Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 59. (Read 31627 times)

Oh yeah, that's one reason too, psyche war. Like what Gervonta Davis did with Ryan Garcia, he said he had nothing else in his arsenal than his left hook and I think that went to the head of Garcia and he lost his focus on the fight.
But Devin Haney is not doing any countermeasures yet, maybe he is not taking this seriously, no effects, and he knows this is just another strategy to lose his focus.
I have been following his X account (formerly Twitter) and all I can see are praises to Allah and some positive vibes. I guess he won't be telling anything anytime and he will just show everything in their fight.

Here is the war of words.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1606533/devin-haney-denies-stunning-claim-regis-prograis-secret-loss/

"More people know about his secret." Yet we haven't seen facts about it. Devin Haney fought mostly in recorded fights so there must be a copy of that lost somewhere and yet nothing is floating. Prograis must've got a gossip only and it mostly ends up a gossip too.

I don't think that it will kill the career of Haney though, in the promotion leading up to a fight, there will be a lot of trash talking, and it could be very personal for some boxers or they attack their opponent personally to get inside their head, this is called "psyche war". So if you are the receiving end, like in this case, Devin Haney, it's either it will go in your mind or just let it go and focus on the fight.

Otherwise if you are affected psychologically, then you might have lost the fight already because it will go inside your mind. So in Haney's case, he is just laughing it out. As for Regis, it's a good strategy to come up with this kind of accusations, with or without proved.

And like the reply above you chance that it's also part of the marketing to bring more interested with the fighter's schedule fight to earn more ticket sales, but yeah, bringing someone down and killing his career that's something that needed to have solid proof and evidences before spreading bad news about the fighter, without the evidence the other party can sue you with libel case.

It's something that needed to make sure before posting it online where more people will see and will follow and most will believe with this negative criticism.

I haven't seen or watch the podcast of Teddy Atlas though but I don't think we need to blame the promoters. I'm not defending them, but still it works both ways. Networks like Showtime make money too depending on who is on the fight itself. So I do not see any analogy with ICO scammers, for me it's totally different.

Of course, promoters will have to make money and the Networks will have to balance itself. And the promoters then will have to satisfy their boxers, otherwise they might jump ship and go to other promoters. But yes, very sad news, but boxing is a business and we might see a new player like what DAZN.

Showtime is the network trying to convince us that Tank Davis is a champion in many divisions because of all these BS interim belts he won from the corrupt WBA. In fact, many PBC on Showtime fights had some sort of WBA title at stake. They legitimized these scammy organizations and are paying the price for it. Haymon will probably manage to get a deal with another network only to leave them holding the bag for these overpaid phony champions.

This is certainly sad news. This announcement was also mentioned in Teddy Atlas' podcast and he expressed the blame on the promoters. It was very much similar to what I have said about much of these boxing events being similar to scam ICOs where the promoters hype the ICO, collect the money then dump on their own customers hehehehe.

These ICO scammers do not add anything to the cryptospace and similar to some of these events, they do not add anything to the sport of boxing.

Yeah, first of all, I do not want anyone to actually believe this 'trust me bro' level of source. If you are making such a big scene by saying something which is going to affect the career of a man a lot, you should definitely make sure that the source is really good. But in this case all we got is just like I said, trust me bro. honestly, that is never good enough. You are trying to almost kill the career of a player. And you don't have even given a proper source. If anything, the burden of proof should still be on him because he is the one who has spread the news. But I think we all know that it is not what will happen.

Right, I think some of us here grow watching HBO and Showtime Boxing events, and we would forget the biggest PPV on them all, the Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather. Because if I'm not mistaken, it was the first time that this two giant networks back then work hand in hand to bring this fight as Manny fight on HBO while Floyd is on Showtime platform.

But I guess nothing runs forever, and yeah it's interesting who is the option now, DAZN is newly established and then we still have ESPN but it's not as big as the other two networks. Perhaps the PPV was killed by illegal streamers and so they didn't get as much money as they want or as they used to be.

