(Boxing) Kazuto Ioka vs Joshua Boxing Match Begins 31 December 2022

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Quote from: Distinctin on January 02, 2023, 09:07:19 AM

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Stats don't lie, and if Ioka delivered more jabs and punches that connected compared to Franco, then the Japanese deserves the win. I guess this could have been handled better by the judges and the organizers. Then again, if they responded to the accusations, they will just fan the flame even more.

Fans do remember the later rounds, I guess Franco did better in the later rounds. Enough for this accusation, it will take nowhere, instead, they should start negotiating for a rematch, that way they'll be able to satisfy the fans and eliminate their doubts about the transparency of the result. Also, that stats alone cannot be a big basis on how the judges should score the fight, they have their criteria, so it's their decision that will be followed.

I think Joshua is very clear about it, he is thinking about unification, it is his only objective, everything was not very clear to some, a better verdict can be expected and especially from the fans themselves, in my case Joshua has a lot to prove and that is what it will do, I think that it has already begun to move all its chips, and it will create more of the things that can give it more respect and above all recognition, the suspicions regarding them are many, I have a personal opinion and here in The forum also gives opinions, but I think that they all pursue the same objective, the great revenge that is undoubtedly what will give the spicy touch that we are looking for.

Ioka-Franco Aftermath: Franco Aims For Estrada Unification, While WBO Expected To Order Ioka-Nakatani

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Joshua Franco still has the same target in mind for his next fight even with one less belt at stake.

A title unification with lineal/WBC junior bantamweight champion Juan Francisco Estrada is still the priority for San Antonio’s Franco. The goal has not changed even after the reigning WBA titlist was forced to settle for a twelve-round, majority draw versus WBO champ Kazuto Ioka in their New Year’s Eve clash in Tokyo, Japan.

Judge Stanley Christodoulou (115-113) had Franco winning the year-ending unification clash but was overruled by ringside officials Ferlin Marsh (114-114) and Jose Roberto Torres (114-114) who both scored it dead even. The hope was for a two-belt titlist to emerge from the contest and next face Mexico’s Estrada (44-3, 28KOs), who was ringside for the event and equally keen on further unifying the division

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/ioka-franco-aftermath-franco-aims-estrada-unification-wbo-expected-order-ioka-nakatani--171544

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Quote from: Distinctin on January 02, 2023, 09:07:19 AM

Fans do remember the later rounds, I guess Franco did better in the later rounds. Enough for this accusation, it will take nowhere, instead, they should start negotiating for a rematch, that way they'll be able to satisfy the fans and eliminate their doubts about the transparency of the result. Also, that stats alone cannot be a big basis on how the judges should score the fight, they have their criteria, so it's their decision that will be followed.

It should be settled for another fight because this one is close and I'm sure that they will gonna work hard to prove to everyone who really wins the first fight. Just other fights from the past, most likely they settled it after the 2nd time they fought in the ring. This sometimes happens in boxing especially when the two boxers took their opponent's punches lightly.

But they deserve to fight once more this year or else their rivalry will extend until they are no longer in their primes.

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Quote from: Distinctin on January 02, 2023, 09:07:19 AM

Fans do remember the later rounds, I guess Franco did better in the later rounds. Enough for this accusation, it will take nowhere, instead, they should start negotiating for a rematch, that way they'll be able to satisfy the fans and eliminate their doubts about the transparency of the result. Also, that stats alone cannot be a big basis on how the judges should score the fight, they have their criteria, so it's their decision that will be followed.

I think matches that ended in draw, mostly there's will be a rematch to prove which one is better. But in the first fight, Joshua should win to be honest, even though a rematch would happen, still Joshua's side isn't get any advantage and it would be possible if Ioka will win the rematch. So, all thing that Joshua already put in the first match was useless. I just hope if Joshua can win via knock out, so there's no excuse and biased scorecard from the judges.

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Quote from: dothebeats on January 02, 2023, 08:31:08 AM

Stats don't lie, and if Ioka delivered more jabs and punches that connected compared to Franco, then the Japanese deserves the win. I guess this could have been handled better by the judges and the organizers. Then again, if they responded to the accusations, they will just fan the flame even more.

Fans do remember the later rounds, I guess Franco did better in the later rounds. Enough for this accusation, it will take nowhere, instead, they should start negotiating for a rematch, that way they'll be able to satisfy the fans and eliminate their doubts about the transparency of the result. Also, that stats alone cannot be a big basis on how the judges should score the fight, they have their criteria, so it's their decision that will be followed.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on January 02, 2023, 08:18:52 AM

I haven't seen the fight nor did I do a review on the full replay yet. But I did read and heard from a lot of people on social media that Franco deserved the win. Today I reviewed the punch stats and I am surprised that Ioka seems to have edged Franco. Based on the unbiased per-round punch stats, I have it 115-113 or 7 to 5 in favor of Ioka. Although there are times that jabs can be as good or even better than power punches, I just considered that generally, power punches weigh more than jabs. So I gave Franco rounds 4, 6, 7, 11, and 12 for a total of 5 rounds only. I agree that a rematch should happen or if not, let them face the other champions and stars in their division like Chocolatito, Estrada, and Bam.

