Topic: Brasileirão 2024 - Brazilian Championship Serie A - page 38. (Read 8178 times)

I never imagined that this could happen and I thought that Sport would actually be the champion team of the 1987 Brasileirao.
I researched some Brazilian sports and legal websites about this.
The Federal Supreme Court of Brazil (Supremo Tribunal Federal STF) was called and, incredible as it may seem, they denied Flamengo's appeal and kept Sport as champions in 1987.

Source: STF nega recurso ao Flamengo, mantém Sport campeão de 1987 e São Paulo com Taça das Bolinhas
STF mantém Sport como único campeão brasileiro de 1987

Another controversial issue concerns Sport Clube do Recife's title in the 1987 Brazilian Championship, AKA Copa União... Where have you ever seen a team that won the second division be recognized as champions? Even with the club of 13 recognizing Flamengo's title... This was even a case of legal dispute in the supreme court.


more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Campeonato_Brasileiro_Série_A

This is an excellent question and at the same time much discussed and controversial. Some media and football fans in Brazil say that Palmeiras has a world cup, others don't, or that it has fewer Brazilian titles.

I did a brief search and found some interesting information about the Brasileirao champions and I would like to share it with you.

• Palmeiras: 12x champ (1960, 1967, 1967, 1969, 1972, 1973, 1993, 1994, 2016, 2018, 2022 e 2023).
• Santos: 8x champ (1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1968, 2002 e 2004).
• Corinthians: 7x champ (1990, 1998, 1999, 2005, 2011, 2015 e 2017).
• Flamengo: 7x champ (1980, 1982, 1983, 1992, 2009, 2019 e 2020).
• São Paulo: 6x champ (1977, 1986, 1991, 2006, 2007 e 2008).
• Vasco: 4x champ (1974, 1989, 1997 e 2000).
• Fluminense: 4x champ (1970, 1984, 2010 e 2012).
• Cruzeiro: 4x champ (1966, 2003, 2013 e 2014).
• Internacional: 3x champ (1975, 1976 e 1979).
• Atlético-MG: 3x champ (1937, 1971 e 2021).
• Bahia: 2x champ (1959 e 1988).
• Botafogo: 2x champ (1968 e 1995).
• Grêmio: 2x champ (1981 e 1996).
• Guarani: 1x champ (1978).
• Coritiba: 1x champ (1985).
• Sport: 1x champ (1987).
• Athletico-PR: 1x champ (2001).

Source: Brasileirão: confira lista atualizada com todos os campeões

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Hey @rdluffy, sorry, i didn't see your question, but yes, i'm Sao Paulo Fan 

This is quite controversial, as several of these titles were gifts from the corrupt Brazilian entity called CBF, which decided to recognize championships played before 1971 (the first year of the Brazilian championship) as national titles. If it weren't for that, Flamengo would hold the most titles....

And now FIFA decides to send a document considering Palmeiras world champion in 1950 [1]. For me it's a joke.

Palmeiras doesn't have a world cup

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reference:

[1] https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/palmeiras/artigo/_/id/13313836/fifa-reconheceu-o-palmeiras-como-campeao-mundial-entenda-por-que-polemica-foi-reacendida-com-ata

It's strange, but it's like that in most world championships. Especially when it comes to “Franchises” where the focus is on the ecosystem as a whole and not just one or two teams.

Yes this's true. I believe that a large part of the prize pool comes from sponsors. I just can't say precisely what this percentage is, but it depends on the team and also on the sponsors, but as the Brasileirão is national championship, I have no doubt that the prize pool will be relatively high compared to other championships.

Talking about Palmeiras, yes, I also believe that they can be champion of the Brazilian championship in 2024, or at least be in the top 3. In recent years they have been a very consistent team and this is proven by their results, for example, in the In recent years, Palmeiras was champion of the Brasileirao in 2023, 2022 and 2018, in the years it was not champion (in the period I mentioned), it finished the championship in the top 3, only in the year 2020/2021 it finished in 7th place in the Brasileirao

Unfortunately, I have seen that many state championships will simply end!
The amounts that these clubs receive from broadcasting rights often barely pay the salaries of a club's players, especially in the Gaucho championship, for example, which has a small audience that is limited to the southern states of the country.
It may even be that these championships will continue to exist in the future, but only with the participation of smaller clubs.

It's sad to see that a country where football is the main sport is losing good championships due to lack of interest (money).

Anyway... the state championships will soon end and we will start the Brasileirão 2024

Usually from each competition there will be some income to be able to provide prizes from each winner, as far as I know there is some money coming in such as from sponsors, several broadcast companies such as TV and also streaming platforms as well as from ticket sales in matches.
But everything has distribution in percentages that many people really don't know, the distribution of prizes may indeed be relatively different depending on the competition taking place.
It just that for some big competitions, I sure the prizes are of course also in a decent amount because if championship or competition doesn't have decent prizes it also becomes championship that can't develop, each team has large expenses from paying players, coaches and all management.
After all, everything can run well because of money and without money the development of sports, especially football, cannot possibly develop well.