After 37 years. Ouch!
Just to add more information about the network shutdown, here is an article from ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/38679355/sources-show-exiting-boxing-nearly-4-decades


Indeed it will be sad that one more network is down and let us wish that DAZN and ESPN can somehow facilitate all the boxing events especially the big ones in the upcoming years.
Thank you for reminding me about HBO, indeed they are also one of the most known networks with so much boxing history that was shown in their program.
We tend to forget but whenever someone will brought up about their names we can reminisce the times when we are used to watching at their channels. 

Anyway, I bet some company out there is already planning to do the same business so we will see in the future another channel that would also help boost the sport.

Bad news and for sure there are people who will be affected after this, though there's no option as the company needs to balance their expenses
against the income that possible to come up and see if what will be the best option.

They pick to close out or to move forward taking it out from their network, I guess it will affect those people who loves watching PPV though most of
the time now there are online platforms that will offer it illegally.

^Yes, I remember that when HBO announces that they are living the boxing business for good. They have been reducing their budget and the reasons is the declining viewership. However, I think Stephen Espinoza of HBO then went to Sho after that and I thought it's all good. But I will speculate that it's the same reason though, maybe the overhead cause from business perspective is too big for even a company like Sho and obviously they are not making money out of the last 5 years after HBO department as their competitor. And for sure, there are people that are going to lose their jobs because of this bad news for the boxing industry. Yes, we still have DAZN and ESPN, or many a new company that will take over the cable viewership for boxing's biggest sporting event.

This is a sad day for boxing,


https://twitter.com/DanRafael1/status/1714320545985003771

Well first it was HBO Sports stopped operating after 45 years in 2018. And now after 5 years, Showtime Sports had followed suit. We all know that this two competing to give us the best boxing in the last couple of decade.

Hopefully DAZN or even ESPN can carry the mantle after this sad news.

That's true.
And Regis Prograis is not even telling where he got the information or if he has the proof to say so. He wants Devin Haney to do it himself and plead guilty in public. I doubt that will happen. There's a chance Prograis is just creating this story and how I wish Haney can come back to him and sue him with something else because of humiliation or like you say, tarnishing his name. Libel.

This is actually one problem with social media today, they will easily believe what rumors are coming out without even researching the root of it and facts if it is true. "Judge first, proofs later. If they are wrong, say sorry." That's the kind of new tradition that is happening now and this ain't actually the first time.
One reason that I see why they do this is the marketing strategy. Put someone's name in the trend and you will trend too, then they will sell more tickets and PPV in the future.
Their fight is two months away, they better make more ruckus if the tickets are not sold out yet.

Totally just an excuse i should say because if he was really that be underestimating someone then it would really be just that right that we would be able to see a total humiliations out of those fights but we are totally that seeing the different outcome. If he said that he didnt trained that much then it is really that clear that he's that too confident but its true that this is something a quality of a fighter on which i dont really like on which being too boastful and really that too confident but really that totally opposite on what he is really that showing into boxing fans on which the poor performance he does have despite on having a win.
If he is really just that honest then it wont really be that bad to admit out that he lacks stamina, the boxing fans arent that dumb on not to notice which is something that too obvious.

Sooner or later i wont really be shocked if Casimeros career would really be over just because of being that too boastful and something that too confident. He wont really be leading to nowhere.
Some do like this character but majority is really that going to the opposite side.I would definitely say that he doesnt really still stood a chance against Inoue
if ever this one would fight or meet up on the ring. There's no way that he could be able to get in level on how Inoue fights.

Yes, I read this accusations by Regis. But Haney says that the insinuation came from the camp of Rolly Romero (another 140 lbs champion). But then again this is just a rumor and nothing can be proven here. There's even speculation that Canelo also go this route early in his career as he suffer a lot but then we don't see it in his records.

