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September 19, 2023, 05:57:11 AM

Bivol I do agree that he seems to duck him, he doesn't want to fight him at 175 lbs because he is at a disadvantage basing on the result of the first fight. For Benavidez, Canelo says that he hasn't face anyone yet to be sort of worthy of Canelo's time so he just ignore him for the meantime.

However, it is just ironic though that he doesn't want to fight big fighters are 168 lbs - 175 lbs and yet goes for a super welterweight at best in Jermell Charlo and then have him to 2 weight class to fight him. So yeah, maybe at this point of his career, Canelo is looking for less risk but bigger rewards in terms of paycheck but not legacy.

Possible, as he knows that his time is already nearing to his retirement and to preserve your value in this line of business/sport you need to keep winning, less risk but fruitful money benefits, wise mindset from a fighter who bring lots of sale when making a fight, though not just for him but also for an opponent that he will deal his fight, sure profits just be inside sharing the ring with Canelo.

More on the money side as he already got his name on top, now he's just protecting what he needs to protect to keep his name up
and still gaining that hype in each fight that he may take.


He already knows that money will always follow him because he got his own country who will back him but he needed someone who also got a big name to make the equation more better and fit as that will generate him more profits compared if he will just have any fight against unknown boxers, like John Ryder for example who doesn't really ring a bell to any of our ears. I mean, it's quite obvious already since he's been cracked already and boxers will likely approach him to do the same thing.

With his charm and the way he bring the fight in the eyes of the crowd I agree with your statement that he knew it already that money will come up chasing him when he set a fight, and I also follow your statement in terms of getting an opponent that will equal or maybe on his same level to make it more profitable, a title contender or a good belt challenger that will also bring the hypes for the fans, the more entertaining they bring the more money that they can convert.
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September 19, 2023, 04:37:48 AM
For sure this was an interesting fight I think Zhilei Zhang was just a cherry-pick for Joe Joyce for sure but it became an upset fight as Zhilei Zhang won the fight Zhang has put a lost record for Joe Joyce, and so the 2nd fight will be this week

Zhang vs. Joyce 2

Saturday 09.23.2023 at 02:00 PM ET



Promotion: Queensberry Promotions
Ownership: Frank Warren
Venue: OVO Wembley Arena
Location: Wembley, London

MAIN EVENT
Zhilei Zhang VS Joe Joyce

Zhang vs Joyce actually going to be an interesting fight. I actually do not know which one is going to win this fight, to be honest. A lot of people are saying that Joe Joyce is going to win this fight. But I personally think that Zhang might actually be able to win the fight, again. Sure he is a little older, but I don't think that it's going to affect him too much. Both of them are definitely really good. I personally am going to support Zhang in this fight. But it is surely going to be a knockout to end this fight in my opinion. Not much to differentiate them from each other on paper though.
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September 18, 2023, 11:08:59 AM

Bivol I do agree that he seems to duck him, he doesn't want to fight him at 175 lbs because he is at a disadvantage basing on the result of the first fight. For Benavidez, Canelo says that he hasn't face anyone yet to be sort of worthy of Canelo's time so he just ignore him for the meantime.

However, it is just ironic though that he doesn't want to fight big fighters are 168 lbs - 175 lbs and yet goes for a super welterweight at best in Jermell Charlo and then have him to 2 weight class to fight him. So yeah, maybe at this point of his career, Canelo is looking for less risk but bigger rewards in terms of paycheck but not legacy.

Possible, as he knows that his time is already nearing to his retirement and to preserve your value in this line of business/sport you need to keep winning, less risk but fruitful money benefits, wise mindset from a fighter who bring lots of sale when making a fight, though not just for him but also for an opponent that he will deal his fight, sure profits just be inside sharing the ring with Canelo.

More on the money side as he already got his name on top, now he's just protecting what he needs to protect to keep his name up
and still gaining that hype in each fight that he may take.


He already knows that money will always follow him because he got his own country who will back him but he needed someone who also got a big name to make the equation more better and fit as that will generate him more profits compared if he will just have any fight against unknown boxers, like John Ryder for example who doesn't really ring a bell to any of our ears. I mean, it's quite obvious already since he's been cracked already and boxers will likely approach him to do the same thing.
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September 18, 2023, 10:23:41 AM
For sure this was an interesting fight I think Zhilei Zhang was just a cherry-pick for Joe Joyce for sure but it became an upset fight as Zhilei Zhang won the fight Zhang has put a lost record for Joe Joyce, and so the 2nd fight will be this week

Zhang vs. Joyce 2

Saturday 09.23.2023 at 02:00 PM ET



Promotion: Queensberry Promotions
Ownership: Frank Warren
Venue: OVO Wembley Arena
Location: Wembley, London

