[Boxing] Shakur Stevenson vs Oscar Valdez Title Unification Fight (April 30) - page 5.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 12, 2022, 10:41:48 PM

Yes, at least the fight has been made by Arum and didn't wait for Valdez to have another tune up fight before going after Shakur. And it just so happen that they are under Bob Arum that's why there are no boxing politics so fans are going to see another great fight early this year.

I agree this should be a great fight as both fighters are in their prime, it's the best of the best and I'm expecting it will be a bloody fight knowing Valdez who's very aggressive and would always go for the knockout. 23 KOs means he is a tough fighter, and not losing a single fight in his career is something especial for a boxer who is never afraid to face anyone that will be put in front of him.

Exactly, either one of them are not going to back out of the challenges, they wanted this fight for so long and it's fitting now that they have the belts and coming off from a great win. Valdez is the more aggressive fighter of the two, but Shakur count on his defensive skills and counter punching. So their respective trainer should have a game plan in paper and let us see if their fighters can execute and then readjust as the fight goes on.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 12, 2022, 10:41:48 PM

Yes, at least the fight has been made by Arum and didn't wait for Valdez to have another tune up fight before going after Shakur. And it just so happen that they are under Bob Arum that's why there are no boxing politics so fans are going to see another great fight early this year.

I agree this should be a great fight as both fighters are in their prime, it's the best of the best and I'm expecting it will be a bloody fight knowing Valdez who's very aggressive and would always go for the knockout. 23 KOs means he is a tough fighter, and not losing a single fight in his career is something especial for a boxer who is never afraid to face anyone that will be put in front of him.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on March 11, 2022, 05:57:47 PM

They won't make this fight happen if they are not seeing something profitable for this match.
But as far as I know, a lot of boxing fans don't like a defensive style because it is too boring. A lot still want a toe-to-toe fight as much as possible.

This is a unification so I believe that revenue for this fight would be huge. Shakur may be a favorite in the bookies but I will agree with you that most of the fight fans don't like defensive fighters as they are often boring to watch.

Probably in terms of money, millions should be on the line here, as you have said, both are champion and their belt are on the line in this fight.

Quote from: bisdak40 on March 12, 2022, 05:41:15 PM

Hardcore fans of the sweet science are the real winners for this upcoming fight as we are about to witness a battle where both fighters have zero lose and vying for that unified belt, seldom we can see that nowadays with this boxing politics.

Yes, at least the fight has been made by Arum and didn't wait for Valdez to have another tune up fight before going after Shakur. And it just so happen that they are under Bob Arum that's why there are no boxing politics so fans are going to see another great fight early this year.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on March 11, 2022, 05:57:47 PM

They won't make this fight happen if they are not seeing something profitable for this match.
But as far as I know, a lot of boxing fans don't like a defensive style because it is too boring. A lot still want a toe-to-toe fight as much as possible.

This is a unification so I believe that revenue for this fight would be huge. Shakur may be a favorite in the bookies but I will agree with you that most of the fight fans don't like defensive fighters as they are often boring to watch.

Hardcore fans of the sweet science are the real winners for this upcoming fight as we are about to witness a battle where both fighters have zero lose and vying for that unified belt, seldom we can see that nowadays with this boxing politics.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 11, 2022, 05:44:47 PM

Quote from: dimonstration on March 11, 2022, 05:35:10 AM

Shakur is obviously taunting Oscar since he know that he is the crowd favorite and he is hungry for this match because he keeps following Valdez title while Valdez keeps dodging him by going to higher weight class and vacating his title. This match is actually surprising considering how underdog Valdez to Shakir while Valdez keeps choosing a mismatch opponent. I will definitely go for Shakir on this match because he was proven unstoppable despite many strong opponents he faced in his previous match. Valdez face is easy to bleed a hard puncher like Shakir will gonna have a frenzy time chasing him inside the ring.

This is definitely a mismatch IMHO.

