Boycott of Chinese products and economic relations - when ?

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Quote from: ultrloa on December 19, 2024, 05:53:43 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on December 19, 2024, 01:24:15 AM

I'll also expand on the boycott issue. A friend came from India (he is an Indian citizen, he has his own business in Ukraine), he told me that in India they are actively demolishing mosques, and how can I put it so softly - they are severely limiting the rights of the bearers of the Muslim faith. Question - when will the Arab world declare a boycott of Indian products? Or is this boycott a selective trend, and is connected only with the “party line” - whoever they order to boycott, they will boycott? .....

Actually I'm not a fan about boycott a product thing or anything that can directly hit other innocent people which is not involve on those chaos. Yeah they get something from those products produce by companies and release overseas, but that doesn't mean its good to boycott them since the one will get affected on this is those people who doesn't want any trouble and just want to survive by working on those companies.

If people have problem related to those matters maybe they should call out the government and criticized those actions made by the people who commit those mistakes. Since its not good to generalize everything and include everyone on the sin commit by few individuals.

The point of the thread and the key issue isn't much different than what you're talking about. The key issue is that some people pass off their selective primitive envy and bitterness as “active position” and “struggle”. And this is an example when Israel “for oppressing Muslims should be boycotted”, but if you start talking about China and India for similar - “we don't notice any problems”.... You see - here not a single “principled defender of the rights of brothers in faith” has said a single word, because he realizes that he has nothing to say, and they understand perfectly well that this is not a “struggle for rights”, but they are just someone set on a certain object, and they obediently and thoughtlessly perform this role

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Quote from: DrBeer on December 19, 2024, 01:24:15 AM

I'll also expand on the boycott issue. A friend came from India (he is an Indian citizen, he has his own business in Ukraine), he told me that in India they are actively demolishing mosques, and how can I put it so softly - they are severely limiting the rights of the bearers of the Muslim faith. Question - when will the Arab world declare a boycott of Indian products? Or is this boycott a selective trend, and is connected only with the “party line” - whoever they order to boycott, they will boycott? .....

Actually I'm not a fan about boycott a product thing or anything that can directly hit other innocent people which is not involve on those chaos. Yeah they get something from those products produce by companies and release overseas, but that doesn't mean its good to boycott them since the one will get affected on this is those people who doesn't want any trouble and just want to survive by working on those companies.

If people have problem related to those matters maybe they should call out the government and criticized those actions made by the people who commit those mistakes. Since its not good to generalize everything and include everyone on the sin commit by few individuals.

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I'll also expand on the boycott issue. A friend came from India (he is an Indian citizen, he has his own business in Ukraine), he told me that in India they are actively demolishing mosques, and how can I put it so softly - they are severely limiting the rights of the bearers of the Muslim faith. Question - when will the Arab world declare a boycott of Indian products? Or is this boycott a selective trend, and is connected only with the “party line” - whoever they order to boycott, they will boycott? .....

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Attempts to “colonize” the countries of Africa and its nearest neighbors do not seem to have brought the expected results, well, or the scale of problems in the Chinese economy has reached enormous proportions. The way out is to increase the national debt....

“China is considering next week approving the issuance of more than 10 trillion yuan ($1.4 trillion) of additional debt over the next few years to revive its fragile economy, Reuters reports.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/reaction-reuters-report-chinas-stimulus-plans-2024-10-29/

YES, today the government debt is a kind of “balancer”, and according to official statements - it is not big (but you can't check it, as well as “positive indicators of Chinese economy”, and Chinese gold reserves). But Chinese companies have HUGE corporate debt, as well as huge debt of households.... The reason is banal - “building air castles”, and painful self-confidence and what is important, it is “China's friends” that China wanted to use at will, not all of whom turned out to be fools !