I just watched the replay and I must say that Ioka scored good points, but Franco just got around the ring better and delivered some power punches, and some that might be seen as a power punch from some perspectives but those didn't land. I guess the public's emotion is high and really tensioned which caused the opinion that the judging is biased for Ioka (although there have been a lot of professional opinion about this for a while now too).

Stats don't lie, and if Ioka delivered more jabs and punches that connected compared to Franco, then the Japanese deserves the win. I guess this could have been handled better by the judges and the organizers. Then again, if they responded to the accusations, they will just fan the flame even more.

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I haven't seen the fight nor did I do a review on the full replay yet. But I did read and heard from a lot of people on social media that Franco deserved the win. Today I reviewed the punch stats and I am surprised that Ioka seems to have edged Franco. Based on the unbiased per-round punch stats, I have it 115-113 or 7 to 5 in favor of Ioka. Although there are times that jabs can be as good or even better than power punches, I just considered that generally, power punches weigh more than jabs. So I gave Franco rounds 4, 6, 7, 11, and 12 for a total of 5 rounds only. I agree that a rematch should happen or if not, let them face the other champions and stars in their division like Chocolatito, Estrada, and Bam.

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Quote from: Botnake on January 02, 2023, 07:23:02 AM

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if they will have a rematch, should not be in Japan as you said, should be in the neutral ground. seems that there was bit of a bias regarding the results. though the judges were from south africa, new zealand and puerto rico. franco may have won if it was not in japan. maybe.
if they will schedule a rematch, much better if it will be this year or next year. a KO would surely give a clear winner next time around.

True, that is to prevent from what happened in this fight, a rematch is necessary because the fans are not convinced with the judges decision, Franco should have won the fight, and instead of complaining about the result, maybe a rematch is the best thing to do to determine the real winner.

Yes, I do agree, it shouldn't be in Japan wherein Ioka is very much comfortable or at least we don't want to see another biased scoring from the judges. Might better if this is held in the US and so it will be the other way around and we will see if Ioka is that good even fighting in a place wherein he is not comfortable. Franco is the victim here so hopefully he will be the one to choose the venue and hopefully this will be in US. The best thing to do to really determine who is the winner of this fight is to have a rematch and for sure this 2 fighters want that to happen.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on January 01, 2023, 06:23:06 PM

if they will have a rematch, should not be in Japan as you said, should be in the neutral ground. seems that there was bit of a bias regarding the results. though the judges were from south africa, new zealand and puerto rico. franco may have won if it was not in japan. maybe.
if they will schedule a rematch, much better if it will be this year or next year. a KO would surely give a clear winner next time around.

True, that is to prevent from what happened in this fight, a rematch is necessary because the fans are not convinced with the judges decision, Franco should have won the fight, and instead of complaining about the result, maybe a rematch is the best thing to do to determine the real winner.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on January 01, 2023, 06:20:03 PM

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I look at the compubox numbers and it seems that it is also close, Franco throws a lot of punch, but Ioka is more consistent.

Nevertheless, since this is Japan so expect some biases judge in favor of the hometown hero. I know it's kinda disappointed to see a fight end in a draw with no winner and both keeping the belts, but the judge score is final here and will not be reverse in my opinion. Good fight though to end the year and most likely there could be a rematch so settle once and for all the winner between this two warriors.

Fans are not happy, you can read in the comments on social media that they are disappointed with the result, Franco should have won the fight but they didn't give it to him. His mistake is that he was not able to knock him out, there should be no controversy if that happened.

As they say, it's a home court advantage, so as a visitor, he needs to be extremely good to win a match.

In boxing hometown decisions always have an impact, especially in championship bouts where the match is too close, the two judges who scored the fight a draw could have given the match to Ioka if the match is too close to call and could go either way but it's not, I think Franco won 1 or two rounds but to please their host they marked it a draw and so both fighters will keep their respective title, but it's obvious from the perspective of the audience that the fight should have gone to Franco, it's better for them to have a rematch in a neutral ground so they can unite the title if Franco file a protest there's a possibility of an immediate rematch.

if they will have a rematch, should not be in Japan as you said, should be in the neutral ground. seems that there was bit of a bias regarding the results. though the judges were from south africa, new zealand and puerto rico. franco may have won if it was not in japan. maybe.
if they will schedule a rematch, much better if it will be this year or next year. a KO would surely give a clear winner next time around.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 01, 2023, 08:54:50 AM

Quote from: Jating on January 01, 2023, 07:01:00 AM

I look at the compubox numbers and it seems that it is also close, Franco throws a lot of punch, but Ioka is more consistent.

