[Boxing]: GGG vs Murata - Reschedule - page 22.

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Quote from: Fatunad on January 18, 2022, 03:59:11 PM

I dont see any interest from Canelo on having Trilogy from GGG even though it is really that on demand and he could make out some good money on this one but still i dont see the probabilities.
He is still on his prime and he could able to hype up his name without fighting GGG again and would go into other track.
As for GGG then beating off Murata would be looks to easy, well its just my own opinion but this is what im seeing basing in difference with their experience alone.

I see the probability if they are the same age but they're not and they're going in a different direction in their boxing career right now. Canelo will be the biggest star by defeating every opponent from now on when he still has the chance to prove himself he is currently one of the best boxers in his era. GGG, on the other hand, is close to retiring and only needs a few fights to conclude his career and step down with pride and contentment.

Yes, and it's been pointed that age really the big factor here. While Canelo still on his prime GGG have only a few years before retiring.

Thanks @Fatunad for your opinion and maybe even Canelo won't win his upcoming fight. There are still many other challengers that will call out

for him and deal with a fight. GGG trilogy is by far, if Canelo still interested he might give it before he jumps up to another division..

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Quote from: Fatunad on January 18, 2022, 03:59:11 PM

I dont see any interest from Canelo on having Trilogy from GGG even though it is really that on demand and he could make out some good money on this one but still i dont see the probabilities.
He is still on his prime and he could able to hype up his name without fighting GGG again and would go into other track.
As for GGG then beating off Murata would be looks to easy, well its just my own opinion but this is what im seeing basing in difference with their experience alone.

Don't forget Canelo want to move his weight to Light heavyweight, not middleweight anymore... obviously this will make so much different from their previous fight. This will make GGG had lower chance to beat Canelo, so I don't think Trilogy will make different result.

Yep it's looks like GGG definitely will win in this fight, but based on his record if they've rematch for the second fight... I will go for Murata due to his hungry revenge person.

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Quote from: Fatunad on January 18, 2022, 03:59:11 PM

I dont see any interest from Canelo on having Trilogy from GGG even though it is really that on demand and he could make out some good money on this one but still i dont see the probabilities.
He is still on his prime and he could able to hype up his name without fighting GGG again and would go into other track.
As for GGG then beating off Murata would be looks to easy, well its just my own opinion but this is what im seeing basing in difference with their experience alone.

I see the probability if they are the same age but they're not and they're going in a different direction in their boxing career right now. Canelo will be the biggest star by defeating every opponent from now on when he still has the chance to prove himself he is currently one of the best boxers in his era. GGG, on the other hand, is close to retiring and only needs a few fights to conclude his career and step down with pride and contentment.

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If in case there's a chance for them the advantage still favoring Canelo, it's been mentioned that age is the big factor, Alvarez still on his prime

And if we think about the timeline for the possibility of Alvarez vs GGG III, it will take about a couple of years early since Canelo has already more lineup on his plan. GGG during that time will be on his 41st or 42nd which is now considered as too veteran fighting against the prime.

The only thing I can think about if we will say we really have to see the third bout between these two is, if Canelo will lose on all his next scheduled fights.

Maybe yes, if Canelo wants to have good exposure, he can bite this call from GGG camp and let his name be back on track.

Not sure though if that's part of his plan since he already moves up and he is really eager to create another hype with his name.

Still on his prime and he still has a lot of options. If ever he loses his upcoming fight, it's all going to depend on his camp and

those interested promoters to offer him a decent amount for the next upcoming fight. Wink

I dont see any interest from Canelo on having Trilogy from GGG even though it is really that on demand and he could make out some good money on this one but still i dont see the probabilities.
He is still on his prime and he could able to hype up his name without fighting GGG again and would go into other track.
As for GGG then beating off Murata would be looks to easy, well its just my own opinion but this is what im seeing basing in difference with their experience alone.

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If in case there's a chance for them the advantage still favoring Canelo, it's been mentioned that age is the big factor, Alvarez still on his prime

And if we think about the timeline for the possibility of Alvarez vs GGG III, it will take about a couple of years early since Canelo has already more lineup on his plan. GGG during that time will be on his 41st or 42nd which is now considered as too veteran fighting against the prime.