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Caution is always taken when dealing with the issues of china in any part of the world today because china is like a wind blowing so it is really difficult to control the wind because china has used it population and it trading power in the international community especially giving of loans to countries to hold so many countries hostage so their excesses can not be told to their face is like many countries are afraid of china
If the economic boycott to Chinese products are possible it will have so much impact on the Chinese economy and unfortunately I don't see that happening in the nearest future

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Quote from: TEBTC on March 19, 2024, 03:45:25 AM

It will be very hard for the Arad world to boycott Chinese products because china has allot of influence on the international community
The truth is what ever china is doing to it Muslim society everyone in the Arad world is seeing it but there's little or nothing that the Arad world can do
Because at the center of it everything is politics

I hear that in Africa, China is already the largest trading partner for many countries.

I don't know about the Middle East though. They are pretty rich on their own though so I wouldn't be surprised if their largest trades with China are oil (and natural gas perhaps) and if the imports are coming mostly from the West.

I am not sure what to make out of this situation.

Obviously for ideological reasons it is much easier for them to boycott Israel products.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on March 02, 2024, 04:30:09 PM

News about a potential boycott or urging a boycott of Chinese products by the Muslim world has been a recurrent discussion for many years now and springs up at different times for different reasons.

I personally do not think a full boycott sponsored by the state leaders us possible. Trade goes both ways; if a nation is heavily dependent on demand from a certain community, then that community is also heavily dependent on their supply. The process of switching suppliers for products at the quantity and price that is currently available is not an easy one at all.

Of course - because trade with China is profitable, and therefore you can give a damn about your co-religionists. Money does not smell, slogans can be forgotten. But it is not possible to make much money with Israel, and they do not sell them weapons and other prohibited goods, so slogans can be used here. Duplicity, lies, and far-fetched slogans - this is what reality looks like

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Quote from: nngella on March 16, 2024, 09:54:29 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on February 21, 2024, 05:29:37 AM

Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

1 and 2 : Not soon, why? , because most product nowadays are made of China. They can produce cheaper products because of their cheaper labor and materials (though you cannot say about if the quality is the same with other manufacturers)
3. If ever there is really a boycott of Chinese products, then the demand of their goods will decrease and their economy will be affected. However, as I said in #1 and #2, this is really not feasible as of the moment because many countries rely on the product of china, raw materials and labor-wise.
4. Yes (given that it happens). We will witness a trade war just like what US and China is doing right now. I think the major impact that the arab nations to China is if they decided to prevent China from importing oil and gas from them. Since Arab nations are the major exporter and source of oil and gas, then China will truly suffer if they will not be able to import any.

Yeah, I agree, all right, but....
The reason for this post was to find out if those who are calling for a boycott of Israeli products are really pure in their ideas to protect their Muslim brothers (this is the main reason among those mentioned), and to "punish Israel" for the current conflict, or is it purely political and personal interests ?
As we can see, the Muslim brothers are of course brothers, but ... China and money interest their leaders more and for the sake of profit and realization of their ambitions they easily forget about "Muslim brothers", if it becomes economically unprofitable

So you have shown - that the basis is financial interests and political relations, but not "love for your brother"

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 18, 2024, 06:09:22 PM

I don't know, but me personally or at least some of my friends have boycotted Chinese products, or at least things that you find in groceries, like canned food. I practice reading the labels and seeing where in originated. It's not about the relationship of Chinese with us, although there is conflict regarding the Philippine West Sea that China is forcibly claiming against us. But it's how they package their food as there are news pre pandemic as videos of the Chinese factories circulated around and there are no sanitation whatsoever and it become a hot topic all over the world and so we no longer buy those kind of things and we are very careful about Chinese products.

If it becomes a matter of labeling, then I believe China and Chinese companies would then soon learn not to tag their products according the the origin of their merchandise. It would be enough to fool people who are just willing to check the packages and do it research any further about what they are buying anyways.
About sanitation and the conditions of work for people in China, I believe those would be enough motives for anyone to boycott Chinese products, without having to see further into geopolitical conflicts, in my opinion. Not long ago I saw a documentary film on how people in mainland China actually manages to counterfeit food, actual counterfeits, like fake eggs, fake meat dumplings and things alike.
If those are the things there are willing to allow to circulate in their own market for their own people to consume, one needs to wonder what shady Chinese companies would be willing to ship abroad for foreigners to buy and eat.

