Shakur will be a name in the Lightweight division, that's for sure but I doubt that he will be a crowd drawer due to his defensive style which many boxing fans don't appreciate as they find it boring lol.
People will only watch him in a unification fight or against a prospect so selling outside the ring might be useful to him like what Mayweather did hehe.
Locking the thread now and as usual thanks for your comments and speculations about this unification and also congrats to those who won this on fight if there is, an odds of 1.5 via Decision is not too attractive for small-time bettors like us, and even to high rollers if it is on ML many could have pulled the trigger.
Topic: [Boxing] Shakur Stevenson vs Oscar Valdez Title Unification Fight (April 30) (Read 890 times)
May 02, 2022, 05:44:01 PM
May 02, 2022, 01:20:45 PM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
I would rate Stevenson among the top 5 pound for pound fighters but I find his style to be lackluster. Valdez doesn't have the best defense and can't take a punch very well. This was Stevenson's opportunity to win in spectacular fashion but he chose to go with a safety first approach. As great as Shakur is, I still think he has a long way to go before he is on the same level as Canelo, Crawford and Fury due to his unwillingness or inability to finish fighters.
He doesn't want to gamble because he has to propose to his girlfriend after the win lol.
Kidding aside, yup, that was a lackluster event for Shakur, he could have hurt the smaller Valdez if goes on the offensive mode but he chooses to be defensive even if he can take Oscar's punches.
Devin Haney is on Team Stevenson's radar per his post-fight interview and I think that would be a boring fight because Haney is also a counter-puncher and has a low KO rate.
So, let's hope that Kambasos will beat Haney so Shakur would again fight an aggressive fighter, a real aggressive fighter. Not fun to watch, but there are boxers nowadays that focus more on defense and calculated offense to win, despite the fact that they are boring to watch.
I hope but I'm afraid we will see the same outcome that we saw today. Haney is a good technical fighter as well, he is very smart in the ring and he can score that would convince the judge to give him the win. These defensive fighters are not expected to give toe to toe, unless their opponent is fast enough to catch them, but in the case of Kambasos, I don't think he is fast enough to catch Haney.
That will be the challenge for Kambosos to score on Haney's defensive maneuvers, might be fun and entertaining to see a both aggressive fighters share the same ring but yes, sometimes technical boxers like Haney has the most chances because just as I said, they are more on calculations so that their punches won't go to waste.
May 02, 2022, 01:06:36 PM
A lot of us definitely misjudge Shakur because he is young and lack of fight experience but surprisingly he is much fast. His hands is just too quick to throw not giving Oscar the time react and a punch lands his face all the time. The book makers are right about their odds in this fight. Shakur is pretty much a hybrid, I think he can beat Mayweather with such agility. He made Oscar look very rookie.
I very much agree. If you trusted the sportsbooks and made a bet on Shakur Stevenson to win with a decision which had the odds of 1.51 only minutes before the fight began, it would have been an easy money hehe. This appears to be a common occurrence in many fights in the sport of boxing. This is also certainly why I always lose money hehehe. Similar to Canelo versus Bivol, my money might lose again because it will be on Bivol.
It went as low as 1.44 if I'm not mistaken, but I didn't bet on the fight because of the odds. Anyhow, yeah, if we trust those sports bookies, the problem is that we sometimes look for better odds and not just that kind of ML wherein it is not that attractive specially if you consider yourself a ordinary bettors. For whales though, that is good enough to pour thousands of dollars in order to get a decent returns.
I'm shocked on how Shakur performed on the fight, no wonder he is listed as the favorite. He made Valdez a human punching bag while smiling as he didn't felt any punches at all.
May 01, 2022, 11:28:16 PM
A lot of us definitely misjudge Shakur because he is young and lack of fight experience but surprisingly he is much fast. His hands is just too quick to throw not giving Oscar the time react and a punch lands his face all the time. The book makers are right about their odds in this fight. Shakur is pretty much a hybrid, I think he can beat Mayweather with such agility. He made Oscar look very rookie.
I very much agree. If you trusted the sportsbooks and made a bet on Shakur Stevenson to win with a decision which had the odds of 1.51 only minutes before the fight began, it would have been an easy money hehe. This appears to be a common occurrence in many fights in the sport of boxing. This is also certainly why I always lose money hehehe. Similar to Canelo versus Bivol, my money might lose again because it will be on Bivol.
