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Topic: [Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Reymart Gaballo (WBC bantamweight) - page 6. (Read 2869 times)

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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.

The last time Casimero fought, that was against Rigo, Stake listed the fight 2 days before the actual date if I remembered it right.

There are also lots of questions back then if gambling sites will list Casimero vs Rigo since no update when the date is now getting close. They think Casimero vs Rigo is not a big market but they ended up wrong as most gambling sites listed the fight a few days before their fight.

If we refer to that, we can assume that others here are right that it will only be listed on crypto-sportsbook at least 1 or 2 days before the fight and that will be on December 9.
Because of no announcement with the day and this match is not that a hype, we can’t see the odds right away but hopefully they can have it right before the match since we all want to place a bet and support our boxer. Yes, Donaire will have a match same day with Casimero I don’t know if the venue is also the same since Donaire is facing a Filipino boxer as well while Casimero is not.

It's weird though, the Casimero vs Butler has odds already, but this one is absent?

I think it has more hype that the Casimero fight as both Nonito and Raymart has the belt and this one is to settle who will be the regular WBC belt champion.

This is disrespect to Donaire at least, who is still one of the best boxers even if he is already old.

Hopefully sport bookies are going to put on the odds on his.

You can already find the betting odds in betja - https://betja.com/sport/boxing/world-fights-318137/nonito-donaire-v-reymart-gaballo-10923

Donaire vs Gaballo : 1.29 vs 4.10, so Donaire is indeed the favorite here. I have played on this bookie and withdrew without a problem, so for those who don't want to wait from other bookies, they can try this site.

Finally, we see the odds already. 

I can't believe I'm seeing very attractive odds for Gaballo, so those who believe that an old Donaire may lose here, this is your chance to take Gaballo with a sweet 4.10 odds. Thanks @24Kt for sharing the odds.

Yeah, it was a good odds indeed, I just saw it as well in sportsbet, but for unknown reasons, all fights this weekend suddenly disappear again, maybe they are fixing the odds or something.

In any case, we have seen underdogs winning or at least extending the fight to 12 rounds like in Davis vs Cruz and then maybe upset of the year Kambosos vs Lopez.

So who knows, maybe this will turn out to be Donaire's last fight as he gets old overnight.
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Finally, we see the odds already. 

I can't believe I'm seeing very attractive odds for Gaballo, so those who believe that an old Donaire may lose here, this is your chance to take Gaballo with a sweet 4.10 odds. Thanks @24Kt for sharing the odds.

It's not surprising. We all know from the start that Gaballo will be the underdog so the distribution of odds is not surprising.

As much as I want Donaire to win, I might put a bet on Gaballo this time. It's now time for young ones to take over. I just hope that Inoue still likes to accept a rematch against Donaire if ever the latter will lose on the fight.

Yep, I think the odds are just right, Donaire will be the favorite here obviously, he is the champion and more recognized name that Gaballo.

One thing that is an advantage for Gaballo is that he is not well known at least he has one fight in the US and it doesn't look good for him although he won that fight.

And yeah, that is a sweet odds for those who loves to beat on the underdog regardless.
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Finally, we see the odds already. 

I can't believe I'm seeing very attractive odds for Gaballo, so those who believe that an old Donaire may lose here, this is your chance to take Gaballo with a sweet 4.10 odds. Thanks @24Kt for sharing the odds.

It's not surprising. We all know from the start that Gaballo will be the underdog so the distribution of odds is not surprising.

As much as I want Donaire to win, I might put a bet on Gaballo this time. It's now time for young ones to take over. I just hope that Inoue still likes to accept a rematch against Donaire if ever the latter will lose on the fight.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.

The last time Casimero fought, that was against Rigo, Stake listed the fight 2 days before the actual date if I remembered it right.

There are also lots of questions back then if gambling sites will list Casimero vs Rigo since no update when the date is now getting close. They think Casimero vs Rigo is not a big market but they ended up wrong as most gambling sites listed the fight a few days before their fight.

If we refer to that, we can assume that others here are right that it will only be listed on crypto-sportsbook at least 1 or 2 days before the fight and that will be on December 9.
Because of no announcement with the day and this match is not that a hype, we can’t see the odds right away but hopefully they can have it right before the match since we all want to place a bet and support our boxer. Yes, Donaire will have a match same day with Casimero I don’t know if the venue is also the same since Donaire is facing a Filipino boxer as well while Casimero is not.

It's weird though, the Casimero vs Butler has odds already, but this one is absent?