Nevertheless, since this is Japan so expect some biases judge in favor of the hometown hero. I know it's kinda disappointed to see a fight end in a draw with no winner and both keeping the belts, but the judge score is final here and will not be reverse in my opinion. Good fight though to end the year and most likely there could be a rematch so settle once and for all the winner between this two warriors.

Fans are not happy, you can read in the comments on social media that they are disappointed with the result, Franco should have won the fight but they didn't give it to him. His mistake is that he was not able to knock him out, there should be no controversy if that happened.

As they say, it's a home court advantage, so as a visitor, he needs to be extremely good to win a match.

In boxing hometown decisions always have an impact, especially in championship bouts where the match is too close, the two judges who scored the fight a draw could have given the match to Ioka if the match is too close to call and could go either way but it's not, I think Franco won 1 or two rounds but to please their host they marked it a draw and so both fighters will keep their respective title, but it's obvious from the perspective of the audience that the fight should have gone to Franco, it's better for them to have a rematch in a neutral ground so they can unite the title if Franco file a protest there's a possibility of an immediate rematch.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 01, 2023, 08:54:50 AM

Quote from: Jating on January 01, 2023, 07:01:00 AM

I look at the compubox numbers and it seems that it is also close, Franco throws a lot of punch, but Ioka is more consistent.

Nevertheless, since this is Japan so expect some biases judge in favor of the hometown hero. I know it's kinda disappointed to see a fight end in a draw with no winner and both keeping the belts, but the judge score is final here and will not be reverse in my opinion. Good fight though to end the year and most likely there could be a rematch so settle once and for all the winner between this two warriors.

Fans are not happy, you can read in the comments on social media that they are disappointed with the result, Franco should have won the fight but they didn't give it to him. His mistake is that he was not able to knock him out, there should be no controversy if that happened.

As they say, it's a home court advantage, so as a visitor, he needs to be extremely good to win a match.

Yeah, that's why as I said, if you are going to travel and fight on a hostile environment, be sure to knock your opponent out to not give the chance to lose on a the judges hand. And this really what happen to Franco here, numbers don't lie, but the judges didn't see this going the fight, or maybe they see that the local Kazuto Ioka is losing the fight so the best thing they can do is to make the score very close and make it a draw so that there will be no uproar in the social media. But it was the opposite since the fans saw the fight, the same fight that the judges saw and yet the score is very much different and controversial. And we felt sorry for Franco because we did everything he can in this fight, but unfortunately since he is the visitor, there's no way that the judges are going to award him the win. Two controversial fights in Asia as we close the show for boxing in 2022, one in Casimero vs Akaho which fortunately, was overturn, and this one. But I doubt that there will be changes in the record, a rematch should happen next but it should be in the US.

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Quote from: Jating on January 01, 2023, 07:01:00 AM

I look at the compubox numbers and it seems that it is also close, Franco throws a lot of punch, but Ioka is more consistent.

Nevertheless, since this is Japan so expect some biases judge in favor of the hometown hero. I know it's kinda disappointed to see a fight end in a draw with no winner and both keeping the belts, but the judge score is final here and will not be reverse in my opinion. Good fight though to end the year and most likely there could be a rematch so settle once and for all the winner between this two warriors.

Fans are not happy, you can read in the comments on social media that they are disappointed with the result, Franco should have won the fight but they didn't give it to him. His mistake is that he was not able to knock him out, there should be no controversy if that happened.

As they say, it's a home court advantage, so as a visitor, he needs to be extremely good to win a match.

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I'm surprised why the fight ended as draw since Joshua has an edge over Ioka.

Ioka didn't really successful to play in defensive style and counter punch, there's many times Joshua's punch hit his face. If we count based on the total punch and domination, Joshua is win, while based on the clean punch, I'd say both of them are have same result. I think the score should be 115-113 favor on Joshua just like Christodoulou's scorecard. Does this result will change since it's quite controversial? just like Casimero vs Akaho Cheesy

It's unlikely that it will be changed, the judges' decisions are always final although there are exceptions like the fighter totally dominated the fight and even knock his opponents down and still lose we don't see these in this fight, there could be a rematch and done in a neutral ground like in Nevada.
For me, fight could have been won by Franco even by split so they can file a complaint for a rematch if they want it and the fight is held in Franco's country.

