Topic: [Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 29. (Read 4378 times)

Quote from: Fatunad on March 27, 2023, 07:58:40 PM

And let's say that both Moloney and Donaire will win on their respective campaigns to be a champion. Fate will make their paths cross again and I think that's inevitable considering that they are both champions in the same weight class.

If Donaire wins against Santiago and got the WBC bantamweight title, and Moloney wins the other title, unless there is a chance of unifying all belts, I do not think Moloney will dare to challenge Donaire for their title unification. Moloney had already chickened out, unless 2 or 3 years had passed, he will not dare to challenge Donaire. I agree that Moloney is just waiting for Donaire to become old, before fighting him. I bet Moloney had learned this strategy from Mayweather. Waiting for their opponent to be out of their prime age or being too old before fighting them.

So how long he would be waiting it out before he would consider about having that unification? There's no way if things turns out to be mandatory if ever he would be able to get that title.
It is indeed that Moloney had already chickened out and there's no way that he would be pushing on going against with Donaire again but speaking about age then i dont think that
Nonito would really be retiring anytime soon basing up on his body condition which he could still pull up some trigger and could still face off strong boxers despite even
if he's out of his prime.

There are still a lot of time for both sides before a mandatory fight between them will happen, given that both of them are already a champion for the respective belts they are chasing. And if that time will come, I think Donaire will not be around anymore because he is already 40 years old now and I think that bout will be at least 2 years from now.

I agree with @serjent05, the fact that Moloney already ducked Donaire is already enough for us to believe that a fight between them will not happen much sooner. Moloney is wise enough not to engage with a fight against Donaire because he knew his chances are not that strong, so it will be a waiting game again.

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Quote from: serjent05 on March 27, 2023, 07:38:30 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on March 27, 2023, 07:38:30 PM

And let's say that both Moloney and Donaire will win on their respective campaigns to be a champion. Fate will make their paths cross again and I think that's inevitable considering that they are both champions in the same weight class.

If Donaire wins against Santiago and got the WBC bantamweight title, and Moloney wins the other title, unless there is a chance of unifying all belts, I do not think Moloney will dare to challenge Donaire for their title unification. Moloney had already chickened out, unless 2 or 3 years had passed, he will not dare to challenge Donaire. I agree that Moloney is just waiting for Donaire to become old, before fighting him. I bet Moloney had learned this strategy from Mayweather. Waiting for their opponent to be out of their prime age or being too old before fighting them.

So how long he would be waiting it out before he would consider about having that unification? There's no way if things turns out to be mandatory if ever he would be able to get that title.
It is indeed that Moloney had already chickened out and there's no way that he would be pushing on going against with Donaire again but speaking about age then i dont think that
Nonito would really be retiring anytime soon basing up on his body condition which he could still pull up some trigger and could still face off strong boxers despite even
if he's out of his prime.

We never know how long because they have not become champions yet. Maybe we have to wait for that to happen first before we discuss the possibility of an unification fight. If Donaire wins and Moloney wins their respective fights, then maybe promoters will be interested in making the fight happen. It could be considered a big fight, which means it will generate a lot of money.

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And let's say that both Moloney and Donaire will win on their respective campaigns to be a champion. Fate will make their paths cross again and I think that's inevitable considering that they are both champions in the same weight class.

If Donaire wins against Santiago and got the WBC bantamweight title, and Moloney wins the other title, unless there is a chance of unifying all belts, I do not think Moloney will dare to challenge Donaire for their title unification. Moloney had already chickened out, unless 2 or 3 years had passed, he will not dare to challenge Donaire. I agree that Moloney is just waiting for Donaire to become old, before fighting him. I bet Moloney had learned this strategy from Mayweather. Waiting for their opponent to be out of their prime age or being too old before fighting them.

So how long he would be waiting it out before he would consider about having that unification? There's no way if things turns out to be mandatory if ever he would be able to get that title.
It is indeed that Moloney had already chickened out and there's no way that he would be pushing on going against with Donaire again but speaking about age then i dont think that
Nonito would really be retiring anytime soon basing up on his body condition which he could still pull up some trigger and could still face off strong boxers despite even
if he's out of his prime.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on March 26, 2023, 05:54:26 PM

And let's say that both Moloney and Donaire will win on their respective campaigns to be a champion. Fate will make their paths cross again and I think that's inevitable considering that they are both champions in the same weight class.

