[Boxing] Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez Lightweight Unification fight - page 16.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 10, 2020, 12:07:43 PM

Motormouth Teofimo Lopez is trying to provoke Loma as much as he can. Yesterday he verbally abused Loma, and claimed that his rival may have to retire soon (Lomachenko is 31 years old). BTW, is there any news on the actual dates for this fight? It was originally scheduled for April, but now it is known that there will be another 1-2 months delay. I am hoping that we'll be able to watch the fight within the next 5 months.

This part of promotions really needs to create noises to gathers more viewers and fans. It's a good way of promoting the fight since there's no actual date yet, with more social medias exposures and more thrash talks to lingered around, this might bring more money for both fighters and promoters. It's been a culture since the venue of public news is very provoking and being followed by fans.

Indeed, so get used to it mate. In every sports, usuallywhere duel like this occurs, this kind of sh*t is can't be gone (in UFC you can find it as a consistent part of every main event fights — battle of egos). I'm just shocked that Teofimo can also do such dirty thing, but well that's understandable because he is the underdog between one of them thus more hungry for pride and glory. I wish him all the best, I just hope he can do his signature backflip after the fight lol Grin

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OK.. I understand that the fight needs promotion and perhaps that's the reason why Teofimo Lopez went on with his verbal tirade against Loma. But it doesn't leave a good taste, especially if the attack is directed at a legendary player. And I have seen similar incidents in the past as well. And every single time, I have seen the individual who begins this verbal attack losing the fight (not just in boxing, but with MMA as well).

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But Lomachenko is a different animal and Teofimo Lopez is a young fighter and so i am not expecting any upset in this fight.

In that case you are going to bet on any of them, and I believe you'll like the betting odds of Teofimo Lopez in this fight.
Too much for Loma, he is a good fighter but it's also good to see a new champion,.. I'll call it an upset really if Teofimo Lopez would win but I might side him.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 07, 2020, 05:15:53 PM

Yeah, we really don't know what will be the outcome of the fight. Ruiz pulled one of the biggest upset in boxing last year so it's possible that Lopez can do the same here. It's safe to bet for the favourite in Loma, but you/we can also throw some small money in favour of Lopez just to make our gambling experience much better and exciting.

Fighting is anyone's game especially when you are talking about championship bout and the Andy Ruiz upset was least expected by the majority of the fans but you should not neglect the 100 of amateur fights he had in his career and i still think that Anthony Joshua underestimated Ruiz in the first fight and he was not able to control the fight and his hand speed was incredible. But Lomachenko is a different animal and Teofimo Lopez is a young fighter and so i am not expecting any upset in this fight.

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Quote from: Golftech on February 11, 2020, 04:08:27 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 10, 2020, 12:07:43 PM

Motormouth Teofimo Lopez is trying to provoke Loma as much as he can. Yesterday he verbally abused Loma, and claimed that his rival may have to retire soon (Lomachenko is 31 years old). BTW, is there any news on the actual dates for this fight? It was originally scheduled for April, but now it is known that there will be another 1-2 months delay. I am hoping that we'll be able to watch the fight within the next 5 months.

This part of promotions really needs to create noises to gathers more viewers and fans. It's a good way of promoting the fight since there's no actual date yet, with more social medias exposures and more thrash talks to lingered around, this might bring more money for both fighters and promoters. It's been a culture since the venue of public news is very provoking and being followed by fans.

Indeed, so get used to it mate. In every sports, usuallywhere duel like this occurs, this kind of sh*t is can't be gone (in UFC you can find it as a consistent part of every main event fights — battle of egos). I'm just shocked that Teofimo can also do such dirty thing, but well that's understandable because he is the underdog between one of them thus more hungry for pride and glory. I wish him all the best, I just hope he can do his signature backflip after the fight lol Grin

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 10, 2020, 12:30:52 PM

The fight hasn't been scheduled right? The news says it will take place in May or June.

Unified WBC/WBA/WBO lightweight champion Vasyl Lomachenko of Ukraine may fight IBF champion Teofimo Lopez in the United States on May 30.

source : https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-sports/2873648-lomachenkolopez-fight-may-take-place-in-us-on-may-30.html

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 10, 2020, 12:07:43 PM

Motormouth Teofimo Lopez is trying to provoke Loma as much as he can. Yesterday he verbally abused Loma, and claimed that his rival may have to retire soon (Lomachenko is 31 years old). BTW, is there any news on the actual dates for this fight? It was originally scheduled for April, but now it is known that there will be another 1-2 months delay. I am hoping that we'll be able to watch the fight within the next 5 months.

