[Boxing]: Jessie Vargas vs Mikey Garcia - page 5.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on January 03, 2020, 12:11:36 PM

Overall, Vargas has a great advantage against his opponent Garcia, IMO

^ No, you are wrong. Mikey Garcia has an advantage here compared to Vargas. In all aspects that we compare, it seems Garcia's is the best among these two fighters and I will go and place my bet with Garcia. I show a comparison of these two fighters below and you can analyze who is the best fighters and probably win this match.

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Quote from: Ahimoth on January 03, 2020, 11:52:53 AM

Quote from: robelneo on January 02, 2020, 11:02:14 PM

Please edit the title we have no boxer named Garica it should be Garcia, this is the second crack of Garcia in that weight category but he is putting too much on what he can, he is not Pacquiao with good speed and hard punch, he is a technically a good boxer, but with a very experienced Vargas, I don't think he has a chance of beating him, he will overwhelm by Vargas on this fight.

Garica or Garcia, I think the op will change that sooner as he notice this thread with most comments on spelling. Now, let's discuss about Garcia's capabilities in comparison to Vargas, and just like what happened with pacman during his fights with so many top boxers. He was prejudiced with several analyst that he won't able to make it, but fortunately it was a reversal scenario Manny Pacquiao did it to winning by knock out.
Same with Garcia and Vargas fight, we don't know yet what's the future game so let's see what they've got in the middle of their fight on the ring.

Its been mentioned on earlier post so its no need for you to speak it up once again about spelling errors and it is understandable that this was just a typo.

For those people who said that Vargas doesnt have a chance then i cant still conclude even though he isnt really that even when it comes to statistics but come to think that this is already on
different weight class which i do see that he do have the advantage.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 03, 2020, 05:35:32 AM

Vargas could only score a majority decision draw over the likes of Thomas Dulorme and Adrien Broner—two distinctly B+ class fighters. There's no way he's going to be able to handle Mikey Garcia, a guy who only lost once to the much bigger Errol Spence Jr by UD.

Let's be realistic here, Vargas is going to get whomped. I don't care if he's 5 inches taller, that's not going to matter much when Mikey is breaking down his body.

With that said, I'm not expecting a knockout. Vargas has been in there with some big punchers in the past and has stayed standing. Mikey isn't the hugest puncher, but he can definitely bang.

I predict this will go to UD in favor of Mikey, with around a 25% chance for a late knockout.

That's a good prediction, some are predicting Vargas others, Garcia, both fighters are capable to beat any fighter, I go for Garcia here reminds me of Mosley small but a very technical fighter with speed and has a good counter, this has the making of a good fight and I don't think it will be lopsided just like what we've seen in some of the past fights.

As you can see, from Mikey Garcia's record, it is a big factor to look on because of the number of fights he won. That's an strong evidence that he can beat anyone who he fought. Vargas is not enough to beat a 4 times champion. I also watched some fights of Garcia and his opponent really suffer from strong punches after the game. The height is also a factor, although Vargas is taller, Garcia is shorter, we all know that the smaller the quicker.

Overall, Vargas has a great advantage against his opponent Garcia, IMO. I will go with Vargas no matter what happened not just because he is a good fighter also he has the strength to defend his belt. But this fight is unpredictable and there is a high chance also Vargas were defeat by Garcia.

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Quote from: Ahimoth on January 03, 2020, 11:52:53 AM

Quote from: robelneo on January 02, 2020, 11:02:14 PM

Please edit the title we have no boxer named Garica it should be Garcia, this is the second crack of Garcia in that weight category but he is putting too much on what he can, he is not Pacquiao with good speed and hard punch, he is a technically a good boxer, but with a very experienced Vargas, I don't think he has a chance of beating him, he will overwhelm by Vargas on this fight.

Garica or Garcia, I think the op will change that sooner as he notice this thread with most comments on spelling. Now, let's discuss about Garcia's capabilities in comparison to Vargas, and just like what happened with pacman during his fights with so many top boxers. He was prejudiced with several analyst that he won't able to make it, but fortunately it was a reversal scenario Manny Pacquiao did it to winning by knock out.
Same with Garcia and Vargas fight, we don't know yet what's the future game so let's see what they've got in the middle of their fight on the ring.