If Donaire wins against Santiago and got the WBC bantamweight title, and Moloney wins the other title, unless there is a chance of unifying all belts, I do not think Moloney will dare to challenge Donaire for their title unification. Moloney had already chickened out, unless 2 or 3 years had passed, he will not dare to challenge Donaire. I agree that Moloney is just waiting for Donaire to become old, before fighting him. I bet Moloney had learned this strategy from Mayweather. Waiting for their opponent to be out of their prime age or being too old before fighting them.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on March 25, 2023, 05:52:19 PM

Jason Moloney already evades Donaire giving up the chance to fight for a title. I feel that Moloney still acknowledges Donaire's skills despite of the "old" age. I do not think Moloney will have that courage to face Donaire and most probably he will explore the other title of the same division rather than contending the title of Donaire if ever Donaire wins the fight against Santiago. If ever Donaire wins the title in his upcoming fight, the only chance seeing this two boxer fight is the unification bout if ever Moloney gets the other title and the sanctioning body will have a mandatory titel unification bout (if that is possible), else Moloney will keep ducking Donaire until Moloney feels Donaire is not that capable anymore.

What's the purpose of that?

Moloney getting smart by not letting Donaire beat his ass? The way Moloney back out on the fight against Donaire, I think Moloney is not confident that he can beat Donaire.

In my opinion, that's not a smart idea. If Moloney really feels that he is a champion, he should be willing to fight anyone who wants to challenge him. He is younger than Donaire, so he may have an advantage. Besides, Donaire is not unbeatable as he suffered a bad defeat against Inoue in their last fight.

I think it is a smart move by Moloney, if he feels that he will not win against Donaire. Rather than making himself and record suffer, he decided to look for another means to get the other title of the same division. Moloney is still young, probably he wanted Donaire to get older to have more edge on the match

Quote from: danherbias07 on March 26, 2023, 06:29:40 PM

We need to wait for the outcome of this fight first, and if Donaire does become a champion again, maybe Moloney will change his mind.

Indeed we need to wait first, if Donaire become "older" maybe Moloney will change his mind Grin

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Well, that actually sums it up as if it's not that then how else can you explain Moloney's move if he wasn't afraid of Donaire even if the latter is already aging and is now on his 40s which is considered as a retirement phase for most boxers no matter how good you are. Most boxers will take advantage of that fact but Moloney ducked Donaire, and that's clear enough to see.

And let's say that both Moloney and Donaire will win on their respective campaigns to be a champion. Fate will make their paths cross again and I think that's inevitable considering that they are both champions in the same weight class.

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Yeah, might as well just end his career if he will lose to Santiago in his upcoming fight.

I also agree, if Donaire lost to Santiago it only means his career is over though he fought way better fighter than Santiago, losing to him means Donaire's age already caught up and it is time for him to hang his gloves.

Quote from: danherbias07 on March 26, 2023, 06:29:40 PM

That will mean a lot for him especially his mental state after another defeat, not that I underestimate Santiago but questions like, "Is he still physically able?" or "Is the age really affecting him now?" will pop out not just with his fans but also a question for himself that will lead to a stressful mental state.

It won't be a problem IMO if Donaire do not enter the denial stage. If he accept it whole heartedly then I do not think that Donaire will be stressed out of the result of fight if ever he lost this one.

Quote from: danherbias07 on March 26, 2023, 06:29:40 PM

This is the reason why I will bet for him because this will bring his confidence up again and this fight might also be the answer to all the critics that had been bombarding him that he cannot do it anymore after that 2 losses against Inoue.

I agree, if Donaire feel and see that there are still lots of fans out there believing in him, it will boost Donaire's motivation and might give him the wind he needed to dominate the match.

Quote from: danherbias07 on March 26, 2023, 06:29:40 PM

If he can knockout Santiago, that will be a better statement for them. No words are needed.

This will make a statement that he is still very capable. All the doubts about him will be erased and possibly will get more recognition from the boxing councils.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on March 25, 2023, 04:57:07 PM

Donaire's killer move is his counter hook punch where many boxer fell prey. But the question would be, with the current age of Donaire, will he still have that fast reflex and reaction in order to deliver that deadly punches?

