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Topic: Bryan Micon's List of Non-BCST Ponzi's Still Running (with credit rating) - page 7. (Read 13326 times)

legendary
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So Micon, what else would you have PatrickHarnett disclose to show it is not a ponzi?
Anything sufficient to do these four things would be enough for me:

1) Determine that claimed profits are in fact profits from investments.

2) Realistically assess the risk to investors.

3) Assure investors that there's a mechanism in place so that if they do take losses, they'll be able to reasonably assure themselves that those losses were due to legitimate investment losses and not just him deciding to keep people's money.

4) Assure investors that there's a mechanism in place such that if there are reductions in the total worth of all investments, losses will be taken proportionately by all investors instead of processing full payouts to those who happen to withdraw first and leaving essentially nothing for those who don't withdraw at the right moment.

It's not a matter of whether it's a Ponzi or not really. There are lots of scams that aren't Ponzis. The idea is to show that it's a legitimate loan or investment. If there was something that was otherwise a legitimate investment but couldn't do at least two of these four things, rational people would not invest in it.
legendary
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Micon, you are missing your poker scam site from the list. LOL
 

It is my poker site and it isn't a scam.

I think he was referring to DonkDown or TheMiconSystem (an infobook a guy paid me to use likeness / make material for in 2005-7)

At this stage there are very few people I would do business with.  SealsWithClubs & FreeMoney are currently the gold standard for trustworthiness in this community.  

Attacks on others' credibility is deflection from the real issue - There are so many scams in this sub-forum right on the heels of BCST and it's time to clean them up.
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Not all scams are ponzis but just because they aren't a ponzi doesn't mean they're not a scam or that they're viable.

I agree that "long-term offers" is an inappropriate label for many of the high-risk programmes being offered and that a more suitable way of segregating the different types of investments being offered needs to be found.

by APR % IMO

So Micon, what else would you have PatrickHarnett disclose to show it is not a ponzi?
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Not all scams are ponzis but just because they aren't a ponzi doesn't mean they're not a scam or that they're viable.

I agree that "long-term offers" is an inappropriate label for many of the high-risk programmes being offered and that a more suitable way of segregating the different types of investments being offered needs to be found.

by APR % IMO

I don't think the starfish is a ponzi starfish. He asks loans at 1% per week. You must consider most BTC loans around here are at about >10% per month, so, if he takes BTCs and lends BTCs there is a reasonable business to be made, with a healthy profit margin. He is as transparent as he can be without disclosing personal info. I'm even thinking to do that at a smaller scale (small enough for me to cover losses) if I get the guts.

Personally I'd give him a lot of money if he accepted USD-denominated deposits, and I could even make some nice passthroughs in my country, taking the risk myself.
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I've asked nrd525 if he would do assessments on the offers in this sub-section based on his checklist.  I was looking at how the Kraken Fund would come out using his nine point plan and also how other institutions might fare.  However, I've appeared to annoyed a few people around the forum so I wouldn't consider expressing an opinion - not sure what I did to annoy P4man, probably something to do with Pirates.
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I also dont think Starfish is a ponzi, although any faith I might have had in Patrick and particularly his judgement is long gone. Dont know the others, wont comment.

nope, total Ponzi for Starfish / PatrickHarnett

1%/wk to borrow money is still crack prices, still yields you owing giant interest as scam builds, and he is even making up increasing numbers month-over-month to show you the business is growing.    This one is a slow Ponzi.  


btc is different than USD. What do you think of 0.5%/week? Total scam in anything denominated in USD right? But fastcash4bitcoins.com took out a loan like this. This is a reputable business with proven business model, do you think it's unreasonable for unproven entities to pay slightly more interest in loans? To accuire btc cost upwards of 4% if you deal with shitbag companies like bitinstant that pay their employees slave wages with no benefits and no insurance, so the interest isn't that unreasonable. Patrick is very transparent as well. How many ponzi disclose their total deposit?
legendary
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Micon, you are missing your poker scam site from the list. LOL
 

It is my poker site and it isn't a scam.
legendary
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Not all scams are ponzis but just because they aren't a ponzi doesn't mean they're not a scam or that they're viable.

