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Quote from: swogerino on February 29, 2024, 07:09:29 AM

Quote from: rdluffy on February 19, 2024, 09:23:35 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on February 18, 2024, 04:06:06 PM

Yes, I support Flamengo so I follow the Rio championship more, look, this award is new to me, it really is a lot of money, maybe they (organizers of the state) are doing like the Brazilian Cup, increasing the prize to avoid precisely use state championships as experimental championships for big teams

With a little research, I discovered that the 2024 Carioca championship will not have a prize for the winner, but the clubs will receive a fixed fee
I couldn't find out how much this amount is, but I'm sure that your team Flamengo is the one that receives the most from Rede Globo's broadcasting rights

As far as I know the Carioca championship is widely watched throughout Brazil due to the fact that Flamengo has fans all over the country

So in the case of the Carioca championship, this must be the reason why you see teams focusing more on testing players and new formations, rather than actually trying to win the championship, since the money is already guaranteed, no matter the position they finish in the league

Carioca is not the main one and normally lower league Champion it is in complete discretion to the Football federation.I see this implementation quite common in many countries,in fact where I live now they have put a formula that even in the main league to give a prize only to the top 4 teams as they will play against each other to decide the Champion and Champion will not be the team ending 1st in the standings.Nothing to be surprised here.

In Brazil there are these formats of regional championships, they also guarantee a place for the Copa do Brasil [1], is there this type of championship in your country as well? divided by states, usually at the beginning of each season? In the past, these state championships had much more credibility than they do today.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_do_Brasil

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Quote from: rdluffy on February 19, 2024, 09:23:35 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on February 18, 2024, 04:06:06 PM

Yes, I support Flamengo so I follow the Rio championship more, look, this award is new to me, it really is a lot of money, maybe they (organizers of the state) are doing like the Brazilian Cup, increasing the prize to avoid precisely use state championships as experimental championships for big teams

With a little research, I discovered that the 2024 Carioca championship will not have a prize for the winner, but the clubs will receive a fixed fee
I couldn't find out how much this amount is, but I'm sure that your team Flamengo is the one that receives the most from Rede Globo's broadcasting rights

As far as I know the Carioca championship is widely watched throughout Brazil due to the fact that Flamengo has fans all over the country

So in the case of the Carioca championship, this must be the reason why you see teams focusing more on testing players and new formations, rather than actually trying to win the championship, since the money is already guaranteed, no matter the position they finish in the league

Carioca is not the main one and normally lower league Champion it is in complete discretion to the Football federation.I see this implementation quite common in many countries,in fact where I live now they have put a formula that even in the main league to give a prize only to the top 4 teams as they will play against each other to decide the Champion and Champion will not be the team ending 1st in the standings.Nothing to be surprised here.

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Quote from: rdluffy on February 19, 2024, 09:23:35 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on February 18, 2024, 04:06:06 PM

Yes, I support Flamengo so I follow the Rio championship more, look, this award is new to me, it really is a lot of money, maybe they (organizers of the state) are doing like the Brazilian Cup, increasing the prize to avoid precisely use state championships as experimental championships for big teams

With a little research, I discovered that the 2024 Carioca championship will not have a prize for the winner, but the clubs will receive a fixed fee
I couldn't find out how much this amount is, but I'm sure that your team Flamengo is the one that receives the most from Rede Globo's broadcasting rights

As far as I know the Carioca championship is widely watched throughout Brazil due to the fact that Flamengo has fans all over the country

So in the case of the Carioca championship, this must be the reason why you see teams focusing more on testing players and new formations, rather than actually trying to win the championship, since the money is already guaranteed, no matter the position they finish in the league

I didn't know that, it's news to me! clubs ones receiving fixed fees, but what would be the point of that? If we analyze it, it is an incentive to compete in the championship with any test squad, this in my opinion devalues the competition, as we all like to watch games with clubs playing at full strength.

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Quote from: rdluffy on February 19, 2024, 09:23:35 AM

With a little research, I discovered that the 2024 Carioca championship will not have a prize for the winner, but the clubs will receive a fixed fee
I couldn't find out how much this amount is, but I'm sure that your team Flamengo is the one that receives the most from Rede Globo's broadcasting rights

As far as I know the Carioca championship is widely watched throughout Brazil due to the fact that Flamengo has fans all over the country

So in the case of the Carioca championship, this must be the reason why you see teams focusing more on testing players and new formations, rather than actually trying to win the championship, since the money is already guaranteed, no matter the position they finish in the league

Is that true? I'm surprised! In most championships, the champion team receives a prize and second and third place as well (but with smaller amount).