It went as low as 1.44 if I'm not mistaken, but I didn't bet on the fight because of the odds. Anyhow, yeah, if we trust those sports bookies, the problem is that we sometimes look for better odds and not just that kind of ML wherein it is not that attractive specially if you consider yourself a ordinary bettors. For whales though, that is good enough to pour thousands of dollars in order to get a decent returns.
May 01, 2022, 10:46:45 PM
A lot of us definitely misjudge Shakur because he is young and lack of fight experience but surprisingly he is much fast. His hands is just too quick to throw not giving Oscar the time react and a punch lands his face all the time. The book makers are right about their odds in this fight. Shakur is pretty much a hybrid, I think he can beat Mayweather with such agility. He made Oscar look very rookie.
I very much agree. If you trusted the sportsbooks and made a bet on Shakur Stevenson to win with a decision which had the odds of 1.51 only minutes before the fight began, it would have been an easy money hehe. This appears to be a common occurrence in many fights in the sport of boxing. This is also certainly why I always lose money hehehe. Similar to Canelo versus Bivol, my money might lose again because it will be on Bivol.
May 01, 2022, 10:00:20 PM
A lot of us definitely misjudge Shakur because he is young and lack of fight experience but surprisingly he is much fast. His hands is just too quick to throw not giving Oscar the time react and a punch lands his face all the time. The book makers are right about their odds in this fight. Shakur is pretty much a hybrid, I think he can beat Mayweather with such agility. He made Oscar look very rookie.
I've seen Stevenson have a huge potential to become great boxer after he won against Herring. Herring was a good boxer, he also won against Frampton via KO, but due to his ages... he can't beat Stevenson. The thing is Herring was an underdog even he's a champion, Stevenson is the challenger and favorited by the bookies. Well there's no way an old Mayweather want to fight with young boxer, he's popular because of his undefeated record. He already rich too, no reason for him to fight anymore.
May 01, 2022, 09:38:25 PM
A lot of us definitely misjudge Shakur because he is young and lack of fight experience but surprisingly he is much fast. His hands is just too quick to throw not giving Oscar the time react and a punch lands his face all the time. The book makers are right about their odds in this fight. Shakur is pretty much a hybrid, I think he can beat Mayweather with such agility. He made Oscar look very rookie.
May 01, 2022, 07:42:31 AM
Here is the video of the weigh-in.
Both fighters make the weight and they looked trim.
Oscar said that they are ready to bang if needed and well box if needed as well so I think we can witness world-class boxing a few hours from now, good luck with your bets as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9f6477jNvs&ab_channel=TopRankBoxing
Both fighters make the weight and they looked trim.
Oscar said that they are ready to bang if needed and well box if needed as well so I think we can witness world-class boxing a few hours from now, good luck with your bets as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9f6477jNvs&ab_channel=TopRankBoxing
Yes, both make the weight, Valdez looks very serious though and tense in the weigh-in, while Shakur is all smiles and very confident about the fight.
This is going to be a good fight, and it's really hard to predict what will be the outcome. I haven't put my bet yet to be honest.
Although most of the users here have chosen Oscar Valdez to win this fight but this is a fight where I have a hard time choosing whom to bet on.
You can't hurt what you can't hit, that's what I'm thinking right now and I'm skeptical about how can Oscar Valdez could hurt Shakur in this fight but looking at the odds which is too attractive for me, I'm going for Oscar to win this fight.
Hope in the middle rounds when Shakur is already tired, Oscar can unload accurately those power punches that could end the night for the former.
That's why I chooses to skip this fight mate, not sure if Oscar can be competitive with Shakur and we have seen how he got destroyed in this fight. Shakur is too big for him, and it's really interesting how Shakur is taking Oscar best shot and then just go around. Oscar's strategy is to target the body, but Shakur is very strong and intelligent not to engage but play defense early and score points.
May 01, 2022, 07:40:13 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
I would rate Stevenson among the top 5 pound for pound fighters but I find his style to be lackluster. Valdez doesn't have the best defense and can't take a punch very well. This was Stevenson's opportunity to win in spectacular fashion but he chose to go with a safety first approach. As great as Shakur is, I still think he has a long way to go before he is on the same level as Canelo, Crawford and Fury due to his unwillingness or inability to finish fighters.
