Topic: Brasileirão 2024 - Brazilian Championship Serie A - page 46. (Read 10117 times)

Yes, it really is something very unusual to see and something very Brazilian. But I think that if many teams follow this path, they will act to avoid this type of discussion as there is no point in discussing titles in court.

They should never have taken legal action in this case, that's what sports justice is for... Now imagine if this becomes a pattern? all the teams that feel unfairly decided to take legal action... This is Brazil. zil zil...

Anyway, I think this Sport title is very unfair, because the CBF was unable to organize the 87 championship, which was the responsibility of the club of 13... And we all know the end of the story.

The STF (Supreme Federal Court) resolving issues about football is the face of Brazil. I understand the merit, but the situation and the arguments about who gets which title are quite funny.

I never imagined that this could happen and I thought that Sport would actually be the champion team of the 1987 Brasileirao.
I researched some Brazilian sports and legal websites about this.
The Federal Supreme Court of Brazil (Supremo Tribunal Federal STF) was called and, incredible as it may seem, they denied Flamengo's appeal and kept Sport as champions in 1987.

Source: STF nega recurso ao Flamengo, mantém Sport campeão de 1987 e São Paulo com Taça das Bolinhas
STF mantém Sport como único campeão brasileiro de 1987

Another controversial issue concerns Sport Clube do Recife's title in the 1987 Brazilian Championship, AKA Copa União... Where have you ever seen a team that won the second division be recognized as champions? Even with the club of 13 recognizing Flamengo's title... This was even a case of legal dispute in the supreme court.


more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Campeonato_Brasileiro_Série_A

This is an excellent question and at the same time much discussed and controversial. Some media and football fans in Brazil say that Palmeiras has a world cup, others don't, or that it has fewer Brazilian titles.

I did a brief search and found some interesting information about the Brasileirao champions and I would like to share it with you.

• Palmeiras: 12x champ (1960, 1967, 1967, 1969, 1972, 1973, 1993, 1994, 2016, 2018, 2022 e 2023).
• Santos: 8x champ (1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1968, 2002 e 2004).
• Corinthians: 7x champ (1990, 1998, 1999, 2005, 2011, 2015 e 2017).
• Flamengo: 7x champ (1980, 1982, 1983, 1992, 2009, 2019 e 2020).
• São Paulo: 6x champ (1977, 1986, 1991, 2006, 2007 e 2008).
• Vasco: 4x champ (1974, 1989, 1997 e 2000).
• Fluminense: 4x champ (1970, 1984, 2010 e 2012).
• Cruzeiro: 4x champ (1966, 2003, 2013 e 2014).
• Internacional: 3x champ (1975, 1976 e 1979).
• Atlético-MG: 3x champ (1937, 1971 e 2021).
• Bahia: 2x champ (1959 e 1988).
• Botafogo: 2x champ (1968 e 1995).
• Grêmio: 2x champ (1981 e 1996).
• Guarani: 1x champ (1978).
• Coritiba: 1x champ (1985).
• Sport: 1x champ (1987).
• Athletico-PR: 1x champ (2001).

Source: Brasileirão: confira lista atualizada com todos os campeões

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Hey @rdluffy, sorry, i didn't see your question, but yes, i'm Sao Paulo Fan 

This is quite controversial, as several of these titles were gifts from the corrupt Brazilian entity called CBF, which decided to recognize championships played before 1971 (the first year of the Brazilian championship) as national titles. If it weren't for that, Flamengo would hold the most titles....

And now FIFA decides to send a document considering Palmeiras world champion in 1950 [1]. For me it's a joke.

Palmeiras doesn't have a world cup

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reference:

[1] https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/palmeiras/artigo/_/id/13313836/fifa-reconheceu-o-palmeiras-como-campeao-mundial-entenda-por-que-polemica-foi-reacendida-com-ata

It's strange, but it's like that in most world championships. Especially when it comes to “Franchises” where the focus is on the ecosystem as a whole and not just one or two teams.

Yes this's true. I believe that a large part of the prize pool comes from sponsors. I just can't say precisely what this percentage is, but it depends on the team and also on the sponsors, but as the Brasileirão is national championship, I have no doubt that the prize pool will be relatively high compared to other championships.

