[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 27.

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Quote from: TravelMug on April 05, 2023, 08:55:05 PM

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Quote from: Questat on April 05, 2023, 08:32:03 AM

I don't think Donaire will retire as long as he can still make money. As long as he remains a champion, he will see it as an opportunity to earn more before retiring. Most boxers retire when they can no longer win and sell their fights, but Donaire's journey may be different since he is still considered a dominant fighter despite his age.

Undoubtedly, in the world of boxing, money plays a significant role. While Donaire is undoubtedly popular, he is not as wealthy as the boxers in the upper division who become champions. Therefore, he will likely take this opportunity to continue fighting and making money at the same time. The outcome of this fight is essential, as if Donaire were to lose, he may not consider continuing his boxing career.

One reason though is that he campaigns in the lower division and the money is not as big as lets say in the premier weight which is 147 lbs. But I read that Donaire and his wife has a good investment with the money that Donaire earn in boxing, so maybe they will have enough money even if Donaire decided to retire for good. So still a win win situation for him, if by chance he lost and decided to quit, he will have a good life. And if we wins, then obviously he will fight another day to defend that belt and make a payday for him.

It's very important for a boxer to learn how to manage their finances. Donaire is lucky to have his wife as his manager, as the money will not go to someone else. With good investments, their wealth has likely grown and they have already prepared for their future, even without the money they are earning from boxing.

So, he may retire as a champion if that's his goal. However, if he still has a passion for boxing and believes in himself that he can win, he might choose to stay in the sport for longer.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 05, 2023, 08:18:15 PM

Quote from: Questat on April 05, 2023, 08:32:03 AM

I don't think Donaire will retire as long as he can still make money. As long as he remains a champion, he will see it as an opportunity to earn more before retiring. Most boxers retire when they can no longer win and sell their fights, but Donaire's journey may be different since he is still considered a dominant fighter despite his age.

Undoubtedly, in the world of boxing, money plays a significant role. While Donaire is undoubtedly popular, he is not as wealthy as the boxers in the upper division who become champions. Therefore, he will likely take this opportunity to continue fighting and making money at the same time. The outcome of this fight is essential, as if Donaire were to lose, he may not consider continuing his boxing career.

One reason though is that he campaigns in the lower division and the money is not as big as lets say in the premier weight which is 147 lbs. But I read that Donaire and his wife has a good investment with the money that Donaire earn in boxing, so maybe they will have enough money even if Donaire decided to retire for good. So still a win win situation for him, if by chance he lost and decided to quit, he will have a good life. And if we wins, then obviously he will fight another day to defend that belt and make a payday for him.

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Quote from: Questat on April 05, 2023, 08:32:03 AM

I don't think Donaire will retire as long as he can still make money. As long as he remains a champion, he will see it as an opportunity to earn more before retiring. Most boxers retire when they can no longer win and sell their fights, but Donaire's journey may be different since he is still considered a dominant fighter despite his age.

Undoubtedly, in the world of boxing, money plays a significant role. While Donaire is undoubtedly popular, he is not as wealthy as the boxers in the upper division who become champions. Therefore, he will likely take this opportunity to continue fighting and making money at the same time. The outcome of this fight is essential, as if Donaire were to lose, he may not consider continuing his boxing career.

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Quote from: Pamadar on April 04, 2023, 10:51:24 PM

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Quote from: Pamadar on April 03, 2023, 05:01:37 AM

Yeah right, better to wait for whatever it's awaits him after winning the fight, let Maloney push his way to challenge or ask for the fight as long as Donaire will get decent earnings then so be it.

Taking care of his finances while there's still plenty of time for him is the best decision for the Donaire,
win the fight and take a good amount of offer next.

Yeah but most of us will be a lot happier if he will going to win this fight. We all know donaire from his wins to his losses, though sometimes I am thinking that maybe he should rest, but then if he still can fight other boxers and his team is still able to improve his stats before then no problem at all. I just say that he is already a winner to us, a champion whether he wins or he lose Donaire is Donaire.

Just the same with all those legends who continue to bring pride even they are no longer on their primes but still manage to win a fight and become a champ it's really a good way of showing love to the sports.