This part of promotions really needs to create noises to gathers more viewers and fans. It's a good way of promoting the fight since there's no actual date yet, with more social medias exposures and more thrash talks to lingered around, this might bring more money for both fighters and promoters. It's been a culture since the venue of public news is very provoking and being followed by fans.

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The fight hasn't been scheduled right? The news says it will take place in May or June.

In my opinion, since this is a 135-pound fight, Lomachenko could still handle the match comfortably. He has beaten four lightweight division boxers and only down one time versus Linares (CMIIW).

I'm a fan of Loma before he was cool since his technique is so far superior compared to other boxers I've ever seen. As long as he is not getting too cocky about his superiority, I'm pretty sure he will win all titles up to 135 pounds or maybe a bit heavier.

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Motormouth Teofimo Lopez is trying to provoke Loma as much as he can. Yesterday he verbally abused Loma, and claimed that his rival may have to retire soon (Lomachenko is 31 years old). BTW, is there any news on the actual dates for this fight? It was originally scheduled for April, but now it is known that there will be another 1-2 months delay. I am hoping that we'll be able to watch the fight within the next 5 months.

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This is going to be an interesting fight and could go either way Lopez has a good punching power but I have seen Loma facing a lot of hard puncher in his young career if he still has the speed and the timing he can outclass Lopez and win by a decision no way Lopez can win a decision here he should knock out Loma to win the fight.

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Quote from: joshy23 on February 10, 2020, 02:31:40 AM

Quote from: Maslate on February 10, 2020, 01:04:32 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on February 09, 2020, 11:02:25 PM

But on this upcoming match between Loma and Lopez, there'll probably be no upsets.

How? there's be no upset if both teams have equal chances of winning according to the betting odds, those betting odds are our basis to gauge if there is a heavy favorite or not.

According to the article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2019/12/16/vasiliy-lomachenko-vs-teofimo-lopez-odds-loma-is-already-a-healthy-betting-favorite/#5f5128362cf2

Loma is the heavy favorites with the odds.

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According to Betfair, via boxing writer and betting pundit Tom Craze, Lomachenko has opened as a -400 favorite (bet $400 to win $100) while Lopez is +275 (win $275 on a $100 wager).

That odd are base with how Loma fought and with his advantage from his past experiences it's high chance for him to win, but that's not a guarantee since both fighters have equal training and both have time to condition and review there opponents capacities.
In any sports there's always favorite and underdog but who knows what will be the outcome until the final bell was there.

Definitely the odds are base on their past performance and we all know how Loma is, very very technical boxers and a champion, actually he is holding most of the belt and obviously he is fighting to get that final belt - thus this is a unification bout.

And oddmakers really know who to set up as favourites here, its not that they are overlooking the opponent here, but Lopez is still young and might not have the experience and the tools to beat a fighter like Loma at his peak.

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Quote from: Maslate on February 10, 2020, 01:04:32 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on February 09, 2020, 11:02:25 PM

But on this upcoming match between Loma and Lopez, there'll probably be no upsets.

How? there's be no upset if both teams have equal chances of winning according to the betting odds, those betting odds are our basis to gauge if there is a heavy favorite or not.

According to the article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2019/12/16/vasiliy-lomachenko-vs-teofimo-lopez-odds-loma-is-already-a-healthy-betting-favorite/#5f5128362cf2

Loma is the heavy favorites with the odds.

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According to Betfair, via boxing writer and betting pundit Tom Craze, Lomachenko has opened as a -400 favorite (bet $400 to win $100) while Lopez is +275 (win $275 on a $100 wager).

I don't quite get you. What do you mean how?

I am saying there will be no upset, meaning the huge underdog Lopez won't have a slim chance to beat the heavy favorite Loma. That's just what I am saying.

If the odds are almost the same, regardless of whoever wins the match, there will be no upset. In this case, I am saying there will be no upset because Lopez does not have a chance against Loma.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 09, 2020, 11:02:25 PM

But on this upcoming match between Loma and Lopez, there'll probably be no upsets.