That's not what we are expecting him to see, the bookies are right, they rated Valdez as a heavy dog because he wasn't as aggressive as he was in his past fights, that killer instinct was gone in this fight, probably because Shakur is faster than him and he could not catch him to hurt him. What's next for Shakur after this?
Yeah, it's sort of disappointment performance by Oscar Valdez. I guess this division might be too big for him though. I was not expecting this kind of result but I guess that's why Stevenson is really the outstanding favorite in this fight.
I guess if he wanted to clean the division, Shakur would want to fight Ogawa of Japan. But it seems he is not a very well known fighter and this will not bring money for Shakur. He can go up at 135 lbs and chases this other champion.
May 01, 2022, 04:47:20 AM
So, let's hope that Kambasos will beat Haney so Shakur would again fight an aggressive fighter, a real aggressive fighter. Not fun to watch, but there are boxers nowadays that focus more on defense and calculated offense to win, despite the fact that they are boring to watch.
Some of the best fights in the lighter division are in the era of Pacquiao, Chavez Sr., Leonard, boxers nowadays preferred to be scientific and calculated they just want to score points and win by decision, when was the last time we have seen a fight so similar in the Hearns - Hagler fight where every second of the fight is exciting, I can watch the replay of the fight of these two legendary over and over again but with that kind of fight between Shakur and Valdez I don't think I can watch a replay.
May 01, 2022, 04:32:52 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
I would rate Stevenson among the top 5 pound for pound fighters but I find his style to be lackluster. Valdez doesn't have the best defense and can't take a punch very well. This was Stevenson's opportunity to win in spectacular fashion but he chose to go with a safety first approach. As great as Shakur is, I still think he has a long way to go before he is on the same level as Canelo, Crawford and Fury due to his unwillingness or inability to finish fighters.
He doesn't want to gamble because he has to propose to his girlfriend after the win lol.
Kidding aside, yup, that was a lackluster event for Shakur, he could have hurt the smaller Valdez if goes on the offensive mode but he chooses to be defensive even if he can take Oscar's punches.
Devin Haney is on Team Stevenson's radar per his post-fight interview and I think that would be a boring fight because Haney is also a counter-puncher and has a low KO rate.
So, let's hope that Kambasos will beat Haney so Shakur would again fight an aggressive fighter, a real aggressive fighter. Not fun to watch, but there are boxers nowadays that focus more on defense and calculated offense to win, despite the fact that they are boring to watch.
I hope but I'm afraid we will see the same outcome that we saw today. Haney is a good technical fighter as well, he is very smart in the ring and he can score that would convince the judge to give him the win. These defensive fighters are not expected to give toe to toe, unless their opponent is fast enough to catch them, but in the case of Kambasos, I don't think he is fast enough to catch Haney.
May 01, 2022, 04:16:32 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
I would rate Stevenson among the top 5 pound for pound fighters but I find his style to be lackluster. Valdez doesn't have the best defense and can't take a punch very well. This was Stevenson's opportunity to win in spectacular fashion but he chose to go with a safety first approach. As great as Shakur is, I still think he has a long way to go before he is on the same level as Canelo, Crawford and Fury due to his unwillingness or inability to finish fighters.
He doesn't want to gamble because he has to propose to his girlfriend after the win lol.
Kidding aside, yup, that was a lackluster event for Shakur, he could have hurt the smaller Valdez if goes on the offensive mode but he chooses to be defensive even if he can take Oscar's punches.
Devin Haney is on Team Stevenson's radar per his post-fight interview and I think that would be a boring fight because Haney is also a counter-puncher and has a low KO rate.
So, let's hope that Kambasos will beat Haney so Shakur would again fight an aggressive fighter, a real aggressive fighter. Not fun to watch, but there are boxers nowadays that focus more on defense and calculated offense to win, despite the fact that they are boring to watch.
May 01, 2022, 02:50:35 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
I would rate Stevenson among the top 5 pound for pound fighters but I find his style to be lackluster. Valdez doesn't have the best defense and can't take a punch very well. This was Stevenson's opportunity to win in spectacular fashion but he chose to go with a safety first approach. As great as Shakur is, I still think he has a long way to go before he is on the same level as Canelo, Crawford and Fury due to his unwillingness or inability to finish fighters.
He doesn't want to gamble because he has to propose to his girlfriend after the win lol.