MAIN EVENT
Zhilei Zhang VS Joe Joyce

MAIN CARD
Anthony Yarde VS Ricky Summers
Ezra Taylor VS Joel McIntyre
Pierce O'Leary VS Kane Gardner
Moses Itauma VS Amine Boucetta
Aloys Junior VS Erik Nazaryan
Royston Barney Smith VS Ruslan Berchuk
Sam Noakes VS Carlos Perez
Zach Parker VS Khalid Graidia
Tommy Fletcher VS Alberto Tapia
Sean Noakes VS Lukasz Barabasz

All information are from TAPOLOGY: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/102201-zhang-vs-joyce-2
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September 18, 2023, 06:59:28 AM

Bivol I do agree that he seems to duck him, he doesn't want to fight him at 175 lbs because he is at a disadvantage basing on the result of the first fight. For Benavidez, Canelo says that he hasn't face anyone yet to be sort of worthy of Canelo's time so he just ignore him for the meantime.

However, it is just ironic though that he doesn't want to fight big fighters are 168 lbs - 175 lbs and yet goes for a super welterweight at best in Jermell Charlo and then have him to 2 weight class to fight him. So yeah, maybe at this point of his career, Canelo is looking for less risk but bigger rewards in terms of paycheck but not legacy.

Possible, as he knows that his time is already nearing to his retirement and to preserve your value in this line of business/sport you need to keep winning, less risk but fruitful money benefits, wise mindset from a fighter who bring lots of sale when making a fight, though not just for him but also for an opponent that he will deal his fight, sure profits just be inside sharing the ring with Canelo.

That's why Canelo is the cash cow of boxing, even if he lost to Bivol already, he has been the most sought after fighters above 147 lbs. Guys like Charlo, who is lucky to have land a fight with them and then David Benavidez are also looking to fight him.

More on the money side as he already got his name on top, now he's just protecting what he needs to protect to keep his name up
and still gaining that hype in each fight that he may take.

It might just be a couple more fights for Canelo, as he might be feeling that old age might have caught up with him. And so with that, he really be looking for like a $50-$100 Million per fight. So that when he retire, he will have a good life and his family are not going to be poor.
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September 18, 2023, 04:09:45 AM

Bivol I do agree that he seems to duck him, he doesn't want to fight him at 175 lbs because he is at a disadvantage basing on the result of the first fight. For Benavidez, Canelo says that he hasn't face anyone yet to be sort of worthy of Canelo's time so he just ignore him for the meantime.

However, it is just ironic though that he doesn't want to fight big fighters are 168 lbs - 175 lbs and yet goes for a super welterweight at best in Jermell Charlo and then have him to 2 weight class to fight him. So yeah, maybe at this point of his career, Canelo is looking for less risk but bigger rewards in terms of paycheck but not legacy.

Possible, as he knows that his time is already nearing to his retirement and to preserve your value in this line of business/sport you need to keep winning, less risk but fruitful money benefits, wise mindset from a fighter who bring lots of sale when making a fight, though not just for him but also for an opponent that he will deal his fight, sure profits just be inside sharing the ring with Canelo.

More on the money side as he already got his name on top, now he's just protecting what he needs to protect to keep his name up
and still gaining that hype in each fight that he may take.
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September 17, 2023, 09:19:11 PM
Canelo will definitely be favoured by the fans. And it is absolutely true that a lot of people know him, even the casual fans as well. But Crawford especially when compared to Canelo is definitely a little less popular in my opinion. But just because we are comparing which fighter is going to have bigger support, does not mean that the fight is not going to be interesting. The fight is really going to be interesting and both of them will be able to bring a lot of people to see this fight. It is I think we can say that this is a much-anticipated fight and the pay-per-view is surly going to be big for this one, if this happens, of course.

There is no need to have such comparison because we all know that Canelo have his whole country to back him in every fight he had, and he will have in the future while Crawford doesn't have that much as the whole USA is somehow divided because they also have their own picks and some of the fans from the US are also backing Canelo.

If only this fight will be determined by how many fans they have, I won't be surprised if Canelo got twice or thrice than Crawford. But since it won't be judged that way, there is only one way to find out and that is to let this two fight.

If these two end up fighting, it is surely going to be a bigger support for Canelo. And that is probably going to give him a good boost of confidence. Definitely, he is going to be the better fighter if this fight happens. But that is the bigger question, if this fight is going to happen or not.

The people in the USA cannot even decide if they are a man or a woman. And how can they decide which fighter to support? LOL. Jokes aside, I am not saying that people cannot have preferences of their own. But the people of the USA are not such a big fan of Crawford, as the Mexican people support Canelo.

Boost of confidence in-terms of the amount of people that will be supporting him in case their fight will be pushed through but it's still hard to say if it will happen or not because Canelo is still deciding whether he will accept the invitation or not because a fight against Crawford will not give him any benefits aside from the money that will on the pot once it will materialize. But for Crawford, he surely got nothing to lose because he doesn't have anything on that weight class aside from his record that is on the line.