The only thing I can think about if we will say we really have to see the third bout between these two is, if Canelo will lose on all his next scheduled fights.

Maybe yes, if Canelo wants to have good exposure, he can bite this call from GGG camp and let his name be back on track.

Not sure though if that's part of his plan since he already moves up and he is really eager to create another hype with his name.

Still on his prime and he still has a lot of options. If ever he loses his upcoming fight, it's all going to depend on his camp and

those interested promoters to offer him a decent amount for the next upcoming fight. Wink

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Agreed boxing has been defeated many times against GGG canillo he needs more experience about the game. The fight between murata and canillo again makes both rivals real professionals, and if the aforementioned two opponents start a real fight on social networks murata and canillo behave more modestly. Become a big test it's a chance to fight GGG to get a chance to fight them but the whole career has to work hard to reach this stage.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 18, 2022, 04:41:37 AM

Don't forget that GGG will turn 40 in 3 months. How long he should fight more ? Maybe one or two years maximum. The best days of GGG are gone. To be able to compete with Canelo now, he must train for like 200% or 300% harder. If he faces Canelo now, who has gained experience fighting better opponents than GGG, their fight will end with unanimous decision in Canelo favour. They both don't need that fight. As well as they will ask so huge rewards for their third fight, that not every organization could afford that.

Well he might turn old overnight in this fight for all we know because he is on the stage wherein his prime years might be over for him. Being inactive then he has to wait till this pandemic is over before he can fight Murata. So it will really have a effect on him physical and emotional. As this point, he can't really compete with Canelo even at 160 lbs. Canelo is too good right now and it's possible that GGG can be knock out by Canelo if they ever face again.

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Don't forget that GGG will turn 40 in 3 months. How long he should fight more ? Maybe one or two years maximum. The best days of GGG are gone. To be able to compete with Canelo now, he must train for like 200% or 300% harder. If he faces Canelo now, who has gained experience fighting better opponents than GGG, their fight will end with unanimous decision in Canelo favour. They both don't need that fight. As well as they will ask so huge rewards for their third fight, that not every organization could afford that.

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If the trilogy would still be a controversial fight then the fans would still demand another fight, it will be a never-ending fight, LOL. However, if both really want to make a lot of money, they will grant the request of the fans as the fans are willing to pay for the ticket and to buy the PPV subscription, good business for them.

I'm a bit curious here, like for example, what if a trilogy will come to reality and GGG will win?
So that means their scores will be tied to 1-1, does that mean that they have to fight again to settle who will win?

Folks, what I'm trying to say here is that @freedomgo was right as this will lead to a never ending fight and I really doubt that GGG can still handle that one as he's already aging and that can be his weakness. No offense, but I think it's a bit pointless and vague demanding an almost impossible fight because Canelo and his team were clear that they aren't interested making the trilogy real.

A boxing rivalry does not have to be in threes. Canelo and GGG don't have to fight three times. A trilogy is not interesting most of the time. In the case of Canelo and GGG, a trilogy is in demand only because the rivalry wasn't resolved with their two fights. In one of their fights, Canelo won but the victory was controversial. It wasn't even unanimous. If there will be a third fight and one of them wins in a convincing way, why would there be a need for another fight?

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 17, 2022, 06:36:14 PM

Quote from: mirakal on January 17, 2022, 02:22:46 PM

We will never know until we will see them fight again. What if the case of GGG is different compared to Pacman? we know that Pacman was not 100% focus in boxing because he is also active in politics, and maybe that was the reason why he lose in his fight with Ugas, but GGG I think is only focus with boxing, and that is the difference.

I got your point. GGG doesn't have any activities that will ruin his mind during the preparations, unlike Manny Pacquiao that thinks he can handle multiple and various tasks at the same time and the result is, he is being upset by a challenger that is already out of the topic and competition until that boxer won a fight against Manny.

But since the chance of a third fight between GGG and Canelo has a low chance to happen, what we are ended up with is sharing speculations.

Those reasons are unacceptable yet you lost which is total lost and there would be no reasoning after that telling about those tasks and work involved externally.When you are still a boxer
you would really need to maintain out your body shape and being ready at all cost.