How? there's be no upset if both teams have equal chances of winning according to the betting odds, those betting odds are our basis to gauge if there is a heavy favorite or not.

According to the article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2019/12/16/vasiliy-lomachenko-vs-teofimo-lopez-odds-loma-is-already-a-healthy-betting-favorite/#5f5128362cf2

Loma is the heavy favorites with the odds.

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According to Betfair, via boxing writer and betting pundit Tom Craze, Lomachenko has opened as a -400 favorite (bet $400 to win $100) while Lopez is +275 (win $275 on a $100 wager).

That odd are base with how Loma fought and with his advantage from his past experiences it's high chance for him to win, but that's not a guarantee since both fighters have equal training and both have time to condition and review there opponents capacities.
In any sports there's always favorite and underdog but who knows what will be the outcome until the final bell was there.

Of course no one knows the outcome of the game that's why there's always a thrill in betting and we are just taking the risk with out guess.
However, odds provider are not stupid to make Loma as the heavy favorites if they don't see him mostly capable of winning the fight, and I am pretty sure majority would agree that Loma should be the heavy favorites here and they will put money on it.

but they have to bet $400 just to win $100.. so if you are a better and you like Loma to win, would you bet on that odds?

No one knows the outcome of the game but everybody has his/her own analysis and prediction. Nobody would make a bet without it.

I would definitely be betting on that odds. If you think that the odds is not that attractive, that means it is most probably the winning odds. If you go for Lopez because of higher odds, that means you are betting on a choice which is more likely to lose. At the end of the day, the odds makers are making everything directly proportional.

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Quote from: joshy23 on February 10, 2020, 02:31:40 AM

Quote from: Maslate on February 10, 2020, 01:04:32 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on February 09, 2020, 11:02:25 PM

But on this upcoming match between Loma and Lopez, there'll probably be no upsets.

How? there's be no upset if both teams have equal chances of winning according to the betting odds, those betting odds are our basis to gauge if there is a heavy favorite or not.

According to the article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2019/12/16/vasiliy-lomachenko-vs-teofimo-lopez-odds-loma-is-already-a-healthy-betting-favorite/#5f5128362cf2

Loma is the heavy favorites with the odds.

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According to Betfair, via boxing writer and betting pundit Tom Craze, Lomachenko has opened as a -400 favorite (bet $400 to win $100) while Lopez is +275 (win $275 on a $100 wager).

That odd are base with how Loma fought and with his advantage from his past experiences it's high chance for him to win, but that's not a guarantee since both fighters have equal training and both have time to condition and review there opponents capacities.
In any sports there's always favorite and underdog but who knows what will be the outcome until the final bell was there.

Of course no one knows the outcome of the game that's why there's always a thrill in betting and we are just taking the risk with out guess.
However, odds provider are not stupid to make Loma as the heavy favorites if they don't see him mostly capable of winning the fight, and I am pretty sure majority would agree that Loma should be the heavy favorites here and they will put money on it.

but they have to bet $400 just to win $100.. so if you are a better and you like Loma to win, would you bet on that odds?

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Quote from: Maslate on February 10, 2020, 01:04:32 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on February 09, 2020, 11:02:25 PM

But on this upcoming match between Loma and Lopez, there'll probably be no upsets.

How? there's be no upset if both teams have equal chances of winning according to the betting odds, those betting odds are our basis to gauge if there is a heavy favorite or not.

According to the article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2019/12/16/vasiliy-lomachenko-vs-teofimo-lopez-odds-loma-is-already-a-healthy-betting-favorite/#5f5128362cf2

Loma is the heavy favorites with the odds.

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According to Betfair, via boxing writer and betting pundit Tom Craze, Lomachenko has opened as a -400 favorite (bet $400 to win $100) while Lopez is +275 (win $275 on a $100 wager).

That odd are base with how Loma fought and with his advantage from his past experiences it's high chance for him to win, but that's not a guarantee since both fighters have equal training and both have time to condition and review there opponents capacities.
In any sports there's always favorite and underdog but who knows what will be the outcome until the final bell was there.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 09, 2020, 11:02:25 PM

But on this upcoming match between Loma and Lopez, there'll probably be no upsets.

How? there's be no upset if both teams have equal chances of winning according to the betting odds, those betting odds are our basis to gauge if there is a heavy favorite or not.

