Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 62. (Read 32123 times)

This is certainly sad news. This announcement was also mentioned in Teddy Atlas' podcast and he expressed the blame on the promoters. It was very much similar to what I have said about much of these boxing events being similar to scam ICOs where the promoters hype the ICO, collect the money then dump on their own customers hehehehe.

These ICO scammers do not add anything to the cryptospace and similar to some of these events, they do not add anything to the sport of boxing.

Yeah, first of all, I do not want anyone to actually believe this 'trust me bro' level of source. If you are making such a big scene by saying something which is going to affect the career of a man a lot, you should definitely make sure that the source is really good. But in this case all we got is just like I said, trust me bro. honestly, that is never good enough. You are trying to almost kill the career of a player. And you don't have even given a proper source. If anything, the burden of proof should still be on him because he is the one who has spread the news. But I think we all know that it is not what will happen.

Right, I think some of us here grow watching HBO and Showtime Boxing events, and we would forget the biggest PPV on them all, the Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather. Because if I'm not mistaken, it was the first time that this two giant networks back then work hand in hand to bring this fight as Manny fight on HBO while Floyd is on Showtime platform.

But I guess nothing runs forever, and yeah it's interesting who is the option now, DAZN is newly established and then we still have ESPN but it's not as big as the other two networks. Perhaps the PPV was killed by illegal streamers and so they didn't get as much money as they want or as they used to be.

After 37 years. Ouch!
Just to add more information about the network shutdown, here is an article from ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/38679355/sources-show-exiting-boxing-nearly-4-decades


Indeed it will be sad that one more network is down and let us wish that DAZN and ESPN can somehow facilitate all the boxing events especially the big ones in the upcoming years.
Thank you for reminding me about HBO, indeed they are also one of the most known networks with so much boxing history that was shown in their program.
We tend to forget but whenever someone will brought up about their names we can reminisce the times when we are used to watching at their channels. 

Anyway, I bet some company out there is already planning to do the same business so we will see in the future another channel that would also help boost the sport.

Bad news and for sure there are people who will be affected after this, though there's no option as the company needs to balance their expenses
against the income that possible to come up and see if what will be the best option.

They pick to close out or to move forward taking it out from their network, I guess it will affect those people who loves watching PPV though most of
the time now there are online platforms that will offer it illegally.

^Yes, I remember that when HBO announces that they are living the boxing business for good. They have been reducing their budget and the reasons is the declining viewership. However, I think Stephen Espinoza of HBO then went to Sho after that and I thought it's all good. But I will speculate that it's the same reason though, maybe the overhead cause from business perspective is too big for even a company like Sho and obviously they are not making money out of the last 5 years after HBO department as their competitor. And for sure, there are people that are going to lose their jobs because of this bad news for the boxing industry. Yes, we still have DAZN and ESPN, or many a new company that will take over the cable viewership for boxing's biggest sporting event.

This is a sad day for boxing,


https://twitter.com/DanRafael1/status/1714320545985003771

Well first it was HBO Sports stopped operating after 45 years in 2018. And now after 5 years, Showtime Sports had followed suit. We all know that this two competing to give us the best boxing in the last couple of decade.

Hopefully DAZN or even ESPN can carry the mantle after this sad news.

That's true.
And Regis Prograis is not even telling where he got the information or if he has the proof to say so. He wants Devin Haney to do it himself and plead guilty in public. I doubt that will happen. There's a chance Prograis is just creating this story and how I wish Haney can come back to him and sue him with something else because of humiliation or like you say, tarnishing his name. Libel.

This is actually one problem with social media today, they will easily believe what rumors are coming out without even researching the root of it and facts if it is true. "Judge first, proofs later. If they are wrong, say sorry." That's the kind of new tradition that is happening now and this ain't actually the first time.
One reason that I see why they do this is the marketing strategy. Put someone's name in the trend and you will trend too, then they will sell more tickets and PPV in the future.
Their fight is two months away, they better make more ruckus if the tickets are not sold out yet.