On Donaire's end, it's another edge if he will take the belt I mean if he become a champion again then
expect to have another money fight before he will retire his gloves right?

I don't think Donaire will retire as long as he can still make money. As long as he remains a champion, he will see it as an opportunity to earn more before retiring. Most boxers retire when they can no longer win and sell their fights, but Donaire's journey may be different since he is still considered a dominant fighter despite his age.

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Quote from: molsewid on April 03, 2023, 12:13:09 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on April 03, 2023, 05:01:37 AM

Yeah right, better to wait for whatever it's awaits him after winning the fight, let Maloney push his way to challenge or ask for the fight as long as Donaire will get decent earnings then so be it.

Taking care of his finances while there's still plenty of time for him is the best decision for the Donaire,
win the fight and take a good amount of offer next.

Yeah but most of us will be a lot happier if he will going to win this fight. We all know donaire from his wins to his losses, though sometimes I am thinking that maybe he should rest, but then if he still can fight other boxers and his team is still able to improve his stats before then no problem at all. I just say that he is already a winner to us, a champion whether he wins or he lose Donaire is Donaire.

Just the same with all those legends who continue to bring pride even they are no longer on their primes but still manage to win a fight and become a champ it's really a good way of showing love to the sports.

On Donaire's end, it's another edge if he will take the belt I mean if he become a champion again then
expect to have another money fight before he will retire his gloves right?

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 04, 2023, 12:21:15 AM

I don't know why the issue of him going down in weight in bantamweight has surface, even if he losses to Fulton, he should stick to super bantamweight as his body can't make it to 118 lbs and it will just cause him more problems in his health if he decided to go down again.

So I do agree that if he really wanted to become another legend like Manny, he should be moving up in weight and chasing those belts. However, personally, I don't see him moving further, maybe 126 lbs in the future, but that's going to be very hard unless his body will still continue to grow or he just add more pounds, but it's different if you can't bring you power to the new weight class that he is targeting.

Maybe people are refer to Canelo where he's not capable in light heavyweight division and he return back to super middleweight where he really destroy everyone in this division. If Inoue lost against Fulton, I think he will want a rematch rather than back to bantamweight division, no one want to fight with him.

AFAIK there's no boxer which ever become undisputed champion in three different divisions, Inoue can take this challenge because he's still young and powerful. He will have a race with Canelo since Canelo already become undisputed champion in two different divisions.

We all know that canelo is unstoppable in middle weigh division which is he is totally strong that can bring his Opponent out the ring with a loss. And also this is what happen if inuoe will fail to fight against fulton we all know that fulton is a strong fighter as well he has a good strategy and techniques so this will be a good match to watch and of inoue will fail then for sure he will go back to the bantamweight which is he is the king of that division .

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 04, 2023, 12:21:15 AM

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Quote from: Botnake on April 03, 2023, 08:11:52 PM

Inoue is unlikely to move down to bantamweight again, creating a great opportunity for anyone to become a champion in this division.

Agreed, Inoue is unlikely to return to the bantamweight division as he has already dominated it and become an undisputed champion. With his exceptional boxing skills, he is more likely to achieve greater success in a higher division, where there is also more money to be made. Inoue is still pushing his limits and has a long career ahead of him. His focus should be on winning every fight and following in the footsteps of legends like Pacquiao, who has achieved both success and wealth through their boxing careers.

I don't know why the issue of him going down in weight in bantamweight has surface, even if he losses to Fulton, he should stick to super bantamweight as his body can't make it to 118 lbs and it will just cause him more problems in his health if he decided to go down again.

So I do agree that if he really wanted to become another legend like Manny, he should be moving up in weight and chasing those belts. However, personally, I don't see him moving further, maybe 126 lbs in the future, but that's going to be very hard unless his body will still continue to grow or he just add more pounds, but it's different if you can't bring you power to the new weight class that he is targeting.