It's good to see another fellow kababayan will have a good exposure fighting a much well known boxer, experienced wise Vargas have that edge
while with aggressiveness to prove something Garcia might bring something good within this fight, not bad to spare small money to show support
to this fighter and hopefully he will bring good outcome.

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Quote from: robelneo on January 02, 2020, 11:02:14 PM

Please edit the title we have no boxer named Garica it should be Garcia, this is the second crack of Garcia in that weight category but he is putting too much on what he can, he is not Pacquiao with good speed and hard punch, he is a technically a good boxer, but with a very experienced Vargas, I don't think he has a chance of beating him, he will overwhelm by Vargas on this fight.

Garica or Garcia, I think the op will change that sooner as he notice this thread with most comments on spelling. Now, let's discuss about Garcia's capabilities in comparison to Vargas, and just like what happened with pacman during his fights with so many top boxers. He was prejudiced with several analyst that he won't able to make it, but fortunately it was a reversal scenario Manny Pacquiao did it to winning by knock out.
Same with Garcia and Vargas fight, we don't know yet what's the future game so let's see what they've got in the middle of their fight on the ring.

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Quote from: aioc on January 03, 2020, 10:39:20 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on January 03, 2020, 05:35:32 AM

Vargas could only score a majority decision draw over the likes of Thomas Dulorme and Adrien Broner—two distinctly B+ class fighters. There's no way he's going to be able to handle Mikey Garcia, a guy who only lost once to the much bigger Errol Spence Jr by UD.

Let's be realistic here, Vargas is going to get whomped. I don't care if he's 5 inches taller, that's not going to matter much when Mikey is breaking down his body.

With that said, I'm not expecting a knockout. Vargas has been in there with some big punchers in the past and has stayed standing. Mikey isn't the hugest puncher, but he can definitely bang.

I predict this will go to UD in favor of Mikey, with around a 25% chance for a late knockout.

That's a good prediction, some are predicting Vargas others, Garcia, both fighters are capable to beat any fighter, I go for Garcia here reminds me of Mosley small but a very technical fighter with speed and has a good counter, this has the making of a good fight and I don't think it will be lopsided just like what we've seen in some of the past fights.

As you can see, from Mikey Garcia's record, it is a big factor to look on because of the number of fights he won. That's an strong evidence that he can beat anyone who he fought. Vargas is not enough to beat a 4 times champion. I also watched some fights of Garcia and his opponent really suffer from strong punches after the game. The height is also a factor, although Vargas is taller, Garcia is shorter, we all know that the smaller the quicker.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 03, 2020, 05:35:32 AM

Vargas could only score a majority decision draw over the likes of Thomas Dulorme and Adrien Broner—two distinctly B+ class fighters. There's no way he's going to be able to handle Mikey Garcia, a guy who only lost once to the much bigger Errol Spence Jr by UD.

Let's be realistic here, Vargas is going to get whomped. I don't care if he's 5 inches taller, that's not going to matter much when Mikey is breaking down his body.

With that said, I'm not expecting a knockout. Vargas has been in there with some big punchers in the past and has stayed standing. Mikey isn't the hugest puncher, but he can definitely bang.

I predict this will go to UD in favor of Mikey, with around a 25% chance for a late knockout.

That's a good prediction, some are predicting Vargas others, Garcia, both fighters are capable to beat any fighter, I go for Garcia here reminds me of Mosley small but a very technical fighter with speed and has a good counter, this has the making of a good fight and I don't think it will be lopsided just like what we've seen in some of the past fights.

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Quote from: Natalim on January 03, 2020, 07:00:16 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on January 03, 2020, 05:35:32 AM

I predict this will go to UD in favor of Mikey, with around a 25% chance for a late knockout.

Yes, it could be the outcome, but a knockout is also possible as Garcia has a good knockout rate, of the 40 fights, he had 30 wins via KO so that is 75% knockout power while his opponent is not really a knockout artist so we can't expect from this guy,.Garcia has to come back and prove that he is back again even though he lose his fight against Errol Spence Jr.