Totally just an excuse i should say because if he was really that be underestimating someone then it would really be just that right that we would be able to see a total humiliations out of those fights but we are totally that seeing the different outcome. If he said that he didnt trained that much then it is really that clear that he's that too confident but its true that this is something a quality of a fighter on which i dont really like on which being too boastful and really that too confident but really that totally opposite on what he is really that showing into boxing fans on which the poor performance he does have despite on having a win.
If he is really just that honest then it wont really be that bad to admit out that he lacks stamina, the boxing fans arent that dumb on not to notice which is something that too obvious.

Sooner or later i wont really be shocked if Casimeros career would really be over just because of being that too boastful and something that too confident. He wont really be leading to nowhere.
Some do like this character but majority is really that going to the opposite side.I would definitely say that he doesnt really still stood a chance against Inoue
if ever this one would fight or meet up on the ring. There's no way that he could be able to get in level on how Inoue fights.

Yes, I read this accusations by Regis. But Haney says that the insinuation came from the camp of Rolly Romero (another 140 lbs champion). But then again this is just a rumor and nothing can be proven here. There's even speculation that Canelo also go this route early in his career as he suffer a lot but then we don't see it in his records.

I'm not sure about unbeaten records though, Loma for once have a questionable L in the beginning of his career. But he bounce back and become a champion and one of the best. But even after a lost against Teo Lopez, he bounce back again. The problem with Ryan is mental though, we all know that he has the potential to be a great champion, however, it seems that he is more on a social media type guy and wanted to take advantage of his popularity and just looking for bigger purse. He will have his comeback fight though, so we will see what's next for him at 140 lbs.

It was a shame that this fight ended up with a draw and it was because of the accidental headbutt sure many didn't like the result mostly the fans of Casimero, and with the recent interview on the post-fight I really didn't like what John Riel Casimero's explanation regarding the fight that he is having a hard time with the fight against Naoya Inoue's training partner for me that was just an excused,


For sure the camp of Inoue knows what John Riel Casimero can put on the table and if Casimero doesn't prove that he is worth the time then there will be no fight between the two for sure, but still, if they do fight I want to see it, but for me Naoya Inoue is now a bigger fighter than when he once fought Nonito Donaire as his speed and power is for sure on a high level now,

I do not understand why people currently have an idea of thinking that the people who got accused are criminals before being proven. Yes, he got accused that he had paid to remove a loss from his carrier. But I don't think that has been proven yet. And until it gets proven, I don't think there is any reason to say that he actually did it. As far as I know, Everyone in the West believes in innocent until proven guilty right? So let's give him a chance, and if it actually gets proven, people can talk trash about him. Otherwise, there is no reason for people to actually say all these things about him. Because his image is going to get tarnished even if he is not guilty.

It's a huge accusation.
Regis Prograis Says Devin Haney Paid To Remove Loss On His Record
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/regis-prograis-says-devin-haney-paid-to-remove-loss-on-his-record/
For now, it's a gossip. He "heard" it.
I've read that having 0 loss is a good thing because of the money that will come in. But if fans of Devin Haney do love him then it should not change anything. Although it may put a crack on his reputation if proven true. Whoever is handling the records must also be sued if he is really taking money from boxers who like to keep their record clean.
That might be true. Ryan Garcia is a good example of it. Suddenly the hype about him is gone and I don't think whoever he challenges will accept a contract where Garcia will take a bigger portion of it after his loss against Davis, and worse a KO liver punch.
I think Manny Pacquiao in his era is also an exception because he may have lost a lot of fights but because of the record that he broke he should be paid more than other boxers.
This kind of things just depends on how popular the boxer is, for starters though a loss will hurt their slice of the cake.

That is very bad mentality if you have to ask me. As a boxer and he was given a good chance by his Japanese promoter to fight in Japan and maybe offered good money as well. But saying that he is not motivated to train just because he doesn't like his opponent? It could be the start of his downfall if he will think of it if by chance he will not face Inoue or any of the top rank boxers in the division. He bolted out of MP, but it looks like the problem is with Casimero though. I mean he might think that he can go on like this, being boastful. He is not getting any younger so he should be carefully thinking of his career and make it a priority and become a world champion again. Yes, it will be interesting if he can get Nery to fight him next and see if his motivation is back.