I think it has more hype that the Casimero fight as both Nonito and Raymart has the belt and this one is to settle who will be the regular WBC belt champion.

This is disrespect to Donaire at least, who is still one of the best boxers even if he is already old.

Hopefully sport bookies are going to put on the odds on his.

You can already find the betting odds in betja - https://betja.com/sport/boxing/world-fights-318137/nonito-donaire-v-reymart-gaballo-10923

Donaire vs Gaballo : 1.29 vs 4.10, so Donaire is indeed the favorite here. I have played on this bookie and withdrew without a problem, so for those who don't want to wait from other bookies, they can try this site.

Finally, we see the odds already. 

I can't believe I'm seeing very attractive odds for Gaballo, so those who believe that an old Donaire may lose here, this is your chance to take Gaballo with a sweet 4.10 odds. Thanks @24Kt for sharing the odds.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.

The last time Casimero fought, that was against Rigo, Stake listed the fight 2 days before the actual date if I remembered it right.

There are also lots of questions back then if gambling sites will list Casimero vs Rigo since no update when the date is now getting close. They think Casimero vs Rigo is not a big market but they ended up wrong as most gambling sites listed the fight a few days before their fight.

If we refer to that, we can assume that others here are right that it will only be listed on crypto-sportsbook at least 1 or 2 days before the fight and that will be on December 9.
Because of no announcement with the day and this match is not that a hype, we can’t see the odds right away but hopefully they can have it right before the match since we all want to place a bet and support our boxer. Yes, Donaire will have a match same day with Casimero I don’t know if the venue is also the same since Donaire is facing a Filipino boxer as well while Casimero is not.

It's weird though, the Casimero vs Butler has odds already, but this one is absent?

I think it has more hype that the Casimero fight as both Nonito and Raymart has the belt and this one is to settle who will be the regular WBC belt champion.

This is disrespect to Donaire at least, who is still one of the best boxers even if he is already old.

Hopefully sport bookies are going to put on the odds on his.

You can already find the betting odds in betja - https://betja.com/sport/boxing/world-fights-318137/nonito-donaire-v-reymart-gaballo-10923

Donaire vs Gaballo : 1.29 vs 4.10, so Donaire is indeed the favorite here. I have played on this bookie and withdrew without a problem, so for those who don't want to wait from other bookies, they can try this site.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.

The last time Casimero fought, that was against Rigo, Stake listed the fight 2 days before the actual date if I remembered it right.

There are also lots of questions back then if gambling sites will list Casimero vs Rigo since no update when the date is now getting close. They think Casimero vs Rigo is not a big market but they ended up wrong as most gambling sites listed the fight a few days before their fight.

If we refer to that, we can assume that others here are right that it will only be listed on crypto-sportsbook at least 1 or 2 days before the fight and that will be on December 9.
Because of no announcement with the day and this match is not that a hype, we can’t see the odds right away but hopefully they can have it right before the match since we all want to place a bet and support our boxer. Yes, Donaire will have a match same day with Casimero I don’t know if the venue is also the same since Donaire is facing a Filipino boxer as well while Casimero is not.

It's weird though, the Casimero vs Butler has odds already, but this one is absent?

I think it has more hype that the Casimero fight as both Nonito and Raymart has the belt and this one is to settle who will be the regular WBC belt champion.

This is disrespect to Donaire at least, who is still one of the best boxers even if he is already old.

Hopefully sport bookies are going to put on the odds on his.
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Because of no announcement with the day and this match is not that a hype, we can’t see the odds right away but hopefully they can have it right before the match since we all want to place a bet and support our boxer. Yes, Donaire will have a match same day with Casimero I don’t know if the venue is also the same since Donaire is facing a Filipino boxer as well while Casimero is not.

Surely, you can place your respective bet obviously before the fight. It's the same as before where I don't know the reason why some crypto-betting sites just list a match at least a day before the fight.