Well, let's see how this method will work, as already mentioned, it will be interesting for teams to put other players on to gain experience and test new team formations and tactics during the championship games.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on February 18, 2024, 04:06:06 PM

Yes, I support Flamengo so I follow the Rio championship more, look, this award is new to me, it really is a lot of money, maybe they (organizers of the state) are doing like the Brazilian Cup, increasing the prize to avoid precisely use state championships as experimental championships for big teams

With a little research, I discovered that the 2024 Carioca championship will not have a prize for the winner, but the clubs will receive a fixed fee
I couldn't find out how much this amount is, but I'm sure that your team Flamengo is the one that receives the most from Rede Globo's broadcasting rights

As far as I know the Carioca championship is widely watched throughout Brazil due to the fact that Flamengo has fans all over the country

So in the case of the Carioca championship, this must be the reason why you see teams focusing more on testing players and new formations, rather than actually trying to win the championship, since the money is already guaranteed, no matter the position they finish in the league

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Quote from: rdluffy on February 15, 2024, 07:34:55 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on February 14, 2024, 05:48:50 AM

Back in the 90s-2000s it was much more competitive and was really cool to watch, today teams generally do tests and use reserves, using the showcase team to negotiate players, I think that time has passed and the state championship has lost some of the importance it once had.

remembering the 2000s, I will never forget the Flamengo x Vasco final in 2001, Pet's goal in the 43rd minute. the second half, epic! One of the best memories I have of a state championship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG8chsn-iNk

You probably follow the carioca championship more, right?

I'm from the state of São Paulo and I support Corinthians, so I end up watching the Paulista championship more, and it's still a very competitive championship. Of course, the big teams take the opportunity to try out new players, and the smaller teams do their best to try to be champions or at least reach the semi-finals

But an important detail: the prize money in the São Paulo championship is so good, you won't believe it:
The big 4 (Corinthians, São Paulo, Palmeiras and Santos) will receive 40 million reais each in TV rights.
While the smaller teams will receive 8 million reais

As you can see, it's a significant amount, and if they go further in the championship, they'll receive even more Shocked

Yes, I support Flamengo so I follow the Rio championship more, look, this award is new to me, it really is a lot of money, maybe they (organizers of the state) are doing like the Brazilian Cup, increasing the prize to avoid precisely use state championships as experimental championships for big teams

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 16, 2024, 08:11:45 PM

I just read that these "absurd" values only tend to increase, as the members of "Libra" which is mainly made up of nine clubs from Series A (Flamengo, Corinthians, São Paulo, Palmeiras, Bahia, Vitória, Atlético-MG, Grêmio and Red Bull Bragantino), is already negotiating TV rights for next year's Brasileirão and the amount involved in this negotiation is billions.
To give you an idea, "TV Globo" has already offered R$ 1.3 billion (Brazilian value) but the association refused it Tongue

Furthermore, there is also sponsorship from companies that certainly also pay a lot of money to appear on the shirts of the main football teams.

I keep thinking that the main objective of these clubs is not to win the championship, but to gain from advertising.

I'd even forgotten about this "LIBRA" group
The situation is not easy for Globo, now that the clubs have discovered that they can make even more money than selling the broadcast to Globo, but this amount of 1.3 billion reais is quite absurd Shocked

And in 2024 I bet we'll have even more sportsbooks sponsoring Brazilian clubs
I'm going to do a research to find out if we'll have record sponsorship this year, but possibly we will

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Quote from: rdluffy on February 15, 2024, 07:34:55 AM

But an important detail: the prize money in the São Paulo championship is so good, you won't believe it:
The big 4 (Corinthians, São Paulo, Palmeiras and Santos) will receive 40 million reais each in TV rights.
While the smaller teams will receive 8 million reais

I just read that these "absurd" values only tend to increase, as the members of "Libra" which is mainly made up of nine clubs from Series A (Flamengo, Corinthians, São Paulo, Palmeiras, Bahia, Vitória, Atlético-MG, Grêmio and Red Bull Bragantino), is already negotiating TV rights for next year's Brasileirão and the amount involved in this negotiation is billions.
To give you an idea, "TV Globo" has already offered R$ 1.3 billion (Brazilian value) but the association refused it Tongue

Furthermore, there is also sponsorship from companies that certainly also pay a lot of money to appear on the shirts of the main football teams.