And with the money reason I guess if it's really huge and both camps will negotiate in closing the deal maybe the fight can be pushed to happen, though you have valid reason in both sides for Canelo more on money and additional hypes to his career, while with Crawford it will have a much more favorable side if ever that he will win.

Let see if Canelo's camp will be willing to give Crawford a chance to fight him and see if whoever will be the winner, but money wise both will generate a decent amount of money.

Considering Canelo's movement nowadays, somehow, I can say that he's only in the for the money and just take advantage of anything while he is still sitting at the top holding all those four belts. But he only wanted a fight where he got the advantages, like Charlo for example, we don't know what will happen but we know that it won't be an easy one for Charlo because he got to climb a long way just to get Canelo's division, the same with Crawford if Canelo will accept it. But for the likes of Bivol and Benavidez? I don't think he is interested in those fights as it's more risky for him.

Bivol I do agree that he seems to duck him, he doesn't want to fight him at 175 lbs because he is at a disadvantage basing on the result of the first fight. For Benavidez, Canelo says that he hasn't face anyone yet to be sort of worthy of Canelo's time so he just ignore him for the meantime.

However, it is just ironic though that he doesn't want to fight big fighters are 168 lbs - 175 lbs and yet goes for a super welterweight at best in Jermell Charlo and then have him to 2 weight class to fight him. So yeah, maybe at this point of his career, Canelo is looking for less risk but bigger rewards in terms of paycheck but not legacy.
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September 17, 2023, 06:57:31 PM

If these two end up fighting, it is surely going to be a bigger support for Canelo. And that is probably going to give him a good boost of confidence. Definitely, he is going to be the better fighter if this fight happens. But that is the bigger question, if this fight is going to happen or not.

The people in the USA cannot even decide if they are a man or a woman. And how can they decide which fighter to support? LOL. Jokes aside, I am not saying that people cannot have preferences of their own. But the people of the USA are not such a big fan of Crawford, as the Mexican people support Canelo.

For sure the support and love of the different countries for boxing is truly like sticky rice, for Mexican and Filipino people as to people that love the sport so much whether it is Boxing or Basketball for sure and for sure the sport of boxing is like something more religious for both country and so the support of the people is pretty much stronger for sure,


Some fans may not accept the defeat of their fighter, so they'll keep making excuses, but that's normal. Eventually, they will be able to move on; it's just hard when it's still fresh. Crawford has already proven himself by beating Spence through TKO. Now, he is full of confidence and wants to fight another champion. He even aims to move up higher just to face Canelo. I think he really wants to make history of his own, so this kind of boxer is the one that has to be appreciated, as he doesn't cherry-pick opponents but instead fights the best.

For sure he wants to get into more fights and in getting fights that have larger money on their head and for sure his confidence rose when he won against Spence It is normal for boxers as they will surely match up their strength with the previous fighters that they fought and for sure Canelo is in a different level and a different amount of money when he won against him,

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September 17, 2023, 10:20:42 AM
Canelo will definitely be favoured by the fans. And it is absolutely true that a lot of people know him, even the casual fans as well. But Crawford especially when compared to Canelo is definitely a little less popular in my opinion. But just because we are comparing which fighter is going to have bigger support, does not mean that the fight is not going to be interesting. The fight is really going to be interesting and both of them will be able to bring a lot of people to see this fight. It is I think we can say that this is a much-anticipated fight and the pay-per-view is surly going to be big for this one, if this happens, of course.

There is no need to have such comparison because we all know that Canelo have his whole country to back him in every fight he had, and he will have in the future while Crawford doesn't have that much as the whole USA is somehow divided because they also have their own picks and some of the fans from the US are also backing Canelo.

If only this fight will be determined by how many fans they have, I won't be surprised if Canelo got twice or thrice than Crawford. But since it won't be judged that way, there is only one way to find out and that is to let this two fight.

If these two end up fighting, it is surely going to be a bigger support for Canelo. And that is probably going to give him a good boost of confidence. Definitely, he is going to be the better fighter if this fight happens. But that is the bigger question, if this fight is going to happen or not.

The people in the USA cannot even decide if they are a man or a woman. And how can they decide which fighter to support? LOL. Jokes aside, I am not saying that people cannot have preferences of their own. But the people of the USA are not such a big fan of Crawford, as the Mexican people support Canelo.

Boost of confidence in-terms of the amount of people that will be supporting him in case their fight will be pushed through but it's still hard to say if it will happen or not because Canelo is still deciding whether he will accept the invitation or not because a fight against Crawford will not give him any benefits aside from the money that will on the pot once it will materialize. But for Crawford, he surely got nothing to lose because he doesn't have anything on that weight class aside from his record that is on the line.