Trilogy against Canelo is impossible and it would be better if GGG would focus out on winning fights as he do gets older and retire on having a good record.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 17, 2022, 02:22:46 PM

We will never know until we will see them fight again. What if the case of GGG is different compared to Pacman? we know that Pacman was not 100% focus in boxing because he is also active in politics, and maybe that was the reason why he lose in his fight with Ugas, but GGG I think is only focus with boxing, and that is the difference.

I got your point. GGG doesn't have any activities that will ruin his mind during the preparations, unlike Manny Pacquiao that thinks he can handle multiple and various tasks at the same time and the result is, he is being upset by a challenger that is already out of the topic and competition until that boxer won a fight against Manny.

But since the chance of a third fight between GGG and Canelo has a low chance to happen, what we are ended up with is sharing speculations.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on January 17, 2022, 02:17:50 PM

If in case there's a chance for them the advantage still favoring Canelo, it's been mentioned that age is the big factor, Alvarez still on his prime

And if we think about the timeline for the possibility of Alvarez vs GGG III, it will take about a couple of years early since Canelo has already more lineup on his plan. GGG during that time will be on his 41st or 42nd which is now considered as too veteran fighting against the prime.

The only thing I can think about if we will say we really have to see the third bout between these two is, if Canelo will lose on all his next scheduled fights.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on January 17, 2022, 11:47:22 AM

I'm a bit curious here, like for example, what if a trilogy will come to reality and GGG will win?
So that means their scores will be tied to 1-1, does that mean that they have to fight again to settle who will win?

Folks, what I'm trying to say here is that @freedomgo was right as this will lead to a never ending fight and I really doubt that GGG can still handle that one as he's already aging and that can be his weakness. No offense, but I think it's a bit pointless and vague demanding an almost impossible fight because Canelo and his team were clear that they aren't interested making the trilogy real.

For now, that's the exclamation point, Canelo's team is not interested that's why they went up to another division.

If in case there's a chance for them the advantage still favoring Canelo, it's been mentioned that age is the big factor, Alvarez still on his prime

his body will be more solid while GGG even his routine remains the same, but his aging body will be his disadvantage.

Not comparing, but look what happened to Pacquiao. He knows that he can still fight and win but his body unable to hold those cramps leading him

losing to Ugas and finally retired.

We will never know until we will see them fight again. What if the case of GGG is different compared to Pacman? we know that Pacman was not 100% focus in boxing because he is also active in politics, and maybe that was the reason why he lose in his fight with Ugas, but GGG I think is only focus with boxing, and that is the difference.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on January 17, 2022, 11:47:22 AM

I'm a bit curious here, like for example, what if a trilogy will come to reality and GGG will win?
So that means their scores will be tied to 1-1, does that mean that they have to fight again to settle who will win?

Folks, what I'm trying to say here is that @freedomgo was right as this will lead to a never ending fight and I really doubt that GGG can still handle that one as he's already aging and that can be his weakness. No offense, but I think it's a bit pointless and vague demanding an almost impossible fight because Canelo and his team were clear that they aren't interested making the trilogy real.

For now, that's the exclamation point, Canelo's team is not interested that's why they went up to another division.

If in case there's a chance for them the advantage still favoring Canelo, it's been mentioned that age is the big factor, Alvarez still on his prime

his body will be more solid while GGG even his routine remains the same, but his aging body will be his disadvantage.

Not comparing, but look what happened to Pacquiao. He knows that he can still fight and win but his body unable to hold those cramps leading him

losing to Ugas and finally retired.

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But Canelo's avoidance of a third fight with GGG will always be an interesting note in his otherwise outstanding career. Just as we do today, history will probably also question the real reason why he didn't allow a great third match with GGG to happen. All kinds of speculation would be put forward. But it will only raise more curiosity. It will never answer the boxing fans' deep question.

I disagree with that. Avoidance like Canelo was defeated lol. Canelo already sealed that fight. The public won't take that as an issue since Canelo is working on his way now to beat the top fighters on the next stage. GGG is already not on that top fighters list so why still insist that a trilogy is needed?

It's even good to see Canelo facing Charlo compared to GGG. There are others fighters too that Canelo needs to settle in. Those fights are much exciting and thrilling compare to the trilogy with an old GGG.