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Top Rank is building Valdez and TBH I'm quite surprised on this move the Top Rank to have this match early as we have seen in the past how they manage the career of their boxers where they pit their best when they are not in their peaks.

IMO, this is not a mismatch, Shakur is just the favorite because of his defensive style of boxing but one power punch could change it all in boxing and we all know that Valdez has that kind of power that could change the outcome of the match if given the opportunity.

Make sense for Uncle Bob to have this fight, in house money and whoever wins, still good for him. And if either is damage after that fight, he can still promote him and still make money. And who knows, the loser might be extra motivated to proved himself against the best in the future. So nothing to lose for Bob Arum and you will see how cunning his mind is even though he is already like 90 years old.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 09, 2022, 04:43:59 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on March 01, 2022, 10:13:14 PM

Checking the odds st sportbet, I'm still at awe as how Stevenson seems to be the outstanding favourite in this fight, 1.23 ML against Oscar Valdez 3.75 ML.

So for Oscar Valdez fight fans out there, this is a perfect opportunity to put money line on your guy because the odds are very attractive right now. It will definitely change, but at least at this odds, you will have a good returns at this line might change as the fight date gets closer.

Sports bookies have put a premium on defense, I mean they really think that Shakur has a high chance of winning against Valdez.

Could be, I mean Shakur could be a good defensive boxer, but he hasn't fight anyone as explosive as Oscar Valdez.

Quote from: bisdak40 on March 09, 2022, 04:43:59 PM

I agree, this is a good opportunity to bet on Oscar if you are a fan of him but we should also consider/analyze their last fights so that we have a good rationale on why we are betting on them.

Against Miguel Berchelt, Oscar looked too good and he brutally knocked him out but it's due to the fact that the former is not a defensive fighter and no much head movement which is so opposite against Shakur.

It's a good performance by Oscar against Berchelt and it really put his name on this division. He have defended his belt but with some controversy. Nevertheless this will be another perfect opportunity for him to redeem him name against another champion. So yes, for Valdez fans or at least who loves to bet on a live underdog, this is another good and attractive bet.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 11, 2022, 05:44:47 PM

Quote from: dimonstration on March 11, 2022, 05:35:10 AM

Shakur is obviously taunting Oscar since he know that he is the crowd favorite and he is hungry for this match because he keeps following Valdez title while Valdez keeps dodging him by going to higher weight class and vacating his title. This match is actually surprising considering how underdog Valdez to Shakir while Valdez keeps choosing a mismatch opponent. I will definitely go for Shakir on this match because he was proven unstoppable despite many strong opponents he faced in his previous match. Valdez face is easy to bleed a hard puncher like Shakir will gonna have a frenzy time chasing him inside the ring.

This is definitely a mismatch IMHO.

Blame Uncle Bob for it all Grin

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Top Rank is building Valdez and TBH I'm quite surprised on this move the Top Rank to have this match early as we have seen in the past how they manage the career of their boxers where they pit their best when they are not in their peaks.

IMO, this is not a mismatch, Shakur is just the favorite because of his defensive style of boxing but one power punch could change it all in boxing and we all know that Valdez has that kind of power that could change the outcome of the match if given the opportunity.

Promoters are highly considering how much money they can generate from the fight.
So maybe Top Rank is seeing that this match will give them good revenue and they need that money because of the long break in the past couple of years.
They won't make this fight happen if they are not seeing something profitable for this match.
But as far as I know, a lot of boxing fans don't like a defensive style because it is too boring. A lot still want a toe-to-toe fight as much as possible.

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Quote from: dimonstration on March 11, 2022, 05:35:10 AM

Shakur is obviously taunting Oscar since he know that he is the crowd favorite and he is hungry for this match because he keeps following Valdez title while Valdez keeps dodging him by going to higher weight class and vacating his title. This match is actually surprising considering how underdog Valdez to Shakir while Valdez keeps choosing a mismatch opponent. I will definitely go for Shakir on this match because he was proven unstoppable despite many strong opponents he faced in his previous match. Valdez face is easy to bleed a hard puncher like Shakir will gonna have a frenzy time chasing him inside the ring.