I checked the seat availability on some ticket sites and see that there are still lots of vacant seats 3 days before the fight. Maybe because of limited capacity and the news about the Omicron virus variant leaving organizers no choice but to have a bubble-like setup.
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Yes, donaire is on the brink of retirement but hanging out his gloves on a manner ends up on a win or a good looking one rather than on a loss.I could say that he has still something to prove out and thats what makes for Gaballo to be a tough challenge even on how hungry he is for some new record.
I think Donaire would retire after he loses in the hand of a real champion, probably not Gaballo because he is just a challenger, and with the kind of victory Donaire had in his last fight, I will never doubt that he could win this fight easily.
We could really tell the difference when it comes on how Donaire fights when he's still on his prime but now we are seeing that he do already lacks of stamina.He should really that mindful on prolonging his stamina until he could able to reach 12 rounds on least exhaustion and yes this wont be simple
as he's already getting older.I dont also see for him to retire if ever he would lost to this challenger and it would really be worth imho.
Donaire even knew that his oxygen tank isn't as full as he were a decade ago, even he deny that fact, he'd be lying to himself. 12 rounds is a bit too much for him already, his fight movements and speed is already rust too. But Gaballo also knows that he himself will be knocked out if he fights easy against Donaire.
We'll see soon how this fight goes down, maybe if Donaire will retire if he's defeated in this fight.
Retirement would really be still out of his consideration if ever he would lost this  fight yet its not really that a good exit if he would retire or hang up his gloves on a losing  state.

For sure that if he would ever make that decision then this is on which something looks good or simply on a win situation on at least leaving out
with a good performance or legacy.

For now Gaballo shouldnt really be  that confident even hes fighting and old Donaire.
I know Gaballo isn't that too confident that he could make this fight in his favor because he knew Donaire than everyone else, and a fellow Philippine boxer and maybe an idol to Gaballo. And this fight will be much more entertaining and exciting to see before this year ends because on Gaballo's side it will be a huge difference and a start of his career if he can eventually defeat Donaire, and for Donaire, he isn't gonna back down just because of his age and resistance to punches, but it's because he won't going to lose a face or hang-up his gloves being defeated.
But I think even if Donaire will win or lose, retirement isn't in his options right now. Maybe we can still see him fight for a few more years before he considers to retire in this industry.

Is there any change in fight date? Fight is in few days and it seems bookies haven't picked up this match yet.
Casimero's fight odds are already out, and I can say, he is the heavy favorite of bookies to win as Butler has odds of 8-8.76.
With Donaire-Gaballo, Donaire will be the slight favorite here but don't know the gap of odds once they published it.
I thought Donaire is more popular than Casimero. But it seems the trash talks of Casimero gave him more exposure to boxing fans.
Just above mentioned the fight isnt really that been hyped or does show up some high interest which its no surprise that bookies does have those
delays on showing off some odds on this fight between fighters but as we know that they would be showing it off when the day after the fight for sure.Im not that interested or excited that much though but we can clearly picture out already on whose gonna be the winner
on here.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.

The last time Casimero fought, that was against Rigo, Stake listed the fight 2 days before the actual date if I remembered it right.

There are also lots of questions back then if gambling sites will list Casimero vs Rigo since no update when the date is now getting close. They think Casimero vs Rigo is not a big market but they ended up wrong as most gambling sites listed the fight a few days before their fight.

If we refer to that, we can assume that others here are right that it will only be listed on crypto-sportsbook at least 1 or 2 days before the fight and that will be on December 9.
Because of no announcement with the day and this match is not that a hype, we can’t see the odds right away but hopefully they can have it right before the match since we all want to place a bet and support our boxer. Yes, Donaire will have a match same day with Casimero I don’t know if the venue is also the same since Donaire is facing a Filipino boxer as well while Casimero is not.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.

The last time Casimero fought, that was against Rigo, Stake listed the fight 2 days before the actual date if I remembered it right.

There are also lots of questions back then if gambling sites will list Casimero vs Rigo since no update when the date is now getting close. They think Casimero vs Rigo is not a big market but they ended up wrong as most gambling sites listed the fight a few days before their fight.

If we refer to that, we can assume that others here are right that it will only be listed on crypto-sportsbook at least 1 or 2 days before the fight and that will be on December 9.
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Not only the love of sports but most especially the opportunity to earn more money, when a boxer is at the top, they can make more money due to opportunities of having big fights, so Donaire will not retire yet as he can still make money and his goal to be an undisputed champion has not be achieved yet.

Why are you talking that Donaire is already old? Look at him and try to analyze how good he is on his last fight. Donaire would not be a champion now if he is not capable of winning, so let's not worry about his age because it's just a number, as long as he keeps himself busy with training, he surely still has a lot to offer at his age.
While it is true that age is just a number and that people age at different rates at the same time we cannot deny that the older you get the more chances you have to see a very fast drop in your skills from a fight to the other, we are not going to know if this happened until we watch Donaire fight Gaballo, but it is a possibility, after all we have seen a lot of great fighters that during their previous fight looked great only to fall considerably in their performance during their next fight.
Yeah, age is just a number.. If you still remember Marquez, he is an older fighter when he beats Manny Pacquiao and I believe he is already 39 years old when he KO a prime Pacquiao, Donaire has the same age, so it's really age is just a number. However, I agree that anything can happen, the previous fight performance does not guarantee that we will see it in a new opponent, it happened many times in boxing so I would not be surprise if Donarie lose this fight.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.