I agree that "long-term offers" is an inappropriate label for many of the high-risk programmes being offered and that a more suitable way of segregating the different types of investments being offered needs to be found.

by APR % IMO
legendary
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I also dont think Starfish is a ponzi, although any faith I might have had in Patrick and particularly his judgement is long gone. Dont know the others, wont comment.

nope, total Ponzi for Starfish / PatrickHarnett

1%/wk to borrow money is still crack prices, still yields you owing giant interest as scam builds, and he is even making up increasing numbers month-over-month to show you the business is growing.    This one is a slow Ponzi.  
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Not all scams are ponzis but just because they aren't a ponzi doesn't mean they're not a scam or that they're viable.

I agree that "long-term offers" is an inappropriate label for many of the high-risk programmes being offered and that a more suitable way of segregating the different types of investments being offered needs to be found.
legendary
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Bank wont provide me info.

Dont be silly.


Agreed.  I will be happy to argue if someone feels differently than me, but keep it lofty.  Let's say you bank at Bank of America, like over 25% of Americans do (this point is scary to me, BTW)  Well BOA is a publicly traded company, required to post quarterly financials which are verified by the SEC, and easily obtained:

http://money.cnn.com/quote/financials/financials.html?symb=BAC&dataSet=BS

so there is the Bank of America balance sheet showing assets and liabilities.

hero member
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Bank wont provide me info.

Dont be silly.

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And patrik provides where his funds is used in, so whats the problem?

Like I said, I dont think Patricks fund is a ponzi. Unlike you or pirate, he does disclose financial information and revenue streams. That doesnt mean Id be willing to invest in him because I dont trust his judgement at all, but a ponzi, no, most likely not.
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Bank wont provide me info.
And patrik provides where his funds is used in, so whats the problem?
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Hey, who told you that pirate or others dont have assets over their total deposits? They can be absolutely same with banks. They just need time to turn they assets to btc. In some cases this might not be possible in short time, same with banks.

Banks disclose their assets and revenue streams. Ponzi's do not. Moreover, its up to the creditor to prove his creditworthiness, not the other way around. If you go  to a bank and ask for a loan, the bank will ask you to prove your creditworthiness through income or assets; you dont tell the bank  to prove you are a broke bummer.  You could (and probably should) ask the bank to prove they are solvent before depositing there though.

If you dont want your scheme to be labeled as a ponzi, all you have to do is prove a credible revenue stream that can generate those interest rates and prove your assets. If you fail to do both, it should be assumed a ponzi.
legendary
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That's nice, Dank Bank isn't up there.

im sorry but your scam isn't organized enough to be a ponzi.  did anyone buy u a house or car yet?  i think u have a chance given how easily tricked this community is.
If it's not a ponzi, how is it a scam?

Oh, shit. "Byron", dank is kicking your ass. This will be fun.
Don't bother resplying to me as I'll only see it if someone quotes you.
legendary
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Micon, you are missing your poker scam site from the list. LOL
 
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Em, do you take into account fact that mining operationing can give you 3-4%/w of return?
By the way, u still havnt prove that btcst was ponzi, as others. In Business you cant make money when they are laying in your pocket, it means, that you cant return everyones money so easily... Why wont u go to the bank and tell them that they are ponzii, because it cant payout to everyone at once?

1) comparing a traditional bank to these 2bit ponzis insults science.  In the USA bank assets must be > total deposits.  FDIC insures this.  a "bank run" is not comparable to how a Ponzi unfolds

2) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah0rJ1eK8mwpdEs2MFRfbGQybGhNamo1aGhDSURaT1E#gid=0  here is a doc showing how at 7% per week if you invest $100 it returns $130 trillion in 8 yrs.  still think its not a Ponzi?
Hey, who told you that pirate or others dont have assets over their total deposits? They can be absolutely same with banks. They just need time to turn they assets to btc. In some cases this might not be possible in short time, same with banks.

You are still judging on facts, that no one promised you. Where have u read that this would last for even one year guaranteed? Everyone is saying only about next 2-3 month MAX, and in that case they are much lower that 7%/w
legendary
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That's nice, Dank Bank isn't up there.

im sorry but your scam isn't organized enough to be a ponzi.  did anyone buy u a house or car yet?  i think u have a chance given how easily tricked this community is.
If it's not a ponzi, how is it a scam?
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That's nice, Dank Bank isn't up there.

im sorry but your scam isn't organized enough to be a ponzi.

...I just spit Coke all over my keyboard reading that...lol
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