This is definitely a mismatch IMHO.

Blame Uncle Bob for it all Grin

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Top Rank is building Valdez and TBH I'm quite surprised on this move the Top Rank to have this match early as we have seen in the past how they manage the career of their boxers where they pit their best when they are not in their peaks.

IMO, this is not a mismatch, Shakur is just the favorite because of his defensive style of boxing but one power punch could change it all in boxing and we all know that Valdez has that kind of power that could change the outcome of the match if given the opportunity.

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Both of this players game was good.My wish on this game was Oscar Valdez.Oscar attacking match was quite impressive one.Not all the players will have this type of attacking style.When the gun started to trigger, it will not end at any concern.Likewise the score points of Oscar will not going to stop against the Shakur.To know the unification fight, we need to wait a little more.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 11, 2022, 02:55:47 PM

Quote from: AicecreaME on March 11, 2022, 06:36:45 AM

Oscar Valdez would definitely win this fight for sure. Offensive boxer has much more chances of winning because boxing is about scoring points, not surviving the entire 12 rounds that focuses only on defending. Offensive players are both good in offense and defense, that's why Oscar Valdez has 77% of knockout power, bigger than Shakur Stevenson.

This fight won't be easily end but I can see already Oscar Valdez throwing solid punches that lands perfectly on Shakur Stevenson.

I think it will be a good but tough match for both fighters. They have their own strengths and weaknesses and each one of them wanted to take advantage of it. So the classic fight, offensive and volume puncher as opposed to a defensive fighter but with good power in both hands. So whoever dictates the fight early will win this game. So in case you are not aware of, Valdez is the underdog in this fight.

Yes, he is the underdog of this fight, but I believe he is the volume puncher with 23 KOs from 30 wins. Also, experience-wise, Valdez has the edge, so I don't understand why bookies made him the underdog of this fight, but of course, who would complain out there? for sure this will be taken advantage of by the Valdez backers as this offers great betting odds for him.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 11, 2022, 06:36:45 AM

Oscar Valdez would definitely win this fight for sure. Offensive boxer has much more chances of winning because boxing is about scoring points, not surviving the entire 12 rounds that focuses only on defending. Offensive players are both good in offense and defense, that's why Oscar Valdez has 77% of knockout power, bigger than Shakur Stevenson.

This fight won't be easily end but I can see already Oscar Valdez throwing solid punches that lands perfectly on Shakur Stevenson.

I think it will be a good but tough match for both fighters. They have their own strengths and weaknesses and each one of them wanted to take advantage of it. So the classic fight, offensive and volume puncher as opposed to a defensive fighter but with good power in both hands. So whoever dictates the fight early will win this game. So in case you are not aware of, Valdez is the underdog in this fight.

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Oscar Valdez would definitely win this fight for sure. Offensive boxer has much more chances of winning because boxing is about scoring points, not surviving the entire 12 rounds that focuses only on defending. Offensive players are both good in offense and defense, that's why Oscar Valdez has 77% of knockout power, bigger than Shakur Stevenson.

This fight won't be easily end but I can see already Oscar Valdez throwing solid punches that lands perfectly on Shakur Stevenson.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 11, 2022, 04:51:00 AM

Here is the face-off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJJXUBHF9Gc

Damn, Bob Arum really looks old, hehehehe, Shakur is the obvious bigger guy so no wonder why he is the favorite in this fight.

Valdez though said that he is affected by the negative news, calling him cheater and other stuff..

So we will see, Shakur commented though that Oscar has a big head, so he will target that, lol.