I heard his interview regarding his fight, and it seems like he still did not admit that he lacks stamina, or maybe he admitted it but not directly. What he said is that he didn't have the motivation to train because Inoue wasn't his opponent. In short, he underestimated his opponent, leading to his poor performance in that fight. I don't know if that was just an excuse, but if he was telling the truth, then I think he is quite arrogant, thinking his opponent is not on his level. Maybe he should change his approach. It's okay to talk trash against opponents, but he needs to make sure he also shows some impressive wins against his opponents.

I also saw a Facebook post that when he signed with his new promoter, he was promised fights against Inoue, Donaire, and Nery. However, what happened is he fought lower-level fighters like Ryo Akaho, Fillipus Nghitumbwa, and Yukinori Oguni, none of which he won impressively.

Unfortunately, this is true, maybe he is not done yet in boxing, however, we all agree that his performance is very poor and not impressive and we didn't expect the fight to end in a technical draw. And again, he is very tired already from round 2, even his supporters and bashers alike in social media pointed this out already. And we can only speculate what kind of training he did in the Philippines or if he just arrived late in Japan and did not adjust well. Hopefully he can bounce back, but we still need to see how will be his next opponent is, could be another Japanese again because his current promoter is a Japanese.

Well, it's true that when things are going with Casimero but it's his turn with Inopue, I think that's where the party will come to fruition, because mainly Inoue's style is very great, very good, and he is a boxer who is practically considered a genius, of course. Having done the things he has done and demonstrated, they leave a lot for others to say that he is very nice, so in this order of ideas we can intuit that for me Inoue is on another level, that he needs many things to do, that practically when he is in the ring gives a unique impression, he is a boxer who knows that when the opponent has used up all his energy and can't do any more, because that's how he takes advantage and knocks him out, he is a very calculating boxer, and that's one of the things that I admire him the most. Inoue is his training style, because he is a very successful boxer, and every successful boxer means that every day he trains very hard and that is what makes the difference with the others, for now what I can intuit and I know that he has working over time and many know it, but do not say it, is that a boxer wins his fight in training, unless something extraordinary happens and those chances are very minimal.

When we make comparisons we see some boxers who are very handsome, who train every day, I have always liked to use Tyson as an example, who is a boxer who always got up early to train, and he himself said that if his opponent got up at 5 a.m., well He would get up at 4 and if it was necessary not to sleep to train more, then he would have to do it. This is the mentality of these boxers who are very good, I imagine that Inoue must have a lot of discipline, generally Japanese athletes have that immense ddisiplin because he stands out from everyone to be able to have those good results, I personally admire his style a lot, I could tell you that he is a genius, for me he is.

In that case, he can't really convince them good offer to fight Inoue because he doesn't have anything to prove right now and he has nothing to put on the table. That kind of boxing style is just a suicide technique and he is used to that but this time he failed to calculate the weight of his opponent that's why at the same time, he also failed to win against him in the earlier rounds because Ouni is like a wall that cannot be broken.

^^ Not sure what you mean by the style of Casimero, it is still the same, he loves to bang and throw those power punches. In short he still fell in love with that kind of strategy.

However, it's obvious that he can't bring his power from 118 to 122 lbs and Oguni proved to be a tough fighter and not just a tune up that maybe Casimero is expecting. And as what others have also seen, he has been exposed to he having no to poor stamina as he looks very tired from round 2.

After watching the fight I surely need to see it for myself this is just Naoya Inoue's sparring partner and he is having a hard time for sure if the promoters would want a decent fight John Riel Casimero needs to give his best even though he doesn't need to show all of his cards I really think the promoters will not be happy with that kind of performance as I am also not likely entertained by his performance as well,

After seeing the video there are surely times that their heads clash with each other so it was a clear headbutt they clashed their heads I think a couple of times and for sure in the interview, Casimero also admits, that their head did clash, but for me, he arrogantly said that he is just messing around and have let Oguni take the upper hand that was his excuse,


A very different (Quadro Alas) was inside the ring and fighting Oguni sure my concern for this was the style of Casimero it is not his usual style or he is changing it we can not likely know about this but for sure it is not a very likable performance for me in what John Riel Casimero has showcased, in his fight with Oguni for me if I am the promoter I will surely get bored by it, for sure he has got the 1st round but the following