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It will be very hard for the Arad world to boycott Chinese products because china has allot of influence on the international community
The truth is what ever china is doing to it Muslim society everyone in the Arad world is seeing it but there's little or nothing that the Arad world can do
Because at the center of it everything is politics

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I don't know, but me personally or at least some of my friends have boycotted Chinese products, or at least things that you find in groceries, like canned food. I practice reading the labels and seeing where in originated. It's not about the relationship of Chinese with us, although there is conflict regarding the Philippine West Sea that China is forcibly claiming against us. But it's how they package their food as there are news pre pandemic as videos of the Chinese factories circulated around and there are no sanitation whatsoever and it become a hot topic all over the world and so we no longer buy those kind of things and we are very careful about Chinese products.

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The way things are now it will be very difficult to boycott Chinese products by the Muslim world or any other continent because china is a force to contend with when it comes to international relations
There is no willingness on the part of the political leaders because they know that just as you have elders in your families china is an elder in the international stage , so it will be hard or nearly impossible for anyone to band Chinese made products

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I think some countries do that kind of boycotting stuff more than others, and some only do it in case of an active military conflict (or a war). The video only has Turkish subtitles, and I don't speak Turkish, so unfortunately I didn't get a thing of what he was talking about. I tried to find news articles to read about this in English, but couldn't. The only thing I assume I understand from the context of discussion is that it's a religious thing: China is aggressively atheist and is known for its mistreatment of Muslims (namely the Uyghurs) within the country. But that's been going on for a while now, for years. And since there has been no boycott about it so far, I don't think it'll change.
Are there any sources in English, so that we can actually see what's going on? I'm kind of surprised everyone's just being chill and sharing their opinions (do they all know Turkish, or did they just not even open the video?).

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And I don't know what will happen if you boycott the word, but if Bangladesh boycotts China's products, then Bangladesh may become immobile. 90% of the products of Bangladesh are shipped to Bangladesh by China and a lot goes to Bangladesh. In that case, the people of Bangladesh use Chinese products more and they call them brothers at low prices, they have become their daily new necessary products. There is no possibility of boycotting this Chinese product in Bangladesh because the people of Bangladesh are used to using these products. And in the world market, China is doing well in many countries to know the products or in Pakistan or if you see. China continues to rule the whole world because China's products are less and more.

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Quote from: Darker45 on March 17, 2024, 05:44:55 AM

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I used to trust Barack Obama a lot in his efforts to bring US companies back to the country. But it seems it had very limited success. So, yeah, it is indeed very hard.

A geo-economic reorganization as huge as this might take no less than a war for it to happen. The influence of China is so powerful now.

It would not take a war, actually, that kind of thing would destroy the same markets one would be trying to change for the better, you know. Also, whether we like Donald Trump or not, it seemed he was being relatively successful on bringing some companies back to the territory of the United States, specially from auto manufacturing facilities from Mexico and from Asia, you know. I also recall he started a commercial war with Chine by increasing the taxes of all products brought from that country, it was big news back in the day. He used tactics and techniques which no Democrat would have dared to use for the sake of nationalism and protectionism.
Some people would say Trump did not have any idea of what he was doing, because those products being produced in the country would have had been more experience for the average person (the salary in China is not the same in the United States for the same kind of workers), but he seemed not to care about it and just wanted more people to have a job.

Ironically, after all these years, Joe Biden managed to break records on low unemployment and you do not see him rambling about America First or about Chinese commercial wars in live TV. They are two different kinds of politicians, I guess.

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Quote from: DrBeer on February 21, 2024, 05:29:37 AM

Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

It will definitely affect Arab-Chinese relations if The Arabs really leaves them for another country. But if they won’t go elsewhere and depend on themselves, the Chinese government wouldn’t mind. Just my thoughts.