Those knockouts happened below the welter weight division. Vargas can take a punch and he proved that when he fought Manny which a hard puncher than Garcia. High probability that this fight would go the distance.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 03, 2020, 05:35:32 AM

I predict this will go to UD in favor of Mikey, with around a 25% chance for a late knockout.

Yes, it could be the outcome, but a knockout is also possible as Garcia has a good knockout rate, of the 40 fights, he had 30 wins via KO so that is 75% knockout power while his opponent is not really a knockout artist so we can't expect from this guy,.Garcia has to come back and prove that he is back again even though he lose his fight against Errol Spence Jr.

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Vargas could only score a majority decision draw over the likes of Thomas Dulorme and Adrien Broner—two distinctly B+ class fighters. There's no way he's going to be able to handle Mikey Garcia, a guy who only lost once to the much bigger Errol Spence Jr by UD.

Let's be realistic here, Vargas is going to get whomped. I don't care if he's 5 inches taller, that's not going to matter much when Mikey is breaking down his body.

With that said, I'm not expecting a knockout. Vargas has been in there with some big punchers in the past and has stayed standing. Mikey isn't the hugest puncher, but he can definitely bang.

I predict this will go to UD in favor of Mikey, with around a 25% chance for a late knockout.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 03, 2020, 03:28:10 AM

When I bet on these events I only play few money on the underdog because in the end these are only two human beings and we don’t know what they really do with their life after training.The fight is won by the one who has more discipline and conduct a healthier life.Maybe the stronger guy takes it easily and thinks he will have an easy win and then a surprise can happen.

Nice reasoning, besides there is no guarantee that the favorites will win and Vargas is also strong so he can fight toe to toe with Garcia, if he is lucky, he might hit Garcia that would knock him down.

that 1/5 odds for garcia is no worth, good with the dog and hope for an upset.

I am just waiting for the odds really and I'll see what I can shop in their

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So this mean that Mikey Garcia is out for the contention of fighting Manny at least for now and the rumor might be true that the Pacman will be fighting Roberto "The Ghost" Guererro this May.

Though Vargas is the bigger fighter here but i would favor Garcia in this fight for his speed. Experience wise, Vargas has the edge, having fought Manny and Bradley is a feather on his cap though he was on the wrong end. Vargas lack the speed which for me is the vital factor for winning a fight.

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When I bet on these events I only play few money on the underdog because in the end these are only two human beings and we don’t know what they really do with their life after training.The fight is won by the one who has more discipline and conduct a healthier life.Maybe the stronger guy takes it easily and thinks he will have an easy win and then a surprise can happen.

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Quote from: Rosilito on January 03, 2020, 12:20:11 AM

You're a bit harsh to Garcia, you somehow underestimating him. Although Vargas already fought HOF Manny Pacquiao that doesn't mean he already got the capacity of winning over Garcia, Mikey Garcia got a 33 % career knockout ratio, holding a record of (39-1, 30 KOs), man his punch power were explosive. While Vargas holds a record of (29-2-2, 11 KOs), fair enough for a professional. They aren't far enough but I don't think this fight would be easy to Vargas, as he got a formidable opponent there. I'd like to bet on Garcia, still looking forward to his career.

The betting odds says about a real chance for this fight, fans could be bias sometimes because they are depending their favorite boxer but the fact that Garcia is the heavy favorites here, it means Vargas has a little chance of winning in this fight.

I don't understand the odd makers making Garcia the favorite. He last lost a fight against Errol Spence Jr, the first time he had ventured into this shark infested division. And he didn't fair very well as he was outclass by Spence. Vargas is no Spence, but he has the tools to beat Garcia here, quick hands, solid chin and obviously the bigger and natural welterweight, who has been campaigning in this division for many years and even fought the best (Pacquiao).