Shakur is obviously taunting Oscar since he know that he is the crowd favorite and he is hungry for this match because he keeps following Valdez title while Valdez keeps dodging him by going to higher weight class and vacating his title. This match is actually surprising considering how underdog Valdez to Shakir while Valdez keeps choosing a mismatch opponent. I will definitely go for Shakir on this match because he was proven unstoppable despite many strong opponents he faced in his previous match. Valdez face is easy to bleed a hard puncher like Shakir will gonna have a frenzy time chasing him inside the ring.

This is definitely a mismatch IMHO.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on February 10, 2022, 10:05:02 PM

A knockout artist vs defense oriented fighter, who will prevail?

They both can be said to be professional class boxers, yes this is a box worth betting on, I see Shakur vs Oscar have signed a contract for 30th April, both of their managers have confirmed this too, I hope Shakur vs. Oscars could be a good start, as they haven't bet in a long time.

Maybe I should side with Shakur this time and my bet is for him, of course I have reasons for that why I have to stand up for Shakur, I am also a Shakur fan for now.

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Here is the face-off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJJXUBHF9Gc

Damn, Bob Arum really looks old, hehehehe, Shakur is the obvious bigger guy so no wonder why he is the favorite in this fight.

Valdez though said that he is affected by the negative news, calling him cheater and other stuff..

So we will see, Shakur commented though that Oscar has a big head, so he will target that, lol.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 01, 2022, 10:13:14 PM

Checking the odds st sportbet, I'm still at awe as how Stevenson seems to be the outstanding favourite in this fight, 1.23 ML against Oscar Valdez 3.75 ML.

So for Oscar Valdez fight fans out there, this is a perfect opportunity to put money line on your guy because the odds are very attractive right now. It will definitely change, but at least at this odds, you will have a good returns at this line might change as the fight date gets closer.

Sports bookies have put a premium on defense, I mean they really think that Shakur has a high chance of winning against Valdez.

I agree, this is a good opportunity to bet on Oscar if you are a fan of him but we should also consider/analyze their last fights so that we have a good rationale on why we are betting on them.

Against Miguel Berchelt, Oscar looked too good and he brutally knocked him out but it's due to the fact that the former is not a defensive fighter and no much head movement which is so opposite against Shakur.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on March 09, 2022, 10:11:38 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on March 08, 2022, 04:25:15 PM

although if I'm not mistaken he is the slight favourite in that fight but Herring has some physical advantages that he negated early with his good defense and then accurate punching in the middle of the rounds.

No, he was actually the heavy favorite in that fight.

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The latest Stevenson vs. Herring odds from Caesars Sportsbook list Stevenson as the -1100 favorite (risk $1,100 to win $100), while Herring is the +700 underdog.

Actually I thought that Herring had a shot in that fight but it was wrong because Stevenson completely dominated the fight and the bookmakers were never wrong in setting up the odds.

I agree, with the way Herring is dominating his opponents and getting the belt, it seems that it will be a tight contest between the two. But Shakur is really that smart in their fight, he didn't allow himself to get on a slug fest in the beginning and content to counter the long and physical advantage of Herring. And this is the reason why is he is favorite against Oscar. But as I have said, Valdez is also a champion so maybe the odds should be close.

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Quote from: Dave1 on March 08, 2022, 04:25:15 PM

although if I'm not mistaken he is the slight favourite in that fight but Herring has some physical advantages that he negated early with his good defense and then accurate punching in the middle of the rounds.

No, he was actually the heavy favorite in that fight.

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The latest Stevenson vs. Herring odds from Caesars Sportsbook list Stevenson as the -1100 favorite (risk $1,100 to win $100), while Herring is the +700 underdog.

Actually I thought that Herring had a shot in that fight but it was wrong because Stevenson completely dominated the fight and the bookmakers were never wrong in setting up the odds.

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Shakur Stevenson's defensive strategy is unmatched, let's see what Oscar Valdez does to destroy it and take advantage of his powerful punch. From the look of it, Oscar Valdez has the upper hand here but his skills will not be counted if he doesn't land any powerful punches to Shakur. He needs to some up with a smooth strategy and it won't be easy for an ordinary boxer but I know Valdez with his experiences can execute it well.

