Topic: Brand new / Newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to post links early on (Read 353 times)

My intention was not to create a newbie jail, but most people aren't getting the point.

Nonetheless, thank you, everyone, for your opinions and thoughts on the subject.

I'm locking the thread.

But it would count as doing newbie jail all over again and @theymos already had something to say to this, probably the best thing that would be done in this situation is for everyone to remain vigilant and never to carelessly click on links, that's the only thing that we can do in this kind of situation if I'm being honest, if you're putting your guard up when you're dealing with strangers on the Internet, then you're probably doing something wrong and you need to relearn the netiquette.

I'm constantly trying to figure out how cognitively sound Theymos was, to have realized that out of the worst places, good things could come. Every damn person had been in that position; so tell me, how you gonna feel if anyone listed you among the new-era newbies that don't seem to add any value to the community?

No restrictions! The ones we've got is enough already... Let 'em spread their tentacles and do more, they could override most of us even as older members. As for the ones that go around posting links and stuffs, a proper use of "report to moderator" button could save the day.

I am against this and I think this rule change could hurt genuine users who just registered in forum and wanted to post link for their project or service.
Sure it could prevent few spammers temporary but this won't stop them to post that same link tomorrow, and genuine user won't bother with that.
It's more than enough restrictions for newbies with evil fees and no images.  

I disagree with this because it will not be good. If this is the case, many people will have left the forum. Forums are an open space for everyone. If we don't welcome them now, they won't be here; they will be forced to leave, I don't think. Congratulate and welcome them and show them the way forward. We will help newbies learn about the forum and give them a chance to learn.

Not all posts where someone asks for help need to have links. You can ask for help without it. But it can also easily be bypassed. if I am not allowed to post "bitcointalk.org", I can write it as "bitcointalk .org" and it won't be recognized as a link. Also, instead of posting a link to a wallet for example, you could ask someone to help you and post that link.

For example, what is the official website of Electrum?

Still, I don't want to see such restrictions for newbies.

Every rank member should be treated equally, and same open platform, I believe there are room for report, spam or any trust issue concerning any member, that medium can be used and not suffer everyone because of the mistakes of one person. It up to any reasonable member wether to click the link, fall prey for it or not, I believe it was an idea shared at the first instance. Such Restriction or Jail for newbies/certain member rank is unnecessary in a Public Forum like this.

With this, you could simply just restrict the whole member group as 24 hours logged time is simply too much, for example, in my case if I look at my time counted it's the equivalent of close to 9 days...


In the last updated scam accusations:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ongoing-impersonation-scam-alert-5497949
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bcgame-12k-usdt-locked-no-informations-5498732
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-has-permanently-closed-my-account-with-17-000-usd-in-it-5497907
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportbetone-its-pure-scam-5497855

If you're familiar with the scam section you would know that the image restriction is far worse there as a simple hyperlink restriction can be bypassed by simply adding space but the ability to post images/screenshots is far more important when asking for help or providing proofs.

Again, I'm against this but let's not make it look like it's something crucial!

If newbies are not allowed to post, how will they leave a link in their posts for asking help?

If forum censors link from newbies in posts and in bbcode blocks too, they will have difficulty in asking help like confirming one website is legit or is phishing site. Only a link can provide information for newbies to ask.

There will be scammers use newbie accounts to post phishing links too but they are not reasons why all newbies can not post links. We can not assume all newbies are criminals and restrict them with posting links.

Okay, fair enough.

The actual point is, that I'm not against newbies, never was, and I want this forum to have more and more users who are genuine and loyal to the forum, I want this forum to become as popular as possible like everyone else. The only thing I'm against is the fact that some people misuse the "freedom" they get in here, that's it.

the "learning and asking questions" has something to do with it because there are newbies who ask questions and include links to put more context on what they are asking. if you restrict them from posting links it could make it harder for them to put more context on the question they want to ask.

I thought you didn't get it because you mentioned learning and asking questions when the restriction has nothing to do with that. A newbie would still be able to make posts normally and ask questions the way they can do right now even if a restriction like that is imposed.