I keep thinking that the main objective of these clubs is not to win the championship, but to gain from advertising.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on February 14, 2024, 05:48:50 AM

Back in the 90s-2000s it was much more competitive and was really cool to watch, today teams generally do tests and use reserves, using the showcase team to negotiate players, I think that time has passed and the state championship has lost some of the importance it once had.

remembering the 2000s, I will never forget the Flamengo x Vasco final in 2001, Pet's goal in the 43rd minute. the second half, epic! One of the best memories I have of a state championship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG8chsn-iNk

You probably follow the carioca championship more, right?

I'm from the state of São Paulo and I support Corinthians, so I end up watching the Paulista championship more, and it's still a very competitive championship. Of course, the big teams take the opportunity to try out new players, and the smaller teams do their best to try to be champions or at least reach the semi-finals

But an important detail: the prize money in the São Paulo championship is so good, you won't believe it:
The big 4 (Corinthians, São Paulo, Palmeiras and Santos) will receive 40 million reais each in TV rights.
While the smaller teams will receive 8 million reais

As you can see, it's a significant amount, and if they go further in the championship, they'll receive even more Shocked

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Back in the 90s-2000s it was much more competitive and was really cool to watch, today teams generally do tests and use reserves, using the showcase team to negotiate players, I think that time has passed and the state championship has lost some of the importance it once had.

remembering the 2000s, I will never forget the Flamengo x Vasco final in 2001, Pet's goal in the 43rd minute. the second half, epic! One of the best memories I have of a state championship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG8chsn-iNk

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 02, 2024, 12:53:20 PM

Generally, the state championship often serves as a period of testing and adaptation of new signings, arranging the team and discovering potential with combinations of different formations on the field.
Not to mention that, even at the beginning of the year, with the state championship already taking place, it is common to see signings still being made.

Think of it this way: the Brazilian champion has theoretically been a strong team all year, since it's a points race, and if the team won the Brazilian championship, there's a good chance they'll have won the state championship too, since it's an easier
It's not a guarantee, of course, but there's a good chance
And it's also true that there's still the transfer window after the state championships, so the teams that didn't do well still have the chance to make some last-minute signings to try and strengthen the squad

Then I'll find out who the last Brazilian champions were, if they were also state champions
It might even help with the next bets hehehe Grin

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Quote from: rdluffy on February 02, 2024, 08:55:09 AM

Could this poor performance of some teams in the state championships be reflected in this year's of Brasileirao? Or could things change by then?

I kind of disagree that the results of the state championships can reflect the result of the Brasileirão....
Generally, the state championship often serves as a period of testing and adaptation of new signings, arranging the team and discovering potential with combinations of different formations on the field.
Not to mention that, even at the beginning of the year, with the state championship already taking place, it is common to see signings still being made.

Anyway, I looked for some historical data and didn't find much of a relationship between the good performance of the state championships and the Brasileirão.

In a state like São Paulo, for example, this can even serve as a base, but if you take other states in which there is only one state team that participates in the Brasileirão championship, there is no way to measure their performance relationship.

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Quote from: gagux123 on February 01, 2024, 06:32:04 PM

I watched some highlights from some games.
But I also realized that some teams are performing poorly, especially Corinthians. (played 4 games, won 1 and lost 3 games)
Could this poor performance of some teams in the state championships be reflected in this year's of Brasileirao? Or could things change by then?

Absolutely, the results of the state championships can have an impact on future performance in the Brasileirao

The state championships are an excellent way for teams to test out their players, new formations, get used to playing with their new players and coaches. Quite different from what happens in other leagues around the world

-> If the team does well in the state championship, they can keep the same way of playing
-> If the team does very badly, they still have a few days to reshape, once again, and then play in the Brasileirão

Last year was a good example, Palmeiras were Paulista champions and then Brazilian champions

Are you a São Paulo fan gagux? I can't remember your team

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Quote from: rdluffy on January 31, 2024, 07:18:02 AM

Guys, are you watching the state championships?
As you know, I'm a Corinthians fan, and I'm not at all excited about the team for the Brazilian championship, they lost to São Paulo yesterday and the team doesn't seem to have improved at all, even after changing the coach and several players

I watched some highlights from some games.
But I also realized that some teams are performing poorly, especially Corinthians. (played 4 games, won 1 and lost 3 games)
Could this poor performance of some teams in the state championships be reflected in this year's of Brasileirao? Or could things change by then?