And yet Oscar Valdez is the underdog in this fight? So are gamblers putting defense first against a powerful puncher? Nevertheless maybe Stevenson could be a defensive puncher, but he can also dishes out some good punch output and can counter Valdez in this fight. So we will see which one is going to execute their strategy to the perfection in order to win this fight.

In boxing both things must occur in a boxer to be integral, Valdez's technique and experience is something that cannot be denied, besides that he is a boxer who for me is complete, we cannot say that Shakur does not know what his opponent is like , I'm sure Shakur already knows how to fight against him, and yes, Shakur may be stronger or maybe he looks a little stronger, even so I wouldn't know how to say that he's worth more here'? The experience? Strength, maybe defense? but in boxing it is usually like soccer, the one who scores first has a great advantage, Valdez is very complete and I would bet much more on him for his punch, but if Shakur knows how to fight him well, things change in a big way, and he can give The surprise.

I would agree that Stevenson might be the stronger dude in this fight, after all this is his natural weight and Oscar is going up, although he has fought 2x already. But he do look small in this division but he has power specially in his left hand. On the other hand, Stevenson is a defensive fighter as I have said, and good body puncher, but the odds doesn't do any justice for Oscar Valdez as he is also a champion.

But Oscar Valdez has proven that he can bring his power to this division. Maybe the odds maker look at Oscar's previous fight, as he doesn't look good at it. While Stevenson dominated Jamel Herring, another champion.

Nevertheless, this will be an exciting fight as this has been brewing for years as Shakur. So we will see another unification fight this year.

But he was caught with a ban substance so that power might be questionable because we can speculate that it has something to do with that peds.

While Shakur had a good performance against the much touted Herring, although if I'm not mistaken he is the slight favourite in that fight but Herring has some physical advantages that he negated early with his good defense and then accurate punching in the middle of the rounds.

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Shakur Stevenson's defensive strategy is unmatched, let's see what Oscar Valdez does to destroy it and take advantage of his powerful punch. From the look of it, Oscar Valdez has the upper hand here but his skills will not be counted if he doesn't land any powerful punches to Shakur. He needs to some up with a smooth strategy and it won't be easy for an ordinary boxer but I know Valdez with his experiences can execute it well.

And yet Oscar Valdez is the underdog in this fight? So are gamblers putting defense first against a powerful puncher? Nevertheless maybe Stevenson could be a defensive puncher, but he can also dishes out some good punch output and can counter Valdez in this fight. So we will see which one is going to execute their strategy to the perfection in order to win this fight.

In boxing both things must occur in a boxer to be integral, Valdez's technique and experience is something that cannot be denied, besides that he is a boxer who for me is complete, we cannot say that Shakur does not know what his opponent is like , I'm sure Shakur already knows how to fight against him, and yes, Shakur may be stronger or maybe he looks a little stronger, even so I wouldn't know how to say that he's worth more here'? The experience? Strength, maybe defense? but in boxing it is usually like soccer, the one who scores first has a great advantage, Valdez is very complete and I would bet much more on him for his punch, but if Shakur knows how to fight him well, things change in a big way, and he can give The surprise.

I would agree that Stevenson might be the stronger dude in this fight, after all this is his natural weight and Oscar is going up, although he has fought 2x already. But he do look small in this division but he has power specially in his left hand. On the other hand, Stevenson is a defensive fighter as I have said, and good body puncher, but the odds doesn't do any justice for Oscar Valdez as he is also a champion.

But Oscar Valdez has proven that he can bring his power to this division. Maybe the odds maker look at Oscar's previous fight, as he doesn't look good at it. While Stevenson dominated Jamel Herring, another champion.

Nevertheless, this will be an exciting fight as this has been brewing for years as Shakur. So we will see another unification fight this year.

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