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Quote from: Rosilito on January 03, 2020, 12:20:11 AM

You're a bit harsh to Garcia, you somehow underestimating him. Although Vargas already fought HOF Manny Pacquiao that doesn't mean he already got the capacity of winning over Garcia, Mikey Garcia got a 33 % career knockout ratio, holding a record of (39-1, 30 KOs), man his punch power were explosive. While Vargas holds a record of (29-2-2, 11 KOs), fair enough for a professional. They aren't far enough but I don't think this fight would be easy to Vargas, as he got a formidable opponent there. I'd like to bet on Garcia, still looking forward to his career.

i think it is not being harsh mate,since he is just stating the fact regarding both fighters capacity even that i don't really believe totally about the capacity of vargas as well.

i have seen Vargas in his very difficult fight when he defended his belt way back against the powerful fighter Manny pacquiao and he lose.

but in this bout?i think being a more stable in this division?Vargas has the advantage on this one,even Garcia is a knock out puncher.so lets wait and see what will happen next Month and also get ready for the bets.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on January 02, 2020, 11:40:08 PM

My money would surely be with Mikey Garcia on here.When we do talk about Experience and KO percentage then its clear who do have the edge but doesnt mean that Vargas wont have a chance but this
wont really be an easy fight specially for a heavy puncher Garcia.Same as said above where the dog do have some good odds but i wont still risk up.

You need to consider this: Garcia is not a natural welterweight, he is not proven on 147 lbs. Most of his knock-outs are in in the lower weights. So you need to be careful here.

While Vargas is a big an natural 147 lbs - 154 lbs. He might not have a knock out punch but he is a decent fighter in that division. He held a belt once, WBO, which Pacquiao took from him in their 2016 fight.

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Quote from: Rosilito on January 03, 2020, 12:20:11 AM

You're a bit harsh to Garcia, you somehow underestimating him. Although Vargas already fought HOF Manny Pacquiao that doesn't mean he already got the capacity of winning over Garcia, Mikey Garcia got a 33 % career knockout ratio, holding a record of (39-1, 30 KOs), man his punch power were explosive. While Vargas holds a record of (29-2-2, 11 KOs), fair enough for a professional. They aren't far enough but I don't think this fight would be easy to Vargas, as he got a formidable opponent there. I'd like to bet on Garcia, still looking forward to his career.

The betting odds says about a real chance for this fight, fans could be bias sometimes because they are depending their favorite boxer but the fact that Garcia is the heavy favorites here, it means Vargas has a little chance of winning in this fight.

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You're a bit harsh to Garcia, you somehow underestimating him. Although Vargas already fought HOF Manny Pacquiao that doesn't mean he already got the capacity of winning over Garcia, Mikey Garcia got a 33 % career knockout ratio, holding a record of (39-1, 30 KOs), man his punch power were explosive. While Vargas holds a record of (29-2-2, 11 KOs), fair enough for a professional. They aren't far enough but I don't think this fight would be easy to Vargas, as he got a formidable opponent there. I'd like to bet on Garcia, still looking forward to his career.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on January 02, 2020, 11:40:08 PM

My money would surely be with Mikey Garcia on here.When we do talk about Experience and KO percentage then its clear who do have the edge but doesnt mean that Vargas wont have a chance but this
wont really be an easy fight specially for a heavy puncher Garcia.Same as said above where the dog do have some good odds but i wont still risk up.

actually for me?it wasnt always the capacity to knock down your opponent but the stamina that sometimes dictates the winner.

we have seen many fights that a knock out puncher losses the game because his opponent can stand strong the whole fight so in the end?it is the scores that matters and not their strong punches.so in this fight?i hold no winner but it is close one,also i am not a fan of both fighhter so i am gonna pass on this fight for betting.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on January 02, 2020, 11:40:08 PM

My money would surely be with Mikey Garcia on here.When we do talk about Experience and KO percentage then its clear who do have the edge but doesnt mean that Vargas wont have a chance but this
wont really be an easy fight specially for a heavy puncher Garcia.Same as said above where the dog do have some good odds but i wont still risk up.

You will only get 20% if you bet on him, maybe a KO win by him would give a better odds.
Based on the odds posted above, garcia is 1/5 to win this fight.

Update us some betting odds in here if anyone finds a site that offer the kind of betting odds.
For now, it's not up yet.

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