2024 Brasileiro Serie A will start on April 13 with total of 38 matches, and Palmeiras will be the defending champion in the 2022 and 2023 seasons.
Palmeiras is also the most successful team in this competition so there is possibility that they will win again and defend the title.
They are team that has managed to gain lot of benefits from the Brasileiro Serie A competition which is also one of the main competitions in Brazilian football.

My Flamengo won the Guanabara Cup (first round of the state championship in Rio de Janeiro) and had the top scorer (Pedro with 8 goals)... Gabigol apparently became a luxury reserve, Tite is practically the same as Jorge Jesus' beginning... This year we will compete for the Brazilian title for sure....

Here in the forum there are bets to see who will be the Brazilian champion? Was there anything in previous years?

Hmm...that's interesting!
I believe it will vary from championship to championship, in state or national championships I believe that each one should have its own specific prize, but this is relative.
I have no doubt that, when the prize pool is in cash/money, this can encourage teams to be more competitive and fierce and as a result, we can have several interesting games to watch.
I confess that I will be curious to watch some games from these championships, especially the Brasileirao and Copa do Brasil.

The explanation for the lack of a prize for the winner is a bit confusing and makes no sense to me

According to the Rio de Janeiro federation (in 2023 there were no prizes either), the lack of performance prizes is due to the lack of unanimity between the participating teams and the agency responsible for broadcasting the matches
So they only receive and will receive the rights to broadcast the games

To me, this is a generic explanation and they haven't given any more information
Here's a source, but it's in PT in case anyone is interested in reading it: HERE

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Another example, the Gauchao (RS) championship also has no prize for the winner 

In Brazil there are these formats of regional championships, they also guarantee a place for the Copa do Brasil [1], is there this type of championship in your country as well? divided by states, usually at the beginning of each season? In the past, these state championships had much more credibility than they do today.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_do_Brasil

Carioca is not the main one and normally lower league Champion it is in complete discretion to the Football federation.I see this implementation quite common in many countries,in fact where I live now they have put a formula that even in the main league to give a prize only to the top 4 teams as they will play against each other to decide the Champion and Champion will not be the team ending 1st in the standings.Nothing to be surprised here.

I didn't know that, it's news to me!  clubs ones receiving fixed fees, but what would be the point of that? If we analyze it, it is an incentive to compete in the championship with any test squad, this in my opinion devalues the competition, as we all like to watch games with clubs playing at full strength.

Is that true? I'm surprised! In most championships, the champion team receives a prize and second and third place as well (but with smaller amount).

Well, let's see how this method will work, as already mentioned, it will be interesting for teams to put other players on to gain experience and test new team formations and tactics during the championship games.

With a little research, I discovered that the 2024 Carioca championship will not have a prize for the winner, but the clubs will receive a fixed fee
I couldn't find out how much this amount is, but I'm sure that your team Flamengo is the one that receives the most from Rede Globo's broadcasting rights

As far as I know the Carioca championship is widely watched throughout Brazil due to the fact that Flamengo has fans all over the country

So in the case of the Carioca championship, this must be the reason why you see teams focusing more on testing players and new formations, rather than actually trying to win the championship, since the money is already guaranteed, no matter the position they finish in the league

Yes, I support Flamengo so I follow the Rio championship more, look, this award is new to me, it really is a lot of money, maybe they (organizers of the state) are doing like the Brazilian Cup, increasing the prize to avoid precisely use state championships as experimental championships for big teams

I'd even forgotten about this "LIBRA" group
The situation is not easy for Globo, now that the clubs have discovered that they can make even more money than selling the broadcast to Globo, but this amount of 1.3 billion reais is quite absurd  

And in 2024 I bet we'll have even more sportsbooks sponsoring Brazilian clubs
I'm going to do a research to find out if we'll have record sponsorship this year, but possibly we will

I just read that these "absurd" values only tend to increase, as the members of "Libra" which is mainly made up of nine clubs from Series A (Flamengo, Corinthians, São Paulo, Palmeiras, Bahia, Vitória, Atlético-MG, Grêmio and Red Bull Bragantino), is already negotiating TV rights for next year's Brasileirão and the amount involved in this negotiation is billions.
To give you an idea, "TV Globo" has already offered R$ 1.3 billion (Brazilian value) but the association refused it

Furthermore, there is also sponsorship from companies that certainly also pay a lot of money to appear on the shirts of the main football teams.

I keep thinking that the main objective of these clubs is not to win the championship, but to gain from advertising.

You probably follow the carioca championship more, right?

I'm from the state of São Paulo and I support Corinthians, so I end up watching the Paulista championship more, and it's still a very competitive championship. Of course, the big teams take the opportunity to try out new players, and the smaller teams do their best to try to be champions or at least reach the semi-finals

But an important detail: the prize money in the São Paulo championship is so good, you won't believe it:
The big 4 (Corinthians, São Paulo, Palmeiras and Santos) will receive 40 million reais each in TV rights.
While the smaller teams will receive 8 million reais

As you can see, it's a significant amount, and if they go further in the championship, they'll receive even more