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June 03, 2013, 02:56:02 PM
#23

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.

Wow. Is it that tough to answer?

Hint: the red question just needs a Yes or a No
Hint: the green question just needs a Yes or a No



The first is not a "yes or no" question, because it is a leading question.  It doesn't really matter what the classified documents reveal, because stealing and releasing classified documents is illegal and a clear act of espionage.  If he felt that something illegal was happening, he should've gone through the proper channels and had it investigated.

For your second question, yes.


Oh, okay, so he should have let the torturers and murderers investigate their own crimes. That's a great idea! How about we let regular lawbreakers be the judge in their own trials?


The government is not a hive mind, nor is everyone in the government (or even most of he government) complicit in the alleged crimes....and yes, government officials investigate other government officials all the time, it's how the justice system works.
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June 03, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
#22

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.

Wow. Is it that tough to answer?

Hint: the red question just needs a Yes or a No
Hint: the green question just needs a Yes or a No



The first is not a "yes or no" question, because it is a leading question.  It doesn't really matter what the classified documents reveal, because stealing and releasing classified documents is illegal and a clear act of espionage.  If he felt that something illegal was happening, he should've gone through the proper channels and had it investigated.

For your second question, yes.

Does saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

Apparently, he thinks yes. Even though the government is abusing the ability to classify things to hide their crimes, exposing those crimes to the people should totally still be punishable by death.  Roll Eyes
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June 03, 2013, 02:52:15 PM
#22
It doesn't really matter what the classified documents reveal, because stealing and releasing classified documents is illegal and a clear act of espionage.  If he felt that something illegal was happening, he should've gone through the proper channels and had it investigated.

Weren't the people who committed those crimes the ones who made the documents classified in the first place???
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June 03, 2013, 02:49:57 PM
#21
I suppose you people think Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen are heroes too, huh?

Did they help expose any criminal acts perpetrated by government officials?
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June 03, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
#20

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.

Wow. Is it that tough to answer?

Hint: the red question just needs a Yes or a No
Hint: the green question just needs a Yes or a No



The first is not a "yes or no" question, because it is a leading question.  It doesn't really matter what the classified documents reveal, because stealing and releasing classified documents is illegal and a clear act of espionage.  If he felt that something illegal was happening, he should've gone through the proper channels and had it investigated.

For your second question, yes.


Oh, okay, so he should have let the torturers and murderers investigate their own crimes. That's a great idea! How about we let regular lawbreakers be the judge in their own trials?
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June 03, 2013, 02:48:33 PM
#20
It was treason because he stole and released classified documents pertinent to national security. Period.

How is a video from a helicopter showing the pilots gunning down reporters and civilians "pertinent to national security," and why was it classified, other than to hide a crime?



Yes, I would consider outing an active CIA agent (plume) as treason as well...
The Iran-Contra scandal itself was an act of high treason...
The IRS targeting Tea Party individuals is illegal and immoral...

I didn't ask how those things were all treason, I asked how releasing information that these crimes all happened treason? Manning released information about a crime. He didn't commit the crime. Why is his releasing information about a crime treason, but the reporters releasing information about these other crimes not treason?
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June 03, 2013, 02:29:44 PM
#19

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.

Wow. Is it that tough to answer?

Hint: the red question just needs a Yes or a No
Hint: the green question just needs a Yes or a No



The first is not a "yes or no" question, because it is a leading question.  It doesn't really matter what the classified documents reveal, because stealing and releasing classified documents is illegal and a clear act of espionage.  If he felt that something illegal was happening, he should've gone through the proper channels and had it investigated.

For your second question, yes.

Does saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?
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America, land of the free
June 03, 2013, 02:12:39 PM
#18

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.

Wow. Is it that tough to answer?

Hint: the red question just needs a Yes or a No
Hint: the green question just needs a Yes or a No



The first is not a "yes or no" question, because it is a leading question.  It doesn't really matter what the classified documents reveal, because stealing and releasing classified documents is illegal and a clear act of espionage.  If he felt that something illegal was happening, he should've gone through the proper channels and had it investigated.