It's premature to make a judgement on his capabilities just yet. Let him win first in the new division, and we will eventually see if he can move up without losing his power. We had doubts about Manny before, but he proved us wrong by not only carrying his power but also dominating bigger opponents, which led him to become the only 8th division champion.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 04, 2023, 12:21:15 AM

I don't know why the issue of him going down in weight in bantamweight has surface, even if he losses to Fulton, he should stick to super bantamweight as his body can't make it to 118 lbs and it will just cause him more problems in his health if he decided to go down again.

So I do agree that if he really wanted to become another legend like Manny, he should be moving up in weight and chasing those belts. However, personally, I don't see him moving further, maybe 126 lbs in the future, but that's going to be very hard unless his body will still continue to grow or he just add more pounds, but it's different if you can't bring you power to the new weight class that he is targeting.

Maybe people are refer to Canelo where he's not capable in light heavyweight division and he return back to super middleweight where he really destroy everyone in this division. If Inoue lost against Fulton, I think he will want a rematch rather than back to bantamweight division, no one want to fight with him.

AFAIK there's no boxer which ever become undisputed champion in three different divisions, Inoue can take this challenge because he's still young and powerful. He will have a race with Canelo since Canelo already become undisputed champion in two different divisions.

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Quote from: Questat on April 04, 2023, 12:05:17 AM

Quote from: Botnake on April 03, 2023, 08:11:52 PM

Inoue is unlikely to move down to bantamweight again, creating a great opportunity for anyone to become a champion in this division.

Agreed, Inoue is unlikely to return to the bantamweight division as he has already dominated it and become an undisputed champion. With his exceptional boxing skills, he is more likely to achieve greater success in a higher division, where there is also more money to be made. Inoue is still pushing his limits and has a long career ahead of him. His focus should be on winning every fight and following in the footsteps of legends like Pacquiao, who has achieved both success and wealth through their boxing careers.

I don't know why the issue of him going down in weight in bantamweight has surface, even if he losses to Fulton, he should stick to super bantamweight as his body can't make it to 118 lbs and it will just cause him more problems in his health if he decided to go down again.

So I do agree that if he really wanted to become another legend like Manny, he should be moving up in weight and chasing those belts. However, personally, I don't see him moving further, maybe 126 lbs in the future, but that's going to be very hard unless his body will still continue to grow or he just add more pounds, but it's different if you can't bring you power to the new weight class that he is targeting.

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Quote from: Botnake on April 03, 2023, 08:11:52 PM

Inoue is unlikely to move down to bantamweight again, creating a great opportunity for anyone to become a champion in this division.

Agreed, Inoue is unlikely to return to the bantamweight division as he has already dominated it and become an undisputed champion. With his exceptional boxing skills, he is more likely to achieve greater success in a higher division, where there is also more money to be made. Inoue is still pushing his limits and has a long career ahead of him. His focus should be on winning every fight and following in the footsteps of legends like Pacquiao, who has achieved both success and wealth through their boxing careers.

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Quote from: harizen on April 03, 2023, 06:42:43 PM

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What's the purpose of that? In my opinion, that's not a smart idea. If Moloney really feels that he is a champion, he should be willing to fight anyone who wants to challenge him. He is younger than Donaire, so he may have an advantage. Besides, Donaire is not unbeatable as he suffered a bad defeat against Inoue in their last fight.

We need to wait for the outcome of this fight first, and if Donaire does become a champion again, maybe Moloney will change his mind.

It's not just Moloney I guess but there are other reasons why their camp backed out on that fight, maybe boxing politics again.

Besides, Moloney is not being challenged by Donaire but the fight was ordered being him the rank 1 and Donaire the rank 2 by the WBC.

Moving forward, if they will win their respective fights, they will possibly meet up in a unification fight.

Let's hope for a favorable outcome in both of their fights. Donaire is determined to prove himself to his fans and dominate against Moloney. If he wins a unification fight, it would be a significant achievement and could potentially make him an undisputed champion.

Inoue is unlikely to move down to bantamweight again, creating a great opportunity for anyone to become a champion in this division.