According to the article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2019/12/16/vasiliy-lomachenko-vs-teofimo-lopez-odds-loma-is-already-a-healthy-betting-favorite/#5f5128362cf2

Loma is the heavy favorites with the odds.

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According to Betfair, via boxing writer and betting pundit Tom Craze, Lomachenko has opened as a -400 favorite (bet $400 to win $100) while Lopez is +275 (win $275 on a $100 wager).

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So if the boxing odds are going to be open, I'm sure that Loma will be the favourite here. But it will be good for gamblers to bet for Lopez, those who like good odds specially for live underdogs.

That's exactly what's in my mind now, if Loma would be a heacvy favorite I would like that because this would give better betting odds on his opponent.
As a gambler, we don't bet on the favorites all the time, we also consider an upset especially when the odds are very tempting.

Yeah, we really don't know what will be the outcome of the fight. Ruiz pulled one of the biggest upset in boxing last year so it's possible that Lopez can do the same here. It's safe to bet for the favourite in Loma, but you/we can also throw some small money in favour of Lopez just to make our gambling experience much better and exciting.

To expect two huge upsets in the space of barely a year would be crazy IMO.

If you think about it, these upsets only occur a few times every boxing generation, the odds of two occuring so close together is slim to none. Simply based on that alone, we can assume that the odds are heavily stacked against Lopez.

Regardless, it won't be a complete breeze for Loma, I expect him to get caught a few times, but it simply won't be enough from the young gun.

People who watch and gamble at the same knows it's possible that Loma could lose because nothing is impossible in boxing.

I have witness this many times, I am a big fan of Manny Pacman and AFAIR, he got robbed two times, one against Bradly in the first fight and even the sportsbook are offering good odds for Bradly as they know Manny is likely to win but when the winner was announce, it was Bradly who won in the scorecards, 2nd is the Pacman vs Jeff Horn, I would not explain a lot about this match but if we are a boxing fan, we know Manny won that match too.

How many times have you witnessed an upset of this magnitude? You mentioned twice, but realistically those weren't huge upsets they were straight up robberies.

e.g. when Anthony Joshua was trounced by Ruiz, nobody can claim that was a robbery, because AJ got knocked out cold.

However, if somebody wins a controversial decision, I wouldn't say that's an upset. That's my opinion anyway.

Agree. In those couple of bouts mentioned between Manny against Bradley and Horn, they were upsetting, yes, emotionally though. But whether the bouts ended up as upsets, they did not. They ended up just like they most probably end, with Manny winning. What was upsetting was the decision which was, as mentioned, more of a robbery. Those decisions were not reflective of the winning boxers performance in those fights.

Ruiz winning over AJ was a crystal clear example of an upset.

But then, the sport has its flaws, too. It happens every once in a while. It gets unfair and dirty sometimes. The decisions were final and official. Whether those were real upsets or not does not matter now, the gamblers betting on the possible upsets have won.

But on this upcoming match between Loma and Lopez, there'll probably be no upsets.

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Quote from: Zicadis on February 08, 2020, 07:56:42 AM

However, if somebody wins a controversial decision, I wouldn't say that's an upset. That's my opinion anyway.

That is an upset regardless on how the heavy favorites loss since there's only two possibility in sports, either you lose or win.
If that is due to a bad decision by the judges, the refs, or any other factors, that would need to be investigated first but winner will be declared after the fight.

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So if the boxing odds are going to be open, I'm sure that Loma will be the favourite here. But it will be good for gamblers to bet for Lopez, those who like good odds specially for live underdogs.

That's exactly what's in my mind now, if Loma would be a heacvy favorite I would like that because this would give better betting odds on his opponent.
As a gambler, we don't bet on the favorites all the time, we also consider an upset especially when the odds are very tempting.

Yeah, we really don't know what will be the outcome of the fight. Ruiz pulled one of the biggest upset in boxing last year so it's possible that Lopez can do the same here. It's safe to bet for the favourite in Loma, but you/we can also throw some small money in favour of Lopez just to make our gambling experience much better and exciting.

To expect two huge upsets in the space of barely a year would be crazy IMO.

If you think about it, these upsets only occur a few times every boxing generation, the odds of two occuring so close together is slim to none. Simply based on that alone, we can assume that the odds are heavily stacked against Lopez.