For your second question, yes.
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It was only the wind.
June 03, 2013, 02:03:23 PM
#17
He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations international shakedowns, and put American soldiers murderers lives at risk during wartime their crimes (which is aiding and abetting the enemy victims).
Fixed

This.
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June 03, 2013, 02:05:47 PM
#17

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.

Wow. Is it that tough to answer?

Hint: the red question just needs a Yes or a No
Hint: the green question just needs a Yes or a No
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June 03, 2013, 01:51:22 PM
#16
He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations international shakedowns, and put American soldiers murderers lives at risk during wartime their crimes (which is aiding and abetting the enemy victims).
Fixed
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June 03, 2013, 01:36:16 PM
#15
I suppose you people think Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen are heroes too, huh?
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June 03, 2013, 01:31:31 PM
#14

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.
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June 03, 2013, 01:23:31 PM
#13
Who committed treason first, though?

Bradley Manning was the only person committing treason.

Actually, can you please explain why exposing someone in government who has done something illegal a treason? Why was exposing the people who outed Vallerie Plame treason? Why was exposing that Ronald Reagan was secretly selling weapons to terrorists in order to fund a private secret war treason? Why was exposing that IRS was targeting Tea Party members treason? Why did the entire Senate commit treason when they exposed Bill Clinton's private sexual relationship?

Or, do you even know what Bradley Manning actually did?


It was treason because he stole and released classified documents pertinent to national security. Period.
 
Yes, I would consider outing an active CIA agent (plume) as treason as well, and everyone involved should have been tried and imprisoned or executed.

The Iran-Contra scandal itself was an act of high treason, but the exposure of such was not (a downed plane uncovered the scandal and a subsequent investigation was launched.)

The IRS targeting Tea Party individuals is illegal and immoral, but not treason as it was not a threat to national security or a violation of the Espionage Act.

Clinton wasn't exposed by the senate, he was exposed by Linda Trip. He was also acquitted and his crime (perjury) had nothing to do with national security, so there was nothing even remotely treasonous about this case.
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June 03, 2013, 01:14:48 PM
#12
*snip*
Freedom comes at a cost, and that means punishing those who would try to undermine it.
So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?


He disseminated classified information and gave intel to our countries enemies.
So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?
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June 03, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
#11
Who committed treason first, though?

Bradley Manning was the only person committing treason.

Actually, can you please explain why exposing someone in government who has done something illegal a treason? Why was exposing the people who outed Vallerie Plame treason? Why was exposing that Ronald Reagan was secretly selling weapons to terrorists in order to fund a private secret war treason? Why was exposing that IRS was targeting Tea Party members treason? Why did the entire Senate commit treason when they exposed Bill Clinton's private sexual relationship?

Or, do you even know what Bradley Manning actually did?
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America, land of the free
June 03, 2013, 10:47:23 AM
#10
*snip*

Freedom comes at a cost, and that means punishing those who would try to undermine it.
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June 03, 2013, 10:45:45 AM
#9
The same could have easily been said about Thomas Jefferson.

Had he been captured by England, he would have been executed (and they would have had a justifiable reason to do so). So, I agree.
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June 03, 2013, 10:42:21 AM
#8
Who committed treason first, though?

Bradley Manning was the only person committing treason.
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June 03, 2013, 10:31:17 AM
#7
He is a traitor who deserves to rot in prison.

For how long? Of course he deserves some punishment for breaking his oath, but how much is fair?

Life in prison is not fair. Also what is with the stories of torture? No matter what he could have done, that should not happen.

Let's watch it play out in court.

He disseminated classified information and gave intel to our countries enemies. That's more than breaking an oath, that's treason. He knew what the consequences of betraying his country, and now he was to pay the consequences.

Who committed treason first, though? The person who exposed someone else in government doing illegal things, or the actual people doing those illegal things?
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