And with the money reason I guess if it's really huge and both camps will negotiate in closing the deal maybe the fight can be pushed to happen, though you have valid reason in both sides for Canelo more on money and additional hypes to his career, while with Crawford it will have a much more favorable side if ever that he will win.

Let see if Canelo's camp will be willing to give Crawford a chance to fight him and see if whoever will be the winner, but money wise both will generate a decent amount of money.

Considering Canelo's movement nowadays, somehow, I can say that he's only in the for the money and just take advantage of anything while he is still sitting at the top holding all those four belts. But he only wanted a fight where he got the advantages, like Charlo for example, we don't know what will happen but we know that it won't be an easy one for Charlo because he got to climb a long way just to get Canelo's division, the same with Crawford if Canelo will accept it. But for the likes of Bivol and Benavidez? I don't think he is interested in those fights as it's more risky for him.
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September 17, 2023, 09:57:35 AM
It's totally different though in the US specially in boxing since they have a lot of good fighters, and countries like Mexico, Puerto Rico or even Philippines really support their boxers no matter what.
So I do agree that Mexico is still behind Canelo even if others think that he is sliding down a bit, just like Manny Pacquaio during his reign.
There will be time that Father time will caught up with this legendary boxers, but still the fans and the whole nation will be behind them.
As for Crawford, he will have his die hard fans, just like what they show in the Spence fight.
And some of them might be keyboard warriors too. But we will have to wait what will be the results of Canelo vs Charlo fight first.
Manny Pacquiao will always be supported by Filipino people even though he will be fighting again a boxer like the Korean DK Yoo for entertainment. It's all about thanking him for all the medals and awards that he gave to us.
Canelo will have the same impact on the Mexican people. They don't really have much bullet left in both boxing and UFC with Grasso fighting this weekend. So, they will support every Mexican that will fight in popular rings like Canelo and Grasso.
Crawford will be the issue here since he showed more drama than acts. I think Canelo's camp will accept anything by now with Canelo thinking about retirement in 4 years. The only truth I could see is his camp will take advantage of his strength while he is not yet weak.
I don't see any drama though for Crawford, I mean he has been chasing big fights, specially Spence for many years and it's just that after his victory, they are still fans who can't accept him as pound for pound or at least the best welterweight.
And he is still chasing more legacy, looking for a Canelo fight that will really put his name above anyone.
He also has some beef to settle against Charlo, so he will be busy for the next 2 years looking for great fights and obviously for the money itself.
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September 17, 2023, 08:49:59 AM

Are you referring to the Paul Brothers? If I'm not mistaken, there fight is not or cannot be considered as a pro boxing fight. I mean for us it is still a exhibition matches. And this guys are fighting like ex-MMA or any other ex-sports athletes for that matter.

And for me they are just looking for money as they are influencers and we can see that the Paul brothers are milking this business since they started this whole exhibitions matches. And to their opponents, they are also making good money as well even after they retired.

Yeah, that could be true. I actually don't even think that all the beef going on between the Paul Brothers are actually real. They are just doing so for the views and so that the product they are trying to sell gets more reach. Well, what can you expect from someone who is a scammer? I am talking about Logan Paul and his Crypto Scam.


Do you guys think that those people who are influencers turned boxers sometimes do not get the recognition or the appreciation that they should get, just because they already had a platform? Sometimes I think those people who are influencer and trying to fight does not get people to look at them seriously.

It is also actually a really good idea to support Inoue. I think he is definitely going to do it correctly. Don’t get me wrong. The choice is definitely hard. But I think he is the better one in this comparison.

Influencers who became boxers don't get much recognition from real boxing fans because they have not earned it. Jake Paul, who is the most famous of these influencers, turned pro almost 4 years ago and his only win against a fighter with a winning record was against a nearly 50 year old Anderson Silva. These fighters don't take the sport seriously. As long as they can get easy money based on their fame we will continue to see these farcical cherry-picked fights.

This was the way for Jake Paul too. Make a name in boxing. Now he is trying to fight against MMA fighters.  But those people who he is fighting against are not professional anymore in my eyes. Those fighters are well past their prime, and Jake Paul is currently in his peak Physical condition right now.  So yes, there is always going to be a little less seriousness about him in people's eyes.
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September 17, 2023, 04:21:57 AM


It's totally different though in the US specially in boxing since they have a lot of good fighters, and countries like Mexico, Puerto Rico or even Philippines really support their boxers no matter what.
So I do agree that Mexico is still behind Canelo even if others think that he is sliding down a bit, just like Manny Pacquaio during his reign.
There will be time that Father time will caught up with this legendary boxers, but still the fans and the whole nation will be behind them.
As for Crawford, he will have his die hard fans, just like what they show in the Spence fight.
And some of them might be keyboard warriors too. But we will have to wait what will be the results of Canelo vs Charlo fight first.