Is anybody saying there is a need for a trilogy? I didn't say a trilogy is needed. But I know there is a very strong demand, or at least there was, of a trilogy.

As I've said, both of their previous two fights are highly controversial. The first one was a split draw but both camps claimed their fighters won the fight. The second one was equally controversial with a majority decision in favor of Canelo. But the GGG camp and many boxing fans believed GGG won the fight.

I cannot remember whether it was the first or second fight that I tried to score, but there was one fight which I remembered I gave the win to GGG. I am a fan of both fighters.

The only way to settle controversies is to have a third fight. But that's pointless now.

If the trilogy would still be a controversial fight then the fans would still demand another fight, it will be a never-ending fight, LOL. However, if both really want to make a lot of money, they will grant the request of the fans as the fans are willing to pay for the ticket and to buy the PPV subscription, good business for them.

I'm a bit curious here, like for example, what if a trilogy will come to reality and GGG will win?
So that means their scores will be tied to 1-1, does that mean that they have to fight again to settle who will win?

Folks, what I'm trying to say here is that @freedomgo was right as this will lead to a never ending fight and I really doubt that GGG can still handle that one as he's already aging and that can be his weakness. No offense, but I think it's a bit pointless and vague demanding an almost impossible fight because Canelo and his team were clear that they aren't interested making the trilogy real.

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But Canelo's avoidance of a third fight with GGG will always be an interesting note in his otherwise outstanding career. Just as we do today, history will probably also question the real reason why he didn't allow a great third match with GGG to happen. All kinds of speculation would be put forward. But it will only raise more curiosity. It will never answer the boxing fans' deep question.

I disagree with that. Avoidance like Canelo was defeated lol. Canelo already sealed that fight. The public won't take that as an issue since Canelo is working on his way now to beat the top fighters on the next stage. GGG is already not on that top fighters list so why still insist that a trilogy is needed?

It's even good to see Canelo facing Charlo compared to GGG. There are others fighters too that Canelo needs to settle in. Those fights are much exciting and thrilling compare to the trilogy with an old GGG.

Is anybody saying there is a need for a trilogy? I didn't say a trilogy is needed. But I know there is a very strong demand, or at least there was, of a trilogy.

As I've said, both of their previous two fights are highly controversial. The first one was a split draw but both camps claimed their fighters won the fight. The second one was equally controversial with a majority decision in favor of Canelo. But the GGG camp and many boxing fans believed GGG won the fight.

I cannot remember whether it was the first or second fight that I tried to score, but there was one fight which I remembered I gave the win to GGG. I am a fan of both fighters.

The only way to settle controversies is to have a third fight. But that's pointless now.

If the trilogy would still be a controversial fight then the fans would still demand another fight, it will be a never-ending fight, LOL. However, if both really want to make a lot of money, they will grant the request of the fans as the fans are willing to pay for the ticket and to buy the PPV subscription, good business for them.

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Quote from: chaser15 on January 15, 2022, 05:39:48 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 14, 2022, 09:18:25 PM

But Canelo's avoidance of a third fight with GGG will always be an interesting note in his otherwise outstanding career. Just as we do today, history will probably also question the real reason why he didn't allow a great third match with GGG to happen. All kinds of speculation would be put forward. But it will only raise more curiosity. It will never answer the boxing fans' deep question.

I disagree with that. Avoidance like Canelo was defeated lol. Canelo already sealed that fight. The public won't take that as an issue since Canelo is working on his way now to beat the top fighters on the next stage. GGG is already not on that top fighters list so why still insist that a trilogy is needed?

It's even good to see Canelo facing Charlo compared to GGG. There are others fighters too that Canelo needs to settle in. Those fights are much exciting and thrilling compare to the trilogy with an old GGG.

Is anybody saying there is a need for a trilogy? I didn't say a trilogy is needed. But I know there is a very strong demand, or at least there was, of a trilogy.

As I've said, both of their previous two fights are highly controversial. The first one was a split draw but both camps claimed their fighters won the fight. The second one was equally controversial with a majority decision in favor of Canelo. But the GGG camp and many boxing fans believed GGG won the fight.