The referee's decision is always final and nothing can interfere with contesting from both sides of the fighter.
Even though the decision is considered unfair, in a match it is the judges who determine the points and victory, unless the match ends by TAKE KO then it is clear who the winner is.
Usually, arguments and discussions on unfair referee decisions will occur after the match is over and the losing fighter will appeal for a rematch.

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I look at the compubox numbers and it seems that it is also close, Franco throws a lot of punch, but Ioka is more consistent.

Nevertheless, since this is Japan so expect some biases judge in favor of the hometown hero. I know it's kinda disappointed to see a fight end in a draw with no winner and both keeping the belts, but the judge score is final here and will not be reverse in my opinion. Good fight though to end the year and most likely there could be a rematch so settle once and for all the winner between this two warriors.

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 01, 2023, 04:32:28 AM

And I also doesn't think that they will reverse this decision, it's a sanction bout so the best that they can do is order for a rematch in a neutral country and see how it goes. We can't call it a robbery because there is no winner, but it's quite controversial at the end of year decision in boxing.

It's a draw and I doubt they are going to reverse that, its a bad precedent and will cast doubts on the integrity of the two judges, it's better to have a rematch, Franco can opt to have that because he won on one judge, there's always a hometown decision if the fight is close, you have to totally dominate the fight or knock your opponent out if you are fighting in your opponent soil, this is what Haney did on the two occasions he beat Kambosos, he silenced the crowd and shut down opposition by dominating the fight from start to finish.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 01, 2023, 12:42:36 AM

I'm surprised why the fight ended as draw since Joshua has an edge over Ioka.

Ioka didn't really successful to play in defensive style and counter punch, there's many times Joshua's punch hit his face. If we count based on the total punch and domination, Joshua is win, while based on the clean punch, I'd say both of them are have same result. I think the score should be 115-113 favor on Joshua just like Christodoulou's scorecard. Does this result will change since it's quite controversial? just like Casimero vs Akaho Cheesy

Yeah, in my eyes it in very close but I think Franco should have won the fight by that score in my card. The thing is that he went to Ioka's home town and it's going to be very difficult to win unless it is a clear victory to win that the judges can't do anything but to award the win for him.

And I also doesn't think that they will reverse this decision, it's a sanction bout so the best that they can do is order for a rematch in a neutral country and see how it goes. We can't call it a robbery because there is no winner, but it's quite controversial at the end of year decision in boxing.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 01, 2023, 12:42:36 AM

I'm surprised why the fight ended as draw since Joshua has an edge over Ioka.

Ioka didn't really successful to play in defensive style and counter punch, there's many times Joshua's punch hit his face. If we count based on the total punch and domination, Joshua is win, while based on the clean punch, I'd say both of them are have same result. I think the score should be 115-113 favor on Joshua just like Christodoulou's scorecard. Does this result will change since it's quite controversial? just like Casimero vs Akaho Cheesy

It's unlikely that it will be changed, the judges' decisions are always final although there are exceptions like the fighter totally dominated the fight and even knock his opponents down and still lose we don't see these in this fight, there could be a rematch and done in a neutral ground like in Nevada.
For me, fight could have been won by Franco even by split so they can file a complaint for a rematch if they want it and the fight is held in Franco's country.

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I'm surprised why the fight ended as draw since Joshua has an edge over Ioka.

Ioka didn't really successful to play in defensive style and counter punch, there's many times Joshua's punch hit his face. If we count based on the total punch and domination, Joshua is win, while based on the clean punch, I'd say both of them are have same result. I think the score should be 115-113 favor on Joshua just like Christodoulou's scorecard. Does this result will change since it's quite controversial? just like Casimero vs Akaho Cheesy

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 31, 2022, 06:52:29 PM

Lost my bet on this fight as the result was a majority draw, the scores were 115-113 for Franco while the other two judges give a typical 114-114 score.

Have not watched the fight live, only the highlights but seeing the comments that Franco was robbed, i think they have some reason to cry because Japan is known for its hometown decision (at least for me). If you want to win in Japan, you need to KO your opponent.

I checked the highlight of the fight and the fight may be too close but there was some point that Franco is dominating Ioka it was Franco who was strong with more jabs and Ioka relied on counterpunches, the fight was too close but I have Franco winning based on my observation, this is the kind of fight where no boxers totally dominated the fight, not to disappoint the crowd because its a championship they score it a draw, but yes it's hard to fight in Japan you must totally dominate your Japanese opponent like what Nietes did or knock out your opponent.

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Lost my bet on this fight as the result was a majority draw, the scores were 115-113 for Franco while the other two judges give a typical 114-114 score.

Have not watched the fight live, only the highlights but seeing the comments that Franco was robbed, i think they have some reason to cry because Japan is known for its hometown decision (at least for me). If you want to win in Japan, you need to KO your opponent.

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