I think keyboard warriors are not real fans. I don’t know how people are going to react to this statement of mine. But I think those who understand will understand. And those people who are going to be opposing of this idea of mine, are going to be the keyboard warriors. They are just capable of trash talking on "X", nothing else. So I don’t think the keyboard warriors are actually real fans.

I think Canelo is going to win against Charlo. Of course, this is not 100% certain. But I think that is going to be the end result of that fight.

For me they are real fans, I mean they want to argue with anyone thru their keyboards, even with boxers themselves. I remember that Crawford is replying to some die hard fans of Spence after he beat him.

They saying that Spence had and coming from an injury and that he is weight drain. Of course you will have to understand this keyboard warrior fans, but sometimes it's just so ridiculous to argue with them.

Keyboard warriors is different, these are the kind of people who are hiding behind the screen while saying what they want to say and bash anyone they wanted to bash but the thing is, they are saying the opposite thing whenever they are in the public. That is why they are called as a keyboard warrior.

So, if these people are supporting this boxer and saying another boxer in the public just to avoid getting bashed then he or she is a keyboard warrior. But if he or she is saying the same thing whenever they are behind the screen or in public, then we can say, without a doubt, that they are indeed a real fan. Moreover, they won't be wasting some time if they are really not a supporter.

Well we can have our definition of keyword warriors,  I mean of course they have their names of several platforms like Facebook and Twitter and saying the same thing. So for me, they are keyboard warriors because everywhere you go they are consistent.

But I'm not sure about those fans who says the opposite in public, Lol, if that is the case then you can't even call them boxing fans or fans in general because they twist or go to the opposite when they are confronted on public? That is the worst of the fans for sure.
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September 17, 2023, 04:14:04 AM
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For me they are real fans, I mean they want to argue with anyone thru their keyboards, even with boxers themselves. I remember that Crawford is replying to some die hard fans of Spence after he beat him.

They saying that Spence had and coming from an injury and that he is weight drain. Of course you will have to understand this keyboard warrior fans, but sometimes it's just so ridiculous to argue with them.

Keyboard warriors is different, these are the kind of people who are hiding behind the screen while saying what they want to say and bash anyone they wanted to bash but the thing is, they are saying the opposite thing whenever they are in the public. That is why they are called as a keyboard warrior.

So, if these people are supporting this boxer and saying another boxer in the public just to avoid getting bashed then he or she is a keyboard warrior. But if he or she is saying the same thing whenever they are behind the screen or in public, then we can say, without a doubt, that they are indeed a real fan. Moreover, they won't be wasting some time if they are really not a supporter.

Real fans actually do not argue about who is better and who is worse. Let me give you an example. I think everyone knows the names of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. Right now a lot of people are going to say that Lionel Messi is a better player. As a fan of Cristiano Ronaldo, I am not going to argue about it at this time. But if this was 2021, I would've definitely said that both of them are the best players in the world and both of them are very different compared to each other. And just because I like Cristiano Ronaldo, it does not mean that I have to hate Lionel Messi or I cannot say that Lionel Messi cannot play.

But what the keyboard warriors do is that they take a side and they want to say, their opinion is the best opinion, no matter what the other people are saying, and no matter what the statistic is.

In my opinion, a real fan is a person who will support his favorite athlete, especially when the athlete is not performing well. Because that is the time when he needs the support.
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It's totally different though in the US specially in boxing since they have a lot of good fighters, and countries like Mexico, Puerto Rico or even Philippines really support their boxers no matter what.
So I do agree that Mexico is still behind Canelo even if others think that he is sliding down a bit, just like Manny Pacquaio during his reign.
There will be time that Father time will caught up with this legendary boxers, but still the fans and the whole nation will be behind them.
As for Crawford, he will have his die hard fans, just like what they show in the Spence fight.
And some of them might be keyboard warriors too. But we will have to wait what will be the results of Canelo vs Charlo fight first.

I think keyboard warriors are not real fans. I don’t know how people are going to react to this statement of mine. But I think those who understand will understand. And those people who are going to be opposing of this idea of mine, are going to be the keyboard warriors. They are just capable of trash talking on "X", nothing else. So I don’t think the keyboard warriors are actually real fans.

I think Canelo is going to win against Charlo. Of course, this is not 100% certain. But I think that is going to be the end result of that fight.

For me they are real fans, I mean they want to argue with anyone thru their keyboards, even with boxers themselves. I remember that Crawford is replying to some die hard fans of Spence after he beat him.

They saying that Spence had and coming from an injury and that he is weight drain. Of course you will have to understand this keyboard warrior fans, but sometimes it's just so ridiculous to argue with them.