I understand your concern though although what I can say about that is, he still can deliver that deadly punches.

My only reference is, Donaire is not against a considered top-ranked boxer therefore, we are not expecting an Inoue-type of opponent here where Donaire's age is playing a big role. Age does matter and that's usual but against Santiago, I don't really consider age as a factor.

However, if Donaire will struggle against Santiago, no way Donaire can even match with other top-ranked boxers in the bantamweight.

Yeah, might as well just end his career if he will lose to Santiago in his upcoming fight.
That will mean a lot for him especially his mental state after another defeat, not that I underestimate Santiago but questions like, "Is he still physically able?" or "Is the age really affecting him now?" will pop out not just with his fans but also a question for himself that will lead to a stressful mental state.
This is the reason why I will bet for him because this will bring his confidence up again and this fight might also be the answer to all the critics that had been bombarding him that he cannot do it anymore after that 2 losses against Inoue.
If he can knockout Santiago, that will be a better statement for them. No words are needed.

True, a knockout win against Santiago will be a big boost to Nonito and that statement win will send another message to other champion in this division that even if he is old, he can still bang with them guys and can deliver his knockout left hook punch. I'm not seeing any mental issues with Donaire though, I mean this guy is very durable, meet a lot of hall of fame boxers in throughout his career, so definitely he knows how to accept that 2 defeats he suffer from the hands of the monster Inoue. On the contrary, he could be very well positive in this fight as he knows he has a good chance to beat Santiago and become a champion again. There could be pressures though, but he wouldn't reach this status of his if he is in fear of big fights.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on March 25, 2023, 04:57:07 PM

Donaire's killer move is his counter hook punch where many boxer fell prey. But the question would be, with the current age of Donaire, will he still have that fast reflex and reaction in order to deliver that deadly punches?

I understand your concern though although what I can say about that is, he still can deliver that deadly punches.

My only reference is, Donaire is not against a considered top-ranked boxer therefore, we are not expecting an Inoue-type of opponent here where Donaire's age is playing a big role. Age does matter and that's usual but against Santiago, I don't really consider age as a factor.

However, if Donaire will struggle against Santiago, no way Donaire can even match with other top-ranked boxers in the bantamweight.

Yeah, might as well just end his career if he will lose to Santiago in his upcoming fight.
That will mean a lot for him especially his mental state after another defeat, not that I underestimate Santiago but questions like, "Is he still physically able?" or "Is the age really affecting him now?" will pop out not just with his fans but also a question for himself that will lead to a stressful mental state.
This is the reason why I will bet for him because this will bring his confidence up again and this fight might also be the answer to all the critics that had been bombarding him that he cannot do it anymore after that 2 losses against Inoue.
If he can knockout Santiago, that will be a better statement for them. No words are needed.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on March 25, 2023, 05:52:19 PM

Jason Moloney already evades Donaire giving up the chance to fight for a title. I feel that Moloney still acknowledges Donaire's skills despite of the "old" age. I do not think Moloney will have that courage to face Donaire and most probably he will explore the other title of the same division rather than contending the title of Donaire if ever Donaire wins the fight against Santiago. If ever Donaire wins the title in his upcoming fight, the only chance seeing this two boxer fight is the unification bout if ever Moloney gets the other title and the sanctioning body will have a mandatory titel unification bout (if that is possible), else Moloney will keep ducking Donaire until Moloney feels Donaire is not that capable anymore.

What's the purpose of that?

Moloney getting smart by not letting Donaire beat his ass? The way Moloney back out on the fight against Donaire, I think Moloney is not confident that he can beat Donaire.

In my opinion, that's not a smart idea. If Moloney really feels that he is a champion, he should be willing to fight anyone who wants to challenge him. He is younger than Donaire, so he may have an advantage. Besides, Donaire is not unbeatable as he suffered a bad defeat against Inoue in their last fight.

I think it is a smart move by Moloney, if he feels that he will not win against Donaire. Rather than making himself and record suffer, he decided to look for another means to get the other title of the same division. Moloney is still young, probably he wanted Donaire to get older to have more edge on the match

Quote from: lienfaye on March 26, 2023, 03:01:42 AM

We need to wait for the outcome of this fight first, and if Donaire does become a champion again, maybe Moloney will change his mind.