Quote from: Ucy on February 23, 2024, 04:06:20 AM

Chinese products could become cheaper and other nations will buy and sell them in rebranded forms at higher prices to the Arabs. This actually depends on whether a boycott is justified otherwise China wouldn't be affected that much.

I don’t think it’s that easy. The Arabs will definitely make sure that the country that will supply them isn’t importing from China. If it is, what then is the need of directly boycotting them when they are still connected and dependent on China.

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Quote from: DrBeer on March 16, 2024, 08:25:43 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on March 14, 2024, 07:06:03 PM

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There is another problem here. In fact, the world has driven itself into a trap by engaging in self-hypnosis that if you really want to, you can build strong relationships with dubious regimes.
Over the past few years, we have seen the “results” of these “games” very well. For example, the monopolization of the EU energy sector (oil and gas) almost killed the industry of Germany and other countries. Why? Because they allowed themselves to be completely dependent on the regime, to whose antics they turned a blind eye since 2000.
It’s the same with China - in China they built a “world factory for the production of everything”, stopped supporting local economies and... now there is dependence on Chinese consumer goods! And the longer the resolution of this issue is postponed, the harder it will be for countries dependent on the “Chinese factory.” And China will do everything - from bribing authorities to terror, just so that the flow of its exports will dry up. Without exports, China simply degrades in a short period of time...

I'm afraid that at this point the dragon has already awakened. When I was young, that country has always been called the sleeping dragon. But the China of today isn't anymore solely dependent on cheap labor. Gone are the days when they could offer nothing but slaves. But they're not anymore just assembling products of companies from other countries now; they're selling their own products.

Today, the country is powerful and influential that other countries can't simply say no even if it's clear as day that China can't be trusted. I have always wondered why deals, huge deals, were made when they must have known that they're dealing with the devil.

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The approach Donald Trump took was to try to brings those companies and facilities back to the United States, but there is always the disadvantage of the prices for the final consumer in that kind of choice.
In short, it is possible but it would take a geo economical reorganization for several years.

I used to trust Barack Obama a lot in his efforts to bring US companies back to the country. But it seems it had very limited success. So, yeah, it is indeed very hard.

A geo-economic reorganization as huge as this might take no less than a war for it to happen. The influence of China is so powerful now.

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It’s unlikely that there will ever be a boycott of Chinese products & economic relations. China is such a huge manufacturer. It’s cheap to get them to make products & ship them all over the world so I don’t think it’s likely any time soon that there is a boycott of Chinese products & economic relations.

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 06, 2024, 12:17:07 PM

That's not gonna happen and what Chinese government is doing to Uygur Muslims is worst than the plight of Palestinians

This is an incredibly mentally unhinged thing to say. Israel is mercilessly slaughtering civilians, an overwhelming majority being women and children. How many bombs and chemical weapons has China dropped on Uyghurs?

The reason Muslim countries don’t boycott China is because the Uyghur genocide is a debunked hoax propagated cynically by the same war mongers in Washington D.C. who lied about WMDs in Iraq, which led to an invasion that resulted in over a million Muslim deaths. It’s completely perverse for the US government to be feigning concern for Uyghurs in China when they are actively assisting Israel ethnically cleanse Palestine.

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Quote from: DrBeer on February 21, 2024, 05:29:37 AM

Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

1 and 2 : Not soon, why? , because most product nowadays are made of China. They can produce cheaper products because of their cheaper labor and materials (though you cannot say about if the quality is the same with other manufacturers)
3. If ever there is really a boycott of Chinese products, then the demand of their goods will decrease and their economy will be affected. However, as I said in #1 and #2, this is really not feasible as of the moment because many countries rely on the product of china, raw materials and labor-wise.
4. Yes (given that it happens). We will witness a trade war just like what US and China is doing right now. I think the major impact that the arab nations to China is if they decided to prevent China from importing oil and gas from them. Since Arab nations are the major exporter and source of oil and gas, then China will truly suffer if they will not be able to import any.

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