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 03, 2023, 06:59:04 PM

Quote from: blockman on April 03, 2023, 12:41:23 PM

That is what most fans are thinking of him, he just needs to pursue retirement after just winning any match. Regardless of whom it was against, that's what we want to happen for him. But that's what he wants for himself? We guess so and hopefully that's actually what he wants to happen. Because if not, he might just find out that retirement is really for him whether he wins or not. He just needs to take one more shot if he's not yet satisfied with his current situation before he retires. Because if he retires and it's also a loss on his end, that won't be the best retirement ever but he has to embrace that with an open heart as not all boxers are ending retirement with a recent win.

Let Donaire just do what he wants. He was against at Inoue on his last match and the monster is really powerful at 122.

Donaire wants to check if his strength is still there if he is up against any other boxer at 122 now that Inoue moved up.

Until he wasn't beaten aside from Inoue in the 122, he will just continue to fight I guess.

I agree with you. Donaire knows what to do so let's just allow him to do what he wants, whatever he feels. We don't understand what's on his shoe. That's not about being not contented but what if he really has that power to dominate the Bantamweight because Naoya Inoue is not there anymore? Santiago is not even a dangerous threat compared to Jason Moloney.

There are people here who don't know how's the competition in the bantamweight right now so it's easy for them to say that Donaire needs to retire.

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Quote from: blockman on April 03, 2023, 12:41:23 PM

That is what most fans are thinking of him, he just needs to pursue retirement after just winning any match. Regardless of whom it was against, that's what we want to happen for him. But that's what he wants for himself? We guess so and hopefully that's actually what he wants to happen. Because if not, he might just find out that retirement is really for him whether he wins or not. He just needs to take one more shot if he's not yet satisfied with his current situation before he retires. Because if he retires and it's also a loss on his end, that won't be the best retirement ever but he has to embrace that with an open heart as not all boxers are ending retirement with a recent win.

Let Donaire just do what he wants. He was against at Inoue on his last match and the monster is really powerful at 122.

Donaire wants to check if his strength is still there if he is up against any other boxer at 122 now that Inoue moved up.

Until he wasn't beaten aside from Inoue in the 122, he will just continue to fight I guess.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 26, 2023, 01:05:00 AM

What's the purpose of that? In my opinion, that's not a smart idea. If Moloney really feels that he is a champion, he should be willing to fight anyone who wants to challenge him. He is younger than Donaire, so he may have an advantage. Besides, Donaire is not unbeatable as he suffered a bad defeat against Inoue in their last fight.

We need to wait for the outcome of this fight first, and if Donaire does become a champion again, maybe Moloney will change his mind.

It's not just Moloney I guess but there are other reasons why their camp backed out on that fight, maybe boxing politics again.

Besides, Moloney is not being challenged by Donaire but the fight was ordered being him the rank 1 and Donaire the rank 2 by the WBC.

Moving forward, if they will win their respective fights, they will possibly meet up in a unification fight.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on April 03, 2023, 12:24:29 PM

That I do agree. He needs to take the situation one at a time as he doesn't know yet what the future holds for him.
They can't decide what to do next if the fight is not even happening yet.
He will know his capability as a boxer after the match, if he can still pursue one more given he's also aging.
Much better if he will retire the sports on a winning side. There's a lot younger generation just waiting for their turn to shine.
If he will retire in good shape, then, that's already winning in my opinion. Not all boxers retire with money and good health.

That is what most fans are thinking of him, he just needs to pursue retirement after just winning any match. Regardless of whom it was against, that's what we want to happen for him. But that's what he wants for himself? We guess so and hopefully that's actually what he wants to happen. Because if not, he might just find out that retirement is really for him whether he wins or not. He just needs to take one more shot if he's not yet satisfied with his current situation before he retires. Because if he retires and it's also a loss on his end, that won't be the best retirement ever but he has to embrace that with an open heart as not all boxers are ending retirement with a recent win.

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Quote from: Pamadar on April 03, 2023, 05:01:37 AM

Quote from: Jating on April 02, 2023, 10:41:13 PM

^^ And it's hard to see them facing, I think if Donaire will win this fight, he will have to defend it within the own organization as he is just a newly crown champion and just like the rest of boxers that will win in the other major governing belts. There will be no cross over fight or unification just yet.