It will happen on the scheduled date. If we don't see the match currently on the sportsbook, there's no connection that the fight will postpone or delay.

As usual, we might see it listed on our preferred crypto-sportsbook at least 1-2 days before the fight.

Patience everyone. Smiley
Bookies might not see interest coming from big market that's why they are not providing odd, or just how mostly it's been done
offering odd 1-2 days before the upcoming fight, it will happen unless there's announcement from the promoters that the fight was
cancel or move. So far there's none.

We need to add some patience while waiting if bookies will add this one in a much earlier time.

Else, we should see this during the actual date of fight.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.

It will happen on the scheduled date. If we don't see the match currently on the sportsbook, there's no connection that the fight will postpone or delay.

As usual, we might see it listed on our preferred crypto-sportsbook at least 1-2 days before the fight.

Patience everyone. Smiley
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Yes, donaire is on the brink of retirement but hanging out his gloves on a manner ends up on a win or a good looking one rather than on a loss.I could say that he has still something to prove out and thats what makes for Gaballo to be a tough challenge even on how hungry he is for some new record.
I think Donaire would retire after he loses in the hand of a real champion, probably not Gaballo because he is just a challenger, and with the kind of victory Donaire had in his last fight, I will never doubt that he could win this fight easily.
We could really tell the difference when it comes on how Donaire fights when he's still on his prime but now we are seeing that he do already lacks of stamina.He should really that mindful on prolonging his stamina until he could able to reach 12 rounds on least exhaustion and yes this wont be simple
as he's already getting older.I dont also see for him to retire if ever he would lost to this challenger and it would really be worth imho.
Donaire even knew that his oxygen tank isn't as full as he were a decade ago, even he deny that fact, he'd be lying to himself. 12 rounds is a bit too much for him already, his fight movements and speed is already rust too. But Gaballo also knows that he himself will be knocked out if he fights easy against Donaire.
We'll see soon how this fight goes down, maybe if Donaire will retire if he's defeated in this fight.
Retirement would really be still out of his consideration if ever he would lost this  fight yet its not really that a good exit if he would retire or hang up his gloves on a losing  state.

For sure that if he would ever make that decision then this is on which something looks good or simply on a win situation on at least leaving out
with a good performance or legacy.

For now Gaballo shouldnt really be  that confident even hes fighting and old Donaire.
I know Gaballo isn't that too confident that he could make this fight in his favor because he knew Donaire than everyone else, and a fellow Philippine boxer and maybe an idol to Gaballo. And this fight will be much more entertaining and exciting to see before this year ends because on Gaballo's side it will be a huge difference and a start of his career if he can eventually defeat Donaire, and for Donaire, he isn't gonna back down just because of his age and resistance to punches, but it's because he won't going to lose a face or hang-up his gloves being defeated.
But I think even if Donaire will win or lose, retirement isn't in his options right now. Maybe we can still see him fight for a few more years before he considers to retire in this industry.

Is there any change in fight date? Fight is in few days and it seems bookies haven't picked up this match yet.
Casimero's fight odds are already out, and I can say, he is the heavy favorite of bookies to win as Butler has odds of 8-8.76.
With Donaire-Gaballo, Donaire will be the slight favorite here but don't know the gap of odds once they published it.
I thought Donaire is more popular than Casimero. But it seems the trash talks of Casimero gave him more exposure to boxing fans.
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Not only the love of sports but most especially the opportunity to earn more money, when a boxer is at the top, they can make more money due to opportunities of having big fights, so Donaire will not retire yet as he can still make money and his goal to be an undisputed champion has not be achieved yet.