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Quote from: gagux123 on January 31, 2024, 04:30:57 AM

I'll be honest, I confess that I am surprised by this news!
Well, I imagined that there was some kind of match fixing of some football games in Brazil, but I didn't think the situation was more serious.
Currently, it is carrying out a match fixing operation for some national and state championship games in Brazil.
This event is actually more serious than I imagined.

I remember that operation you mentioned, it's a disgrace for Brazilian soccer and I hope they manage to punish those responsible, setting an example so that it doesn't happen again
Let's wait for the next news to see if they manage to prove that the Brazilian A series championship has also been manipulated

Guys, are you watching the state championships?
As you know, I'm a Corinthians fan, and I'm not at all excited about the team for the Brazilian championship, they lost to São Paulo yesterday and the team doesn't seem to have improved at all, even after changing the coach and several players

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Quote from: rdluffy on January 23, 2024, 10:55:05 AM

I don't know if you've seen this news, I saw it today and it was published yesterday:
There's a company that's been hired to analyze the refereeing of Campeonato Carioca 2024 (Good Game! is the name of the company), and it claims that it's 99% sure that there was match-fixing in last year's Brazilian championship (2023)

Source here

What do you think?
According to the company, it wasn't a whole team trying to manipulate, but a few players
I think it's entirely possible, but it's very difficult to prove it

I'll be honest, I confess that I am surprised by this news!
Well, I imagined that there was some kind of match fixing of some football games in Brazil, but I didn't think the situation was more serious.
Currently, it is carrying out a match fixing operation for some national and state championship games in Brazil.
This event is actually more serious than I imagined.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 23, 2024, 11:29:02 AM

This new season I think that Botafogo RJ should try to have a better control of their position in the league.I am very sorry for them losing the title completely on their own fault and no other reason,they were a huge 9 points advantage at a certain point and they managed to lose it all in the final stages of the last season.What makes it worse is that they even had a chance in those final stages to correct their mistakes and they did not profit in the moments where Palmeiras lost points.I think they will be a contender to the title again this season but let's see how it looks.

Botafogo RJ's situation is not very easy
Yesterday the team lost to Boavista in the Carioca championship, it's a small team
The team has won 2 and lost 1 so far
It's worth keeping an eye on the state championship as it's a great preview of what the Brazilian championship will be like in 2024

Palmeiras, for example, were champions of Paulista 2023 and were also champions of Brasileiro 2023.

So far the first games of the big teams haven't been that good, they're still getting their teams right, making changes, trying out new players and finding new positions, and in a few rounds we'll be able to get a better view
It's even a bit difficult to find a good bet for the games, as they're very unpredictable at the moment

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This new season I think that Botafogo RJ should try to have a better control of their position in the league.I am very sorry for them losing the title completely on their own fault and no other reason,they were a huge 9 points advantage at a certain point and they managed to lose it all in the final stages of the last season.What makes it worse is that they even had a chance in those final stages to correct their mistakes and they did not profit in the moments where Palmeiras lost points.I think they will be a contender to the title again this season but let's see how it looks.

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I don't know if you've seen this news, I saw it today and it was published yesterday:
There's a company that's been hired to analyze the refereeing of Campeonato Carioca 2024 (Good Game! is the name of the company), and it claims that it's 99% sure that there was match-fixing in last year's Brazilian championship (2023)

Source here

What do you think?
According to the company, it wasn't a whole team trying to manipulate, but a few players
I think it's entirely possible, but it's very difficult to prove it

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Quote from: alegotardo on January 21, 2024, 01:46:26 PM

Last year, the regulatory agency CADE (Administrative Council for Economic Defense) had investigated Globo for monopoly, broadcasting games under specific interest and for making it difficult to transfer images to other broadcasters, in short... nothing came of it.

I would like to know what the agreement was reached (in terms of values) for each team, as we know that some receive much more than others.

This is serious? I didn't know about this event, I wouldn't have imagined that Globo was involved in a monopoly focused on football... well, I hope that at the end of all this, the ones who suffer are not the fans and viewers.

Quote from: rdluffy on January 21, 2024, 03:37:55 PM

I wonder if in a few years the teams themselves will be able to broadcast their matches. Leaving aside the TV stations so they can try to make more money?
At least the bigger teams

Hmm... that's a good question! I believe so, year after year new technologies are emerging and streaming has become better known not only in Brazil but worldwide.
I remember that during the World Cup the streamer CazeTv also broadcast the games and I watched some, I confess that it was an interesting experience and I liked it, as previously most of the World Cup games were broadcast on open transmission channels. Possibly yes, I also believe that in the future some teams (not just football), but other sports will start broadcasting games (streaming)

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