For sure though, The Donaire's will have this in mind, that at one time, Moloney who agreed by principle during the WBC convention to fight him for the belt suddenly change his mind and then go on to move to WBO.

Yeah right, better to wait for whatever it's awaits him after winning the fight, let Maloney push his way to challenge or ask for the fight as long as Donaire will get decent earnings then so be it.

Taking care of his finances while there's still plenty of time for him is the best decision for the Donaire,
win the fight and take a good amount of offer next.

That I do agree. He needs to take the situation one at a time as he doesn't know yet what the future holds for him.
They can't decide what to do next if the fight is not even happening yet.
He will know his capability as a boxer after the match, if he can still pursue one more given he's also aging.
Much better if he will retire the sports on a winning side. There's a lot younger generation just waiting for their turn to shine.
If he will retire in good shape, then, that's already winning in my opinion. Not all boxers retire with money and good health.

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Quote from: Pamadar on April 03, 2023, 05:01:37 AM

Yeah right, better to wait for whatever it's awaits him after winning the fight, let Maloney push his way to challenge or ask for the fight as long as Donaire will get decent earnings then so be it.

Taking care of his finances while there's still plenty of time for him is the best decision for the Donaire,
win the fight and take a good amount of offer next.

Yeah but most of us will be a lot happier if he will going to win this fight. We all know donaire from his wins to his losses, though sometimes I am thinking that maybe he should rest, but then if he still can fight other boxers and his team is still able to improve his stats before then no problem at all. I just say that he is already a winner to us, a champion whether he wins or he lose Donaire is Donaire.

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Quote from: Jating on April 02, 2023, 10:41:13 PM

^^ And it's hard to see them facing, I think if Donaire will win this fight, he will have to defend it within the own organization as he is just a newly crown champion and just like the rest of boxers that will win in the other major governing belts. There will be no cross over fight or unification just yet.

For sure though, The Donaire's will have this in mind, that at one time, Moloney who agreed by principle during the WBC convention to fight him for the belt suddenly change his mind and then go on to move to WBO.

Yeah right, better to wait for whatever it's awaits him after winning the fight, let Maloney push his way to challenge or ask for the fight as long as Donaire will get decent earnings then so be it.

Taking care of his finances while there's still plenty of time for him is the best decision for the Donaire,
win the fight and take a good amount of offer next.

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^^ And it's hard to see them facing, I think if Donaire will win this fight, he will have to defend it within the own organization as he is just a newly crown champion and just like the rest of boxers that will win in the other major governing belts. There will be no cross over fight or unification just yet.

For sure though, The Donaire's will have this in mind, that at one time, Moloney who agreed by principle during the WBC convention to fight him for the belt suddenly change his mind and then go on to move to WBO.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 31, 2023, 06:59:39 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on March 31, 2023, 07:35:20 AM

May the best man win. I hope Astrolabio wins so it could be easier for him to unify with Donaire or any other future champions.

Astrolabio winning that match might result in Moloney hiding in embarrassment. They avoid Nonito Donaire and then choose another path but on that chosen path, they failed just because they think it was the easy opponent waiting for them.

But personally, I want to see Donaire vs Moloney in the future and the only way is by unification match if both of them will win their respective matches.

Let's see what will be the result of their respective fights.

I'd rather see two Filipino boxer scheduled for title unification than see Moloney fighting against Donaire for that event. It would be beneficial for the Philippines boxing if the title will be won by Astrolabio when he fight against Moloney, because it will be 100% Filipino boxer to hold a unified title no matter who win if Astrolabio beats Moloney and got the schedule for the title unification against Donaire.

But I think it is too early to look for that, we need to see Donaire winning the match against Alejandro Santiago first, and Astrolabio winning against Moloney.

Quote from: Kemarit on April 02, 2023, 03:35:02 PM

And maybe later if there is time, he can deal with Moloney as he avoided Nonito but the chances are low for them to see each other in the ring because Arum doesn't want to work with Probellum.

If Moloney losses to Astrolabio, the chance of seeing Donaire vs Moloney is slim. Unless Moloney is the top contender, I do not see Donaire considering Moloney for a fight because he gets nothing of beating him unless he(Moloney) won against Astrolabio.

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