Implementing this restriction could reduce spam while still fostering a welcoming environment for new users. It encourages genuine participation and ensures that link sharing is more likely to come from users who have invested time in understanding the forum and the community.

Pros: A time-based restriction on link posting for new users could reduce some of the drive-by spam we see. It would also encourage genuine newbies to stick around and participate before promoting anything.
Cons: As others mentioned, a simple time limit might be easy for determined spammers to work around. Also, we want to be welcoming to new users who might have a legitimate question with a link.

I know you are talking about links, I even highlighted the part where you mentioned that the 24-hour restriction you are talking about is restricting newbies from posting links. so I am not sure why you think I didn't get it.

also, your reply to stompix just made the restriction you want to put on newbies much worse.

I agree a hundred percent with dzungmobile why the heck should newbies be restricted from posting links? The forum is an open and free space and if you feel worried about some newbies that spam with links why don't you take the personal duty of reporting them?
Infact if there were no spam posts to be nuked, of low quality posts to be deleted of what importance will the moderators be? . As far as I am concerned as well as there are newbies that spam and scam so there are also those genuinely here to learn and also express themselves via discussions.
Newbies have been restricted from posting images, using avatars and signature and I believe it's quite ok.

Thanks for sharing it with us as I did not know about it before. I am glad that Admin is concerned about the longevity of this forum haha I mean he did ban the marketing of obfuscation platforms which has reduced the number of active users drastically but with time it will increase. We should not impose strict rules on Newbies only and we should treat the forum equally.

If you want some rule to be imposed then ask admin to imply it on everyone not just on newbies. I mean admin's concerns are really appreicatble. If we will disheart or discourage or impose strict rules on newbies then how would they come to like this platform. Most of the ranked member are already replying to newbie like they (newbies) own them something and did not returned it from a long time. Means they don't give them much respect. Not everyone do it but most I saw they roast them for no reason.

I oppose this. It will cause new platforms and hobbyists to leave Bitcointalk because they can't post links and may not want to buy a copper membership.

That's the point. If a website, project, or service wants to advertise themselves in the forum, they should do it the right way by creating their ANN and properly announcing it for everyone to see and use if they want. What these newbie accounts do is surely not the right way to do it.


They are handled, we have seen such things happening in the past where multiple accounts are created to shill a single project in a specific section, I started a topic regarding the issue previously.


Well, I believe the loan issue isn't that big because a newbie with valid collateral can still get a loan, but this is a different thing altogether.


You probably didn't get it. The restriction wouldn't restrict newbies from asking questions or creating topics or making posts, it should only restrict them from posting links.


The 24-hour restriction isn't just 24 hours after the registration time, I'm talking about "Total time logged in" here, which means that they will need to spend at least 24 hours in total in the forum to be able to post links. So if a newbie spends 4 hours a day surfing the forum, they should be able to get through the restriction in 6 days.


As I mentioned in the OP, this isn't to restrict newbies who join the forum with a good purpose because I'm not suggesting a restriction that would stop newbies from making posts or asking questions or learn things around here, the restriction is only for those who create accounts, start a topic, and write some bullshit with a link to promote a service or something, it will only stop them from posting links and it shouldn't affect normal newbies.

Can we assume for one man's transgressions as being applicable for others to also share in the consequences, not all newbies are shit posters, spammers or scammers, we can't just act blantly in such direction and take assumptions on that, I've seen a lot of newbies coming here with various opportunities and some are even taking more efforts in purchasing copper membership rank in other for them to be able to unleashed opportunities they brought in to this platform, but in case you detect any for abuse, make report to the moderators.

From the post of the forum's administrator, restricting the freedom of newbies will affect the community negatively. It is assumed that reducing the privileges of these newcomers can make them feel unwelcomed, which might make them leave the forum. I have also seen some posts by newbies that are just targeted at promoting some worthless services. For now, nothing can be done than to report to the moderator. I also assume that they can be given more severe punishment if they continue with this unethical behavior.