Keyboard warriors is different, these are the kind of people who are hiding behind the screen while saying what they want to say and bash anyone they wanted to bash but the thing is, they are saying the opposite thing whenever they are in the public. That is why they are called as a keyboard warrior.

So, if these people are supporting this boxer and saying another boxer in the public just to avoid getting bashed then he or she is a keyboard warrior. But if he or she is saying the same thing whenever they are behind the screen or in public, then we can say, without a doubt, that they are indeed a real fan. Moreover, they won't be wasting some time if they are really not a supporter.
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September 16, 2023, 10:34:48 AM
Do you guys think that those people who are influencers turned boxers sometimes do not get the recognition or the appreciation that they should get, just because they already had a platform? Sometimes I think those people who are influencer and trying to fight does not get people to look at them seriously.

It is also actually a really good idea to support Inoue. I think he is definitely going to do it correctly. Don’t get me wrong. The choice is definitely hard. But I think he is the better one in this comparison.

Influencers who became boxers don't get much recognition from real boxing fans because they have not earned it. Jake Paul, who is the most famous of these influencers, turned pro almost 4 years ago and his only win against a fighter with a winning record was against a nearly 50 year old Anderson Silva. These fighters don't take the sport seriously. As long as they can get easy money based on their fame we will continue to see these farcical cherry-picked fights.
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It's totally different though in the US specially in boxing since they have a lot of good fighters, and countries like Mexico, Puerto Rico or even Philippines really support their boxers no matter what.
So I do agree that Mexico is still behind Canelo even if others think that he is sliding down a bit, just like Manny Pacquaio during his reign.
There will be time that Father time will caught up with this legendary boxers, but still the fans and the whole nation will be behind them.
As for Crawford, he will have his die hard fans, just like what they show in the Spence fight.
And some of them might be keyboard warriors too. But we will have to wait what will be the results of Canelo vs Charlo fight first.

I think keyboard warriors are not real fans. I don’t know how people are going to react to this statement of mine. But I think those who understand will understand. And those people who are going to be opposing of this idea of mine, are going to be the keyboard warriors. They are just capable of trash talking on "X", nothing else. So I don’t think the keyboard warriors are actually real fans.

I think Canelo is going to win against Charlo. Of course, this is not 100% certain. But I think that is going to be the end result of that fight.

For me they are real fans, I mean they want to argue with anyone thru their keyboards, even with boxers themselves. I remember that Crawford is replying to some die hard fans of Spence after he beat him.

They saying that Spence had and coming from an injury and that he is weight drain. Of course you will have to understand this keyboard warrior fans, but sometimes it's just so ridiculous to argue with them.

Some fans may not accept the defeat of their fighter, so they'll keep making excuses, but that's normal. Eventually, they will be able to move on; it's just hard when it's still fresh. Crawford has already proven himself by beating Spence through TKO. Now, he is full of confidence and wants to fight another champion. He even aims to move up higher just to face Canelo. I think he really wants to make history of his own, so this kind of boxer is the one that has to be appreciated, as he doesn't cherry-pick opponents but instead fights the best.

Yes, similar to what happened to Manny against Marquez, for fans, it's hard to see him on the floor as Manny was about to win that fight, but things happened in boxing and as what we have said, just once punch and the fight will change.

Same with Canelo, he has the whole country of Mexico behind him, so it's hard for them to see him lost against Bivol and they gave a lot of excuses. Nevertheless, Canelo knows this and he doesn't want his fans to be disappointed again against Charlo. It might be a very though fight for him, but for sure, he will be motivated to silence his critics and win his fans again.
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Tank Davis is just at the same level as Errol Spence in terms of fan base and popularity. The difference is Ryan Garcia is not just a popular prospect but is also a social media influencer. Terrence Crawford's previous PPV numbers were inferior to Spence's. So it was kind of expected from the start that they wouldn't be breaking the Tank-Kingry PPV buys. I don't see anything special during the Tank-Kingry fight. They're both not world champions and the fight was not a title fight. It was no epic and it will be forgotten in the years to come. It's just that their duel was able to take the casuals hence the figures but the Bud-Spence fight will always be remembered in the years to come.

I think Canelo is still the biggest name in the sport so he and Bud will most likely reach a million PPV buys. But the Canelo-Jermell this month-end I also doubt that the fight will reach a million PPV buys.
I'm saying something, both Tank Davis and Spence have Dropped a lot in popularity , but Spence has lost a lot, not only has he lost popularity because when things are about reputation, things are usually quite strong, because when we think about what Many people can make them buy, because in Spence everything he talked about was something that they always respected and followed his lead, now they don't even see him as if he were a Weakling , and what he should do is stand up At the level , Crawford still told him that if he was going to give him revenge and I don't think he will make him Wait 3 years like he made him wait , Why ? because in that Sense Crawford has much more Humility, because he knows what happened to him, then things are like that, and now he wants his next fight to be for Inoue ocn INoue so that the purchases overflow, and that fight will be a of the great Boxing bombs, in particular I didn't know Who to Choose , I think I would Lean Towards Inoue , although right now I saw Crawford with a great level and I found it difficult for someone to beat him, he wanted to finish the fight when he wanted, no when he had to , that was to give a little warning to Spence, who still came out but couldn't do much, this happens when a boxer takes and Underestimates another a lot, Spence, with all his humility, always spoke as if Crawford had been very inferior, and That's something you shouldn't do, especially in this sport where all the humiliation is only for you, but Sometimes you have to know how to Measure the Emotions...

