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Topic: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress: BTC-arbs still doing refunds - page 173. (Read 276958 times)

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Avoid!

Your opinion has been noted for the record. Please feel free to move along.

So no reply to my actual comments then? I'll take that as an acknowledgement of my views.

I have to admit that you sound like you know a whole lot more about the arbitrage process than I do. Note, I say you "sound" like you do because I can't verify whether your assertions are accurate. I would imagine that volume of funds available, timing, and the mechanisms of moving fiat are vital to the success of this type of operation, but I flatly just don't know. I do know that SecondMarket has an 11-person trading team dedicated to Bitcoin. I doubt they would incur this expense if there were not some profit in arbitrage trading. And I've acknowledged that btc-arbs could be a total scam and I will lose all of my funds tomorrow...

...But... You've given us your assessment of their business model, and since you're not interested to participate in their operation, that's really all you have to contribute here. That's why I suggested that you move along. I'm going to periodically update the thread with my experiences because I'm invested in this operation, but you've said your peace and really don't have a reason to continue to participate in the thread.
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Your opinion has been noted for the record. Please feel free to move along.

So no reply to my actual comments then? I'll take that as an acknowledgement of my views.
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I haven't yet read about a single instance of malfeasance by btc-arbs. Deposits are posting, variable daily income is being accrued and withdrawals are coming out.
Which is true for any Ponzi scheme until it collapses.

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The guy says he implements 2-factor at the request of users and now people are saying its just further elaboration of a larger scam.
Implementing 2FA doesn't prove anything one way or the other. It's not very difficult to implement.

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I realize we have to be hyper-sensitive about scams, but btc-arbs isn't being pushy or sleazy in how they attract clients and so far have not misrepresented their business model or stolen anything.

Can we bear these facts in mind as well as the discussion progresses? I could be way off and totally lose my funds with them tomorrow, but as of today I have absolutely no tangible evidence to expect that will happen.

BTC-Arbs.com has not shown a single piece of evidence that there's actual trading going on. No contact information (other than email) either.

The results they post are simply too good to be true. They claim to have 10 people working for them out of a Geneva office. Just add up the costs for such an operation, in one of the most expensive cities in the world. Then consider that a 2% difference in exchange rates between different exchanges doesn't mean a 2% profit. Since you need both fiat and BTC to make the arbitrage-trade, your profit is already down to half that of the price-difference. Then you need to keep reserves of both fiat and BTC on all exchanges, while not all reserves are used every day.

Often price-differences are predominantly one-way: For example, BTC-e is almost always cheaper than Bitstamp. So it is necessary to wire USD from Bitstamp to your bank account and onward to BTC-e, which can easily take over a week. So a large part of the funds is sitting inactive or is locked up in wire-transfers. The price-difference required to achieve the stated results is several times higher than the actual profit figure. And that's not counting all their operational expenses.

While this Ponzi scheme is more sophisticated than most, by providing a believable backstory (arbitrage trading is legit and can make you some money, I know from experience) along with daily reports, but in the end the numbers just don't add up. The claimed profits are far too high. And why would a legitimate company making these amounts of profits after deducting the costs of 10 employees and a Geneva-office be seeking tiny investments from random internet-people? Regular investors and VCs should be jumping on such an opportunity and for a company those investors would be far more preferably, since you get a large sum in one go without having to fuss about with deposits and withdrawals all the time.

Avoid!
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Let's see if I can draw a shill label as well.

I haven't yet read about a single instance of malfeasance by btc-arbs. Deposits are posting, variable daily income is being accrued and withdrawals are coming out.

The guy says he implements 2-factor at the request of users and now people are saying its just further elaboration of a larger scam.

I realize we have to be hyper-sensitive about scams, but btc-arbs isn't being pushy or sleazy in how they attract clients and so far have not misrepresented their business model or stolen anything.

Can we bear these facts in mind as well as the discussion progresses? I could be way off and totally lose my funds with them tomorrow, but as of today I have absolutely no tangible evidence to expect that will happen.
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Who knows what kind of twisted games people are playing. 2 Factor Authentication may just be a small way "Adam" draws more people in.
Maybe FreeJack is Adam, smoothing us over with - "maybe or maybe not" - sorry FreeJack if you are not "Adam".
At least Adam is not holding conference calls, doing videos, telling us he is doing this because he wants to help the hungry children of the world.
The fact that his name is Adam concerns me for historical reasons.
What is up with STP? Is it true he can only take in 250 dollars a day in deposits?

Let's call Adam & FreeJack two people.  At least that is something.    The FAQ also said you would "meet" most of them as a member.   So I'm just wondering.   
newbie
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Who knows what kind of twisted games people are playing. 2 Factor Authentication may just be a small way "Adam" draws more people in.
Maybe FreeJack is Adam, smoothing us over with - "maybe or maybe not" - sorry FreeJack if you are not "Adam".
At least Adam is not holding conference calls, doing videos, telling us he is doing this because he wants to help the hungry children of the world.
The fact that his name is Adam concerns me for historical reasons.
What is up with STP? Is it true he can only take in 250 dollars a day in deposits?
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Always got responses from Adam only as well.

But shhh, don't say here that there might be noone but him in btc-arbs. I had to delete all my posts because OP considered such allegations too imprudent for this thread Wink
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I had a deposit wasn't done at the 8 hour mark so I opened a support ticket.  Adam took care of it, but I wasn't over impressed by the cookie cutter response I got explaining that bitcoin deposits can take time.   (I was at 46 confirmations when I put in the support ticket and there were a bunch of long blocks that day.)

My questions, as anyone got a response from anyone other than Adam?

Have U read the 1st post of this thread under the heading DEPOSITS?