Regardless, it won't be a complete breeze for Loma, I expect him to get caught a few times, but it simply won't be enough from the young gun.

People who watch and gamble at the same knows it's possible that Loma could lose because nothing is impossible in boxing.

I have witness this many times, I am a big fan of Manny Pacman and AFAIR, he got robbed two times, one against Bradly in the first fight and even the sportsbook are offering good odds for Bradly as they know Manny is likely to win but when the winner was announce, it was Bradly who won in the scorecards, 2nd is the Pacman vs Jeff Horn, I would not explain a lot about this match but if we are a boxing fan, we know Manny won that match too.

How many times have you witnessed an upset of this magnitude? You mentioned twice, but realistically those weren't huge upsets they were straight up robberies.

e.g. when Anthony Joshua was trounced by Ruiz, nobody can claim that was a robbery, because AJ got knocked out cold.

However, if somebody wins a controversial decision, I wouldn't say that's an upset. That's my opinion anyway.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 06, 2020, 10:17:25 AM

I haven't made a bet on any of the boxing matches during the last few months, but I will be making one for this match. The only issue is that the odds for Vasiliy Lomachenko are not looking that attractive. I could find 1/4 from William Hill, Paddy Power and Betfair. Teofimo Lopez is going at 11/4. I need to chose one of these two odds and I am 90% certain that I'll go with Loma (1/4).

Lomachenko is the favorite in this fight so it is fair choosing him to bet for,but dont forget about Lopez because this is a knock out puncher also mate so there are some great bout that coming this time.

Sorry but i am for Lopez on this one,we have already a deal with my friend and if Loma did not knock out Lopez in 8th round then i am the winner lol.

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So if the boxing odds are going to be open, I'm sure that Loma will be the favourite here. But it will be good for gamblers to bet for Lopez, those who like good odds specially for live underdogs.

That's exactly what's in my mind now, if Loma would be a heacvy favorite I would like that because this would give better betting odds on his opponent.
As a gambler, we don't bet on the favorites all the time, we also consider an upset especially when the odds are very tempting.

Yeah, we really don't know what will be the outcome of the fight. Ruiz pulled one of the biggest upset in boxing last year so it's possible that Lopez can do the same here. It's safe to bet for the favourite in Loma, but you/we can also throw some small money in favour of Lopez just to make our gambling experience much better and exciting.

To expect two huge upsets in the space of barely a year would be crazy IMO.

If you think about it, these upsets only occur a few times every boxing generation, the odds of two occuring so close together is slim to none. Simply based on that alone, we can assume that the odds are heavily stacked against Lopez.

Regardless, it won't be a complete breeze for Loma, I expect him to get caught a few times, but it simply won't be enough from the young gun.

People who watch and gamble at the same knows it's possible that Loma could lose because nothing is impossible in boxing.

I have witness this many times, I am a big fan of Manny Pacman and AFAIR, he got robbed two times, one against Bradly in the first fight and even the sportsbook are offering good odds for Bradly as they know Manny is likely to win but when the winner was announce, it was Bradly who won in the scorecards, 2nd is the Pacman vs Jeff Horn, I would not explain a lot about this match but if we are a boxing fan, we know Manny won that match too.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 07, 2020, 05:15:53 PM

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 06, 2020, 05:14:51 PM

So if the boxing odds are going to be open, I'm sure that Loma will be the favourite here. But it will be good for gamblers to bet for Lopez, those who like good odds specially for live underdogs.

That's exactly what's in my mind now, if Loma would be a heacvy favorite I would like that because this would give better betting odds on his opponent.
As a gambler, we don't bet on the favorites all the time, we also consider an upset especially when the odds are very tempting.

Yeah, we really don't know what will be the outcome of the fight. Ruiz pulled one of the biggest upset in boxing last year so it's possible that Lopez can do the same here. It's safe to bet for the favourite in Loma, but you/we can also throw some small money in favour of Lopez just to make our gambling experience much better and exciting.

To expect two huge upsets in the space of barely a year would be crazy IMO.

If you think about it, these upsets only occur a few times every boxing generation, the odds of two occuring so close together is slim to none. Simply based on that alone, we can assume that the odds are heavily stacked against Lopez.

Regardless, it won't be a complete breeze for Loma, I expect him to get caught a few times, but it simply won't be enough from the young gun.

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