With respect to García, it is Known that he is an influencer boxer, and since he is at an adequate level to be his weight, age, everything he can Obtain , we know that whatever he can imagine in putting himself up is very probable that he I did it, with Canelo, because we all know that They have Many fans, they have a lot of affection for him, once for what he shows, opr as he is, these boxers in particular have something they like and that's why it's the Support.

Do you guys think that those people who are influencers turned boxers sometimes do not get the recognition or the appreciation that they should get, just because they already had a platform? Sometimes I think those people who are influencer and trying to fight does not get people to look at them seriously.

It is also actually a really good idea to support Inoue. I think he is definitely going to do it correctly. Don’t get me wrong. The choice is definitely hard. But I think he is the better one in this comparison.
Are you referring to the Paul Brothers? If I'm not mistaken, there fight is not or cannot be considered as a pro boxing fight. I mean for us it is still a exhibition matches. And this guys are fighting like ex-MMA or any other ex-sports athletes for that matter.

And for me they are just looking for money as they are influencers and we can see that the Paul brothers are milking this business since they started this whole exhibitions matches. And to their opponents, they are also making good money as well even after they retired.
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September 15, 2023, 11:05:41 PM
Tank Davis is just at the same level as Errol Spence in terms of fan base and popularity. The difference is Ryan Garcia is not just a popular prospect but is also a social media influencer. Terrence Crawford's previous PPV numbers were inferior to Spence's. So it was kind of expected from the start that they wouldn't be breaking the Tank-Kingry PPV buys. I don't see anything special during the Tank-Kingry fight. They're both not world champions and the fight was not a title fight. It was no epic and it will be forgotten in the years to come. It's just that their duel was able to take the casuals hence the figures but the Bud-Spence fight will always be remembered in the years to come.

I think Canelo is still the biggest name in the sport so he and Bud will most likely reach a million PPV buys. But the Canelo-Jermell this month-end I also doubt that the fight will reach a million PPV buys.
I'm saying something, both Tank Davis and Spence have Dropped a lot in popularity , but Spence has lost a lot, not only has he lost popularity because when things are about reputation, things are usually quite strong, because when we think about what Many people can make them buy, because in Spence everything he talked about was something that they always respected and followed his lead, now they don't even see him as if he were a Weakling , and what he should do is stand up At the level , Crawford still told him that if he was going to give him revenge and I don't think he will make him Wait 3 years like he made him wait , Why ? because in that Sense Crawford has much more Humility, because he knows what happened to him, then things are like that, and now he wants his next fight to be for Inoue ocn INoue so that the purchases overflow, and that fight will be a of the great Boxing bombs, in particular I didn't know Who to Choose , I think I would Lean Towards Inoue , although right now I saw Crawford with a great level and I found it difficult for someone to beat him, he wanted to finish the fight when he wanted, no when he had to , that was to give a little warning to Spence, who still came out but couldn't do much, this happens when a boxer takes and Underestimates another a lot, Spence, with all his humility, always spoke as if Crawford had been very inferior, and That's something you shouldn't do, especially in this sport where all the humiliation is only for you, but Sometimes you have to know how to Measure the Emotions...

With respect to García, it is Known that he is an influencer boxer, and since he is at an adequate level to be his weight, age, everything he can Obtain , we know that whatever he can imagine in putting himself up is very probable that he I did it, with Canelo, because we all know that They have Many fans, they have a lot of affection for him, once for what he shows, opr as he is, these boxers in particular have something they like and that's why it's the Support.

Do you guys think that those people who are influencers turned boxers sometimes do not get the recognition or the appreciation that they should get, just because they already had a platform? Sometimes I think those people who are influencer and trying to fight does not get people to look at them seriously.

It is also actually a really good idea to support Inoue. I think he is definitely going to do it correctly. Don’t get me wrong. The choice is definitely hard. But I think he is the better one in this comparison.
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September 15, 2023, 09:24:55 PM

We thought that the Crawford vs Spence might be a much bigger fight than Garcia vs Davis but when it comes to PPV buys, their digits aren't really close to somehow chase the latter's fight on what they did. But yes, I agree, if ever a Crawford vs Canelo fight will happen, there is a good chance that it will be much bigger than them and it could be the biggest fight of the decade as well. How's that?