I cannot remember whether it was the first or second fight that I tried to score, but there was one fight which I remembered I gave the win to GGG. I am a fan of both fighters.

The only way to settle controversies is to have a third fight. But that's pointless now.

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Quote from: Dave1 on January 16, 2022, 12:46:34 AM

Yes, the pandemic really affected us for too long now, when we thought that we are now at least trying to go back to normal, here comes a new variant of the virus causing another disruption like this fight that we should have witnessed already by this time.

And GGG is not getting any younger and hard to imagine him not getting the fights he wanted before retiring. Not Canelo per se, but other champions in the division like the young Charlo.

It's getting better before this new variant. Now he needs to wait as this fight got cancelled till further notice.

You said it right, GGG is not getting any younger if possible. He still wants to fight known
fighter from this division before getting his way out of the ring.

Murata is a good passage way to bring his name up. If he can knock him down, he might bring noise to his name
and receive good title offer. We never know though..

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I don't know, but it seems that Canelo has close the door already, he will be going up in weight as CW and that is too much for GGG right now who campaigns at 160 lbs. So I already forget about that idea of another fight between the two.

And as you have said, GGG is already 40 and we don't know how many fight is left in him. Maybe against Murata this year and another one perhaps before the end of the year.

I agree, the door for a possible trilogy against Canelo is complete closed and it is never going to happen with Canelo moving to the CW division, also many people saw GGG win at least one of those fights so I doubt that Canelo is going to want to fight against GGG despite his age.

And talking about his age, what is happening with the pandemic is something terrible for people like GGG, which are at the end of their careers and saw their careers interrupted with no opportunity to get all the time they lost back.

It's hard to imagine that the pandemic has been staying for too long, though it interrupts the sporting industry I'm still hoping soon our life will be back to normal and we will see GGG retiring after a good fight. Though it's unlikely to happen a GGG vs Canelo trilogy, we will still remain hopeful because it was one of the greatest matches up we saw in boxing history, two great warriors sparring in the ring like they are not afraid of each other.

Yes, the pandemic really affected us for too long now, when we thought that we are now at least trying to go back to normal, here comes a new variant of the virus causing another disruption like this fight that we should have witnessed already by this time.

And GGG is not getting any younger and hard to imagine him not getting the fights he wanted before retiring. Not Canelo per se, but other champions in the division like the young Charlo.

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I don't know, but it seems that Canelo has close the door already, he will be going up in weight as CW and that is too much for GGG right now who campaigns at 160 lbs. So I already forget about that idea of another fight between the two.

And as you have said, GGG is already 40 and we don't know how many fight is left in him. Maybe against Murata this year and another one perhaps before the end of the year.

I agree, the door for a possible trilogy against Canelo is complete closed and it is never going to happen with Canelo moving to the CW division, also many people saw GGG win at least one of those fights so I doubt that Canelo is going to want to fight against GGG despite his age.

And talking about his age, what is happening with the pandemic is something terrible for people like GGG, which are at the end of their careers and saw their careers interrupted with no opportunity to get all the time they lost back.

It's hard to imagine that the pandemic has been staying for too long, though it interrupts the sporting industry I'm still hoping soon our life will be back to normal and we will see GGG retiring after a good fight. Though it's unlikely to happen a GGG vs Canelo trilogy, we will still remain hopeful because it was one of the greatest matches up we saw in boxing history, two great warriors sparring in the ring like they are not afraid of each other.

Im not expect that much for this pandemic situation would be over yet lots of variants do come out from one to another which this would really be might an endless if there would be no cure would be created.

Lots of industries had been mainly affected and delaying up these events and schedules which do really sucks speaking of Canelo vs GGG trilogy then we shouldn't
really anticipate or hope that much for it to happen.

Murata might be a champion but I don't believe that he could beat out GGG on this current state of his.

The pandemic is really the big hindrance for the big fights to be realized, maybe GGG would retire without having a trilogy fight with Canelo, but that's alright though, at least we will see him have more fights and continue winning. Murata on the other hand is younger than GGG but is not a young fighter as he is already 36 years old, so you are right, at this state he cannot beat GGG.

It's 41 fights vs 16 fights. I'll go with the more experienced boxer.

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