Indeed we need to wait first, if Donaire become "older" maybe Moloney will change his mind Grin

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Quote from: Distinctin on March 26, 2023, 04:10:53 AM

I understand your concern though although what I can say about that is, he still can deliver that deadly punches.

My only reference is, Donaire is not against a considered top-ranked boxer therefore, we are not expecting an Inoue-type of opponent here where Donaire's age is playing a big role. Age does matter and that's usual but against Santiago, I don't really consider age as a factor.

However, if Donaire will struggle against Santiago, no way Donaire can even match with other top-ranked boxers in the bantamweight.

In this fight with Santiago, let's set aside the age of Donaire, as I believe it won't be a hindrance for him to still deliver his accurate punch. Donaire has many experience already with many top boxers and I think it's one of his advantage because he can adjust to the level of his opponent. I agree that if he struggle in this fight with Santiago then it would be hard already to match with top boxers, not because we underestimate Santiago but it is a fact for Donaire's career.

Hopefully age is not the deciding factor for Donaire's performance. If age won't affect Donaire's performance in his next fight, with the experience and skills, I am in no doubt that Donaire can win the fight easily.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on March 25, 2023, 04:57:07 PM

Donaire's killer move is his counter hook punch where many boxer fell prey. But the question would be, with the current age of Donaire, will he still have that fast reflex and reaction in order to deliver that deadly punches?

I understand your concern though although what I can say about that is, he still can deliver that deadly punches.

My only reference is, Donaire is not against a considered top-ranked boxer therefore, we are not expecting an Inoue-type of opponent here where Donaire's age is playing a big role. Age does matter and that's usual but against Santiago, I don't really consider age as a factor.

However, if Donaire will struggle against Santiago, no way Donaire can even match with other top-ranked boxers in the bantamweight.

In this fight with Santiago, let's set aside the age of Donaire, as I believe it won't be a hindrance for him to still deliver his accurate punch. Donaire has many experience already with many top boxers and I think it's one of his advantage because he can adjust to the level of his opponent. I agree that if he struggle in this fight with Santiago then it would be hard already to match with top boxers, not because we underestimate Santiago but it is a fact for Donaire's career.

Exactly. Based on paper, Donaire is the better fighter, so his age should not matter in this fight. As long as he can still fight, he should be listed as the heavy favorite against a mediocre fighter like Santiago. This fight should not be boring since Santiago would surely be aggressive, knowing he is the underdog. A KO win on his side would also give him the popularity he wants. Imagine beating a superstar in boxing.

We all know that Santiago is not a champion, while Donaire has already become a champion many times in different divisions. Therefore, experience-wise, Donaire has the advantage and in terms of power, he still has it. In my opinion, the quality of his opponent is not that good, so we can expect that the fans will favor Donaire, which is the reason why he is the heavy favorite here.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on March 25, 2023, 04:57:07 PM

Donaire's killer move is his counter hook punch where many boxer fell prey. But the question would be, with the current age of Donaire, will he still have that fast reflex and reaction in order to deliver that deadly punches?

I understand your concern though although what I can say about that is, he still can deliver that deadly punches.

My only reference is, Donaire is not against a considered top-ranked boxer therefore, we are not expecting an Inoue-type of opponent here where Donaire's age is playing a big role. Age does matter and that's usual but against Santiago, I don't really consider age as a factor.

However, if Donaire will struggle against Santiago, no way Donaire can even match with other top-ranked boxers in the bantamweight.

In this fight with Santiago, let's set aside the age of Donaire, as I believe it won't be a hindrance for him to still deliver his accurate punch. Donaire has many experience already with many top boxers and I think it's one of his advantage because he can adjust to the level of his opponent. I agree that if he struggle in this fight with Santiago then it would be hard already to match with top boxers, not because we underestimate Santiago but it is a fact for Donaire's career.

Exactly. Based on paper, Donaire is the better fighter, so his age should not matter in this fight. As long as he can still fight, he should be listed as the heavy favorite against a mediocre fighter like Santiago. This fight should not be boring since Santiago would surely be aggressive, knowing he is the underdog. A KO win on his side would also give him the popularity he wants. Imagine beating a superstar in boxing.

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