Talking about Palmeiras, yes, I also believe that they can be champion of the Brazilian championship in 2024, or at least be in the top 3. In recent years they have been a very consistent team and this is proven by their results, for example, in the In recent years, Palmeiras was champion of the Brasileirao in 2023, 2022 and 2018, in the years it was not champion (in the period I mentioned), it finished the championship in the top 3, only in the year 2020/2021 it finished in 7th place in the Brasileirao

Unfortunately, I have seen that many state championships will simply end!
The amounts that these clubs receive from broadcasting rights often barely pay the salaries of a club's players, especially in the Gaucho championship, for example, which has a small audience that is limited to the southern states of the country.
It may even be that these championships will continue to exist in the future, but only with the participation of smaller clubs.

It's sad to see that a country where football is the main sport is losing good championships due to lack of interest (money).

Anyway... the state championships will soon end and we will start the Brasileirão 2024

Usually from each competition there will be some income to be able to provide prizes from each winner, as far as I know there is some money coming in such as from sponsors, several broadcast companies such as TV and also streaming platforms as well as from ticket sales in matches.
But everything has distribution in percentages that many people really don't know, the distribution of prizes may indeed be relatively different depending on the competition taking place.
It just that for some big competitions, I sure the prizes are of course also in a decent amount because if championship or competition doesn't have decent prizes it also becomes championship that can't develop, each team has large expenses from paying players, coaches and all management.
After all, everything can run well because of money and without money the development of sports, especially football, cannot possibly develop well.

2024 Brasileiro Serie A will start on April 13 with total of 38 matches, and Palmeiras will be the defending champion in the 2022 and 2023 seasons.
Palmeiras is also the most successful team in this competition so there is possibility that they will win again and defend the title.
They are team that has managed to gain lot of benefits from the Brasileiro Serie A competition which is also one of the main competitions in Brazilian football.

My Flamengo won the Guanabara Cup (first round of the state championship in Rio de Janeiro) and had the top scorer (Pedro with 8 goals)... Gabigol apparently became a luxury reserve, Tite is practically the same as Jorge Jesus' beginning... This year we will compete for the Brazilian title for sure....

Here in the forum there are bets to see who will be the Brazilian champion? Was there anything in previous years?

Hmm...that's interesting!
I believe it will vary from championship to championship, in state or national championships I believe that each one should have its own specific prize, but this is relative.
I have no doubt that, when the prize pool is in cash/money, this can encourage teams to be more competitive and fierce and as a result, we can have several interesting games to watch.
I confess that I will be curious to watch some games from these championships, especially the Brasileirao and Copa do Brasil.

The explanation for the lack of a prize for the winner is a bit confusing and makes no sense to me

According to the Rio de Janeiro federation (in 2023 there were no prizes either), the lack of performance prizes is due to the lack of unanimity between the participating teams and the agency responsible for broadcasting the matches
So they only receive and will receive the rights to broadcast the games

To me, this is a generic explanation and they haven't given any more information
Here's a source, but it's in PT in case anyone is interested in reading it: HERE

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Another example, the Gauchao (RS) championship also has no prize for the winner 

In Brazil there are these formats of regional championships, they also guarantee a place for the Copa do Brasil [1], is there this type of championship in your country as well? divided by states, usually at the beginning of each season? In the past, these state championships had much more credibility than they do today.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_do_Brasil

Carioca is not the main one and normally lower league Champion it is in complete discretion to the Football federation.I see this implementation quite common in many countries,in fact where I live now they have put a formula that even in the main league to give a prize only to the top 4 teams as they will play against each other to decide the Champion and Champion will not be the team ending 1st in the standings.Nothing to be surprised here.

I didn't know that, it's news to me!  clubs ones receiving fixed fees, but what would be the point of that? If we analyze it, it is an incentive to compete in the championship with any test squad, this in my opinion devalues the competition, as we all like to watch games with clubs playing at full strength.

Is that true? I'm surprised! In most championships, the champion team receives a prize and second and third place as well (but with smaller amount).

Well, let's see how this method will work, as already mentioned, it will be interesting for teams to put other players on to gain experience and test new team formations and tactics during the championship games.

With a little research, I discovered that the 2024 Carioca championship will not have a prize for the winner, but the clubs will receive a fixed fee
I couldn't find out how much this amount is, but I'm sure that your team Flamengo is the one that receives the most from Rede Globo's broadcasting rights

As far as I know the Carioca championship is widely watched throughout Brazil due to the fact that Flamengo has fans all over the country

So in the case of the Carioca championship, this must be the reason why you see teams focusing more on testing players and new formations, rather than actually trying to win the championship, since the money is already guaranteed, no matter the position they finish in the league

Yes, I support Flamengo so I follow the Rio championship more, look, this award is new to me, it really is a lot of money, maybe they (organizers of the state) are doing like the Brazilian Cup, increasing the prize to avoid precisely use state championships as experimental championships for big teams