I would recommended to refer to Post #35 - 37 + #59.

Did U miss this step: like Kirchwin did? >> Deposit and do nothing?
Did U go back to the site & click confirm? >> U must do this @ btc-arbs.com

I didn't miss a step, just seems like they are getting really slow.   I have another now that is up to 24 confirmations and I hit the confirm button at 2 confirmations.

Anyway that is why I was asking if anyone dealt with anyone other than Adam.   The FAQ says they have 10 people, I was just wondering if that is true. 
sr. member
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I had a deposit wasn't done at the 8 hour mark so I opened a support ticket.  Adam took care of it, but I wasn't over impressed by the cookie cutter response I got explaining that bitcoin deposits can take time.   (I was at 46 confirmations when I put in the support ticket and there were a bunch of long blocks that day.)

My questions, as anyone got a response from anyone other than Adam?

Have U read the 1st post of this thread under the heading DEPOSITS?

I would recommended to refer to Post #35 - 37 + #59.

Did U miss this step: like Kirchwin did? >> Deposit and do nothing?
Did U go back to the site & click confirm? >> U must do this @ btc-arbs.com
hero member
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I had a deposit wasn't done at the 8 hour mark so I opened a support ticket.  Adam took care of it, but I wasn't over impressed by the cookie cutter response I got explaining that bitcoin deposits can take time.   (I was at 46 confirmations when I put in the support ticket and there were a bunch of long blocks that day.)

My questions, as anyone got a response from anyone other than Adam?
sr. member
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Deposited for the first time 4 days ago and successfully withdrew 3 days worth of profit, they processed the request in less than an hour.

Seems unlikely that a ponzi scheme would be concerned with implementing 2-factor authentication.

Am just concerned with all of the high-performance trading platforms coming online, that the profitability of arbitrage may be diminishing.

Am building confidence in this operating though.

@FreeJack2k2 -- are you PM'ing with Adam via BitcoinTalk or another medium?

Just via the site's support/feedback tool. He's always responded to my questions, there.

I'd be more worried about the legitimacy if they were always delivering great returns and it wasn't so closely tied to market conditions and their cash movement, but it matches up with what the market's doing almost every time...and when it happens like today, where it's lower than you might expect, it's because their cash is tied up in wire transfers. It's happened multiple times since I've been a member there. They try to get the maximum out of an arbitrage chance which means they spend all the cash reserves, then they have to either wait until Bitcoin's price is close to even on the two major exchanges to move money back, or they wait longer for wire transfers. Because it's anonymous, there is always a risk that they'll shut down at any given moment...but that chance also exists with BTC-e, Vircurex, etc...etc... And honestly, if I were the one doing this, I don't know that I'd want to be broadcasting my activities or earnings to the world, either. I'd have the tax man banging on my door the next day.
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Deposited for the first time 4 days ago and successfully withdrew 3 days worth of profit, they processed the request in less than an hour.

Seems unlikely that a ponzi scheme would be concerned with implementing 2-factor authentication.

Am just concerned with all of the high-performance trading platforms coming online, that the profitability of arbitrage may be diminishing.

Am building confidence in this operating though.

@FreeJack2k2 -- are you PM'ing with Adam via BitcoinTalk or another medium?
sr. member
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I don't believe I ever got the "welcome" e-mail either, however once your account is set up you should just be able to log in with your username and password. You don't need to follow a confirmation link or anything like that.

Fortunately, today they added two-factor authentication with Google Authenticator. So you can add that to your login for an extra layer of security.

Unfortunately, they couldn't take advantage of the decent spread between BTC-e and Bitstamp today...they didn't have fiat in BTC-e to do it, apparently (learned this via PM with Adam on the site). I assume it's because of the arbitrage on Tuesday and they're still waiting on wire transfers. That's the big bottleneck in Bitcoin arbitrage...moving cash. Yet another demonstration of how much better Bitcoin is.
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I just wanted to deposit some btcs because of the positive reviews today (approx. 5 hours ago).
After registration it says "mail for activation was sent" but I still haven't received anything. I tried it with another Nick and mail adress 10 minutes ago - also nothing.

Has anyone had these troubles before? Should we take them serious or is it just a failure of their mail system`?

So U haven't been following this thread, may be just the latest page?

We have previously discuss this issue. U are definitely not the 1st to have this problem

I would recommended U to read, for your concerns:

Please refer to post:
# 39 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.20 +
# 43 + 44 + 45 + 55 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.40

hero member
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I just wanted to deposit some btcs because of the positive reviews today (approx. 5 hours ago).
After registration it says "mail for activation was sent" but I still haven't received anything. I tried it with another Nick and mail adress 10 minutes ago - also nothing.

Has anyone had these troubles before? Should we take them serious or is it just a failure of their mail system`?

Never got the activation email. Read here or somewhere else that it isn't necessary, is basically a "welcome". I was able to sign in and successfully deposit without it.
newbie
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I just wanted to deposit some btcs because of the positive reviews today (approx. 5 hours ago).
After registration it says "mail for activation was sent" but I still haven't received anything. I tried it with another Nick and mail adress 10 minutes ago - also nothing.

Has anyone had these troubles before? Should we take them serious or is it just a failure of their mail system`?
newbie
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i deposited with them yesterday. im getting interest already. decided to throw a little more btc at them and will let it ride out through the month. i will get be back with any problems i run into but so far so good
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After adding up my returns I can see that they are indeed rounded as was suggested earlier. Thats fine, add that to how they make money. I'm still happy with the percentage they're offering.
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Ive got money with them.  Withdrawals are working.  Going to try and withdrawal my initial investment after a month and play with house money incase it is a scam.  Seems legit so far.  Interest is impressive.
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