Kidding aside, yup, that was a lackluster event for Shakur, he could have hurt the smaller Valdez if goes on the offensive mode but he chooses to be defensive even if he can take Oscar's punches.
Devin Haney is on Team Stevenson's radar per his post-fight interview and I think that would be a boring fight because Haney is also a counter-puncher and has a low KO rate.
May 01, 2022, 02:45:34 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
I would rate Stevenson among the top 5 pound for pound fighters but I find his style to be lackluster. Valdez doesn't have the best defense and can't take a punch very well. This was Stevenson's opportunity to win in spectacular fashion but he chose to go with a safety first approach. As great as Shakur is, I still think he has a long way to go before he is on the same level as Canelo, Crawford and Fury due to his unwillingness or inability to finish fighters.
That's not what we are expecting him to see, the bookies are right, they rated Valdez as a heavy dog because he wasn't as aggressive as he was in his past fights, that killer instinct was gone in this fight, probably because Shakur is faster than him and he could not catch him to hurt him. What's next for Shakur after this?
May 01, 2022, 01:32:12 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
I would rate Stevenson among the top 5 pound for pound fighters but I find his style to be lackluster. Valdez doesn't have the best defense and can't take a punch very well. This was Stevenson's opportunity to win in spectacular fashion but he chose to go with a safety first approach. As great as Shakur is, I still think he has a long way to go before he is on the same level as Canelo, Crawford and Fury due to his unwillingness or inability to finish fighters.
May 01, 2022, 01:31:13 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Shakur makes Valdez looks bad he is the more powerful between the two and always on the attack, Valdez was left in defensive mode, this is a very disappointing fight we all thought that we could have a good fight because these two are good fighters, and willing to slug it out, I agree with the decision, I don't think these two deserves a rematch, it's all Shakur on this fight.
Obviously, it was a dominant win by Shakur, Valdez cannot take the power of Shakur so he was on a defensive mode. I thought Valdez would go all out and try to KO Shakur, but it didn't happen because he is not confident he can knockout or even hurt Shakur. Congrats to Shakur for a well-deserved win.
May 01, 2022, 01:17:47 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Shakur makes Valdez looks bad he is the more powerful between the two and always on the attack, Valdez was left in defensive mode, this is a very disappointing fight we all thought that we could have a good fight because these two are good fighters, and willing to slug it out, I agree with the decision, I don't think these two deserves a rematch, it's all Shakur on this fight.
May 01, 2022, 01:08:40 AM
^^ The bookies are correct, but it seems we got it wrong though as we are pre-dominantly Valdez, same as the crowd who watches the fight live.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
Maybe majority of us here doesn't want to watch a defensive fight, but it's obvious that Shakur skills is superior and he has somewhat power because Valdez was hurt when he was just even grazed by Stevenson.
May 01, 2022, 12:31:42 AM
Shakur though for me has controlled the first 4 rounds with his superb boxing skills. Not sure how Valdez can offset that, unless he hits Shakur with his patented left and change the game.
Valdez get to much punched, his face already battered... he played with peek a boo style here, I guess Stevenson's jabs is really hurt him. Right now Stevenson is really hard to hit Valdez face, so he's looking to give body shots. It's really one sided game for Stevenson, I'm not sure with the last 3 rounds Valdez can make an upset, Stevenson is really have good stamina.The fight ended and Stevenson won via unanimous decision, the bookies aren't wrong making Stevenson is heavy favorited.
May 01, 2022, 12:08:44 AM
Anyone can share a link of the fight for free? 
Anyhow, I agree that this fight is hard to bet because of the contrasting style, majority favors Valdez because of his power but the odds for Shakur is like went from 1.14 to 1.11. So again, smart money goes to Shakur but underdog bettors love the odds they see on Oscar but probably putting a small to medium bet, I reckon.
Anyhow, I agree that this fight is hard to bet because of the contrasting style, majority favors Valdez because of his power but the odds for Shakur is like went from 1.14 to 1.11. So again, smart money goes to Shakur but underdog bettors love the odds they see on Oscar but probably putting a small to medium bet, I reckon.
Just look and go to FB and search for this fight, maybe you can find someone streaming it there.
Shakur though for me has controlled the first 4 rounds with his superb boxing skills. Not sure how Valdez can offset that, unless he hits Shakur with his patented left and change the game.
Edit: Shakur win the fight, UD for him.
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