Yeah, the hypes of Spence vs Crawford are not that much compared with Davis and Garcia. Personal thought is because fans ain't interested
with Spence dramas, it has been long delayed.

Same with you, Canelo's fan based might bring that money plus the fact that interest if how Crawford will try to snatch the belt under Canelos possession.

We need more updates regarding to any possibility of this possible match up to take place,.
Davis and Garcia are two favorite fighters with undefeated records so it natural that their hype is bigger than Spence vs Crawford.
But in the last meeting Davis and Garcia ended in a very fierce battle and the two of them fought in a very epic way where they threw hook punches to knock each other out and in the end Davis managed to make a fatal hook which made Garcia fall to the ground in pain until the referee decided not to continue the fight and Davis earned a knockout win over Garcia.

Canelo Alvarez himself will fight against Jermell Charlo on September 30 for the super middleweight belt and Crawford stated that he would be a challenger for the winner of that fight and Crawford is preparing to move up in weight and jump to super middleweight to fight for the title in that class.

I don't know what the certainty of Crawford statement is but it seems difficult for him to easily take over the super middleweight class in his first fight when this wish is actually achieved.

Tank Davis is just at the same level as Errol Spence in terms of fan base and popularity. The difference is Ryan Garcia is not just a popular prospect but is also a social media influencer. Terrence Crawford's previous PPV numbers were inferior to Spence's. So it was kind of expected from the start that they wouldn't be breaking the Tank-Kingry PPV buys. I don't see anything special during the Tank-Kingry fight. They're both not world champions and the fight was not a title fight. It was no epic and it will be forgotten in the years to come. It's just that their duel was able to take the casuals hence the figures but the Bud-Spence fight will always be remembered in the years to come.

I think Canelo is still the biggest name in the sport so he and Bud will most likely reach a million PPV buys. But the Canelo-Jermell this month-end I also doubt that the fight will reach a million PPV buys.
I'm saying something, both Tank Davis and Spence have Dropped a lot in popularity , but Spence has lost a lot, not only has he lost popularity because when things are about reputation, things are usually quite strong, because when we think about what Many people can make them buy, because in Spence everything he talked about was something that they always respected and followed his lead, now they don't even see him as if he were a Weakling , and what he should do is stand up At the level , Crawford still told him that if he was going to give him revenge and I don't think he will make him Wait 3 years like he made him wait , Why ? because in that Sense Crawford has much more Humility, because he knows what happened to him, then things are like that, and now he wants his next fight to be for Inoue ocn INoue so that the purchases overflow, and that fight will be a of the great Boxing bombs, in particular I didn't know Who to Choose , I think I would Lean Towards Inoue , although right now I saw Crawford with a great level and I found it difficult for someone to beat him, he wanted to finish the fight when he wanted, no when he had to , that was to give a little warning to Spence, who still came out but couldn't do much, this happens when a boxer takes and Underestimates another a lot, Spence, with all his humility, always spoke as if Crawford had been very inferior, and That's something you shouldn't do, especially in this sport where all the humiliation is only for you, but Sometimes you have to know how to Measure the Emotions...

With respect to García, it is Known that he is an influencer boxer, and since he is at an adequate level to be his weight, age, everything he can Obtain , we know that whatever he can imagine in putting himself up is very probable that he I did it, with Canelo, because we all know that They have Many fans, they have a lot of affection for him, once for what he shows, opr as he is, these boxers in particular have something they like and that's why it's the Support.
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September 15, 2023, 12:30:14 PM
It's totally different though in the US specially in boxing since they have a lot of good fighters, and countries like Mexico, Puerto Rico or even Philippines really support their boxers no matter what.
So I do agree that Mexico is still behind Canelo even if others think that he is sliding down a bit, just like Manny Pacquaio during his reign.
There will be time that Father time will caught up with this legendary boxers, but still the fans and the whole nation will be behind them.
As for Crawford, he will have his die hard fans, just like what they show in the Spence fight.
And some of them might be keyboard warriors too. But we will have to wait what will be the results of Canelo vs Charlo fight first.
Manny Pacquiao will always be supported by Filipino people even though he will be fighting again a boxer like the Korean DK Yoo for entertainment. It's all about thanking him for all the medals and awards that he gave to us.
Canelo will have the same impact on the Mexican people. They don't really have much bullet left in both boxing and UFC with Grasso fighting this weekend. So, they will support every Mexican that will fight in popular rings like Canelo and Grasso.
Crawford will be the issue here since he showed more drama than acts. I think Canelo's camp will accept anything by now with Canelo thinking about retirement in 4 years. The only truth I could see is his camp will take advantage of his strength while he is not yet weak.
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