I'm not sure about unbeaten records though, Loma for once have a questionable L in the beginning of his career. But he bounce back and become a champion and one of the best. But even after a lost against Teo Lopez, he bounce back again. The problem with Ryan is mental though, we all know that he has the potential to be a great champion, however, it seems that he is more on a social media type guy and wanted to take advantage of his popularity and just looking for bigger purse. He will have his comeback fight though, so we will see what's next for him at 140 lbs.

It was a shame that this fight ended up with a draw and it was because of the accidental headbutt sure many didn't like the result mostly the fans of Casimero, and with the recent interview on the post-fight I really didn't like what John Riel Casimero's explanation regarding the fight that he is having a hard time with the fight against Naoya Inoue's training partner for me that was just an excused,


For sure the camp of Inoue knows what John Riel Casimero can put on the table and if Casimero doesn't prove that he is worth the time then there will be no fight between the two for sure, but still, if they do fight I want to see it, but for me Naoya Inoue is now a bigger fighter than when he once fought Nonito Donaire as his speed and power is for sure on a high level now,

I do not understand why people currently have an idea of thinking that the people who got accused are criminals before being proven. Yes, he got accused that he had paid to remove a loss from his carrier. But I don't think that has been proven yet. And until it gets proven, I don't think there is any reason to say that he actually did it. As far as I know, Everyone in the West believes in innocent until proven guilty right? So let's give him a chance, and if it actually gets proven, people can talk trash about him. Otherwise, there is no reason for people to actually say all these things about him. Because his image is going to get tarnished even if he is not guilty.

It's a huge accusation.
Regis Prograis Says Devin Haney Paid To Remove Loss On His Record
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/regis-prograis-says-devin-haney-paid-to-remove-loss-on-his-record/
For now, it's a gossip. He "heard" it.
I've read that having 0 loss is a good thing because of the money that will come in. But if fans of Devin Haney do love him then it should not change anything. Although it may put a crack on his reputation if proven true. Whoever is handling the records must also be sued if he is really taking money from boxers who like to keep their record clean.
That might be true. Ryan Garcia is a good example of it. Suddenly the hype about him is gone and I don't think whoever he challenges will accept a contract where Garcia will take a bigger portion of it after his loss against Davis, and worse a KO liver punch.
I think Manny Pacquiao in his era is also an exception because he may have lost a lot of fights but because of the record that he broke he should be paid more than other boxers.
This kind of things just depends on how popular the boxer is, for starters though a loss will hurt their slice of the cake.

That is very bad mentality if you have to ask me. As a boxer and he was given a good chance by his Japanese promoter to fight in Japan and maybe offered good money as well. But saying that he is not motivated to train just because he doesn't like his opponent? It could be the start of his downfall if he will think of it if by chance he will not face Inoue or any of the top rank boxers in the division. He bolted out of MP, but it looks like the problem is with Casimero though. I mean he might think that he can go on like this, being boastful. He is not getting any younger so he should be carefully thinking of his career and make it a priority and become a world champion again. Yes, it will be interesting if he can get Nery to fight him next and see if his motivation is back.

I heard his interview regarding his fight, and it seems like he still did not admit that he lacks stamina, or maybe he admitted it but not directly. What he said is that he didn't have the motivation to train because Inoue wasn't his opponent. In short, he underestimated his opponent, leading to his poor performance in that fight. I don't know if that was just an excuse, but if he was telling the truth, then I think he is quite arrogant, thinking his opponent is not on his level. Maybe he should change his approach. It's okay to talk trash against opponents, but he needs to make sure he also shows some impressive wins against his opponents.

I also saw a Facebook post that when he signed with his new promoter, he was promised fights against Inoue, Donaire, and Nery. However, what happened is he fought lower-level fighters like Ryo Akaho, Fillipus Nghitumbwa, and Yukinori Oguni, none of which he won impressively.