Why are you talking that Donaire is already old? Look at him and try to analyze how good he is on his last fight. Donaire would not be a champion now if he is not capable of winning, so let's not worry about his age because it's just a number, as long as he keeps himself busy with training, he surely still has a lot to offer at his age.
While it is true that age is just a number and that people age at different rates at the same time we cannot deny that the older you get the more chances you have to see a very fast drop in your skills from a fight to the other, we are not going to know if this happened until we watch Donaire fight Gaballo, but it is a possibility, after all we have seen a lot of great fighters that during their previous fight looked great only to fall considerably in their performance during their next fight.
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Yes, donaire is on the brink of retirement but hanging out his gloves on a manner ends up on a win or a good looking one rather than on a loss.I could say that he has still something to prove out and thats what makes for Gaballo to be a tough challenge even on how hungry he is for some new record.
I think Donaire would retire after he loses in the hand of a real champion, probably not Gaballo because he is just a challenger, and with the kind of victory Donaire had in his last fight, I will never doubt that he could win this fight easily.
We could really tell the difference when it comes on how Donaire fights when he's still on his prime but now we are seeing that he do already lacks of stamina.He should really that mindful on prolonging his stamina until he could able to reach 12 rounds on least exhaustion and yes this wont be simple
as he's already getting older.I dont also see for him to retire if ever he would lost to this challenger and it would really be worth imho.
Donaire even knew that his oxygen tank isn't as full as he were a decade ago, even he deny that fact, he'd be lying to himself. 12 rounds is a bit too much for him already, his fight movements and speed is already rust too. But Gaballo also knows that he himself will be knocked out if he fights easy against Donaire.
We'll see soon how this fight goes down, maybe if Donaire will retire if he's defeated in this fight.
Retirement would really be still out of his consideration if ever he would lost this  fight yet its not really that a good exit if he would retire or hang up his gloves on a losing  state.

For sure that if he would ever make that decision then this is on which something looks good or simply on a win situation on at least leaving out
with a good performance or legacy.

For now Gaballo shouldnt really be  that confident even hes fighting and old Donaire.
I know Gaballo isn't that too confident that he could make this fight in his favor because he knew Donaire than everyone else, and a fellow Philippine boxer and maybe an idol to Gaballo. And this fight will be much more entertaining and exciting to see before this year ends because on Gaballo's side it will be a huge difference and a start of his career if he can eventually defeat Donaire, and for Donaire, he isn't gonna back down just because of his age and resistance to punches, but it's because he won't going to lose a face or hang-up his gloves being defeated.
But I think even if Donaire will win or lose, retirement isn't in his options right now. Maybe we can still see him fight for a few more years before he considers to retire in this industry.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.
I've also seen the book for Casimero and Butler but I haven't the one for Donaire and Gaballo. I've checked it for both stake and sportsbet.io but there's no book yet for this match.
I don't think that there's a movement for the said date since the other match is going to happen on exact date as announced. But that's possible of what you're thinking about.
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Does anyone already have information about the betting odds of this fight?

This fight is scheduled on the same day Casimero's fight with Butler, and we already have betting odds on that fight.
So, I'm thinking now, maybe this fight will not happen on the scheduled date?

please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Donaire is still an aggressive boxer so there’s a higher chance here that he will still win on this match. I guess the local television have their own coverage with this one though I’m not sure with online gambler since they are not doing this most of the time especially if the match is not that hype.  

Yes absolutely Donaire is still an aggressive boxer despite that he is older to Gaballo for how many years but this does not deprive him for being a great fighter that can be capable of fighting those younger fighter than him. Here in my country Philippines, we are very supportive to every Filipino boxer and every fight that involves our "Kababayan" or fellow Filipino fighter has a time slot in our national television channel so that everyone could have the access to watch the fight for free, though were somehow late on live telecast. But to other gamblers I think they mostly rely on a live telecast via internet.
When you are a gambler then of course you would really be looking for live telecast so that you would able to know your bet results on point.I don't see on why someone would be going for late ones.

Its true that there are previews or late replay for the said fight which if you aren't really that much a gambler or doesn't make out bets then you could anytime watch these replays and know the outcome.

Donaire would be the winner on here and as you can see in terms of power,speed and experience.
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Donaire is still an aggressive boxer so there’s a higher chance here that he will still win on this match. I guess the local television have their own coverage with this one though I’m not sure with online gambler since they are not doing this most of the time especially if the match is not that hype.  

Yes absolutely Donaire is still an aggressive boxer despite that he is older to Gaballo for how many years but this does not deprive him for being a great fighter that can be capable of fighting those younger fighter than him. Here in my country Philippines, we are very supportive to every Filipino boxer and every fight that involves our "Kababayan" or fellow Filipino fighter has a time slot in our national television channel so that everyone could have the access to watch the fight for free, though were somehow late on live telecast. But to other gamblers I think they mostly rely on a live telecast via internet.
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