see their hailed hero to fight in Saitama, Japan versus the great GGG. So they have done it the right way to just postpone the fight, and I bet that the tickets are already sold out even before the postponed news was released all over the country due to the governments restriction and closing of borders.

Almost everything is on postponement as of now which we know the common reason and if they had concluded that this one would be the venue then they would rather delay or postpone rather than on going to another venue which i do agree that fans of Murata would definitely get frustrated if they do know that they would really be trying to make change of venue. For now lets just wait on when this fight would be resumed out.
There are lots of fights had been cancelled or been postponed due to those very common reason.

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If he is viewed as a Hero then this is a big fight in Japan and people will surely watch this big fight. I read some article that Murata is even more popular than Inoue and I didn't expect that, but with that information, I now expect that Murata will have all the pressure as he is fighting a known great fighter and a champion as well.

I didn't expect that Murata is far more famous in Japan rather than Inoue, I mean for the meantime here in forum the upcoming fights of Inoue are the most awaited fights of every bettors. However, since it is mentioned thag Murata is viewed as a hero of Japan in terms of his boxing career then this upcoming fight of him with GGG will surely one of the most awaited fight in Japan, but since due to pandemic it is rescheduled, I just do hope this fight will be push through by next year.

They have the same path in my opinion, started in Japan and then fight bigger names in the US.

The thing is that Inoue fights in lower classes and that's where maybe casual fans followed most as compare to the heavier weight classes like the Middleweight division.

Hopefully, this fight is still going to happen in early part of 2022 because this is very intriguing stylistic match up.

i have to agree that inoue's name here rings a bell as compared to murata. maybe because of his recent fights and the different discussions here in this forum alone. but if murata is big in his own country, then, they can get very good gate purse here, which is good for both. but let's see if there will be change of venue owed to the new wave of covid. japan will be very strict on this matter. we will see how things go with this omicron variant at the early part of next year.
this match may even be delayed if there will be more covid restrictions in most countries.

Fight postponement is better than a change of venue. The Japanese fans deserve to see this big fight, probably a historic fight for them especially if their hero would beat the one and only GGG. Imagine how much money they will lose if they'll change venue, and I think promoters do understands that very well as they are in the business to maximize profit of a certain fight.

A change of venue will only result to frustrations and dismay of the Japanese fans as they are indeed really rooting to see their hailed hero to fight in Saitama, Japan versus the great GGG. So they have done it the right way to just postpone the fight, and I bet that the tickets are already sold out even before the postponed news was released all over the country due to the governments restriction and closing of borders.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on December 20, 2021, 04:58:16 PM

Change of venue would be considerable too if they would get even more revenue on that particular place compared on the older one but its true that this one adds up on expenses that they don't really like

Revenue is not a question. The place should take place in Japan and not elsewhere. Revenue won't be the reason for the change of venue. It will just be considered if Japan will take that sports restriction policy for long as boxers need to fight following their respective roadmap.

There should be no problem if the postponement will be around 1 month or close. More time for preparations and a bit of relaxation as no pressure for both boxers.

I believed that it will still be in Japan, probably they are just waiting for everything to calm them and once the Japanese government sorted things out, they might allow any sports to happen again in their country.

1 month postponement is reasonable to both parties in my opinion and for sure they will be given in advance if and when the fight is going to push through again.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on December 20, 2021, 04:58:16 PM

Change of venue would be considerable too if they would get even more revenue on that particular place compared on the older one but its true that this one adds up on expenses that they don't really like

Revenue is not a question. The place should take place in Japan and not elsewhere. Revenue won't be the reason for the change of venue. It will just be considered if Japan will take that sports restriction policy for long as boxers need to fight following their respective roadmap.

There should be no problem if the postponement will be around 1 month or close. More time for preparations and a bit of relaxation as no pressure for both boxers.

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