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Topic: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress: BTC-arbs still doing refunds - page 174. (Read 277012 times)

newbie
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Did anyone received some earnings from referral already? I have like 20 referrals but didn't make any money of them...

Sadly, I withdrew all my money but am still receiving commissions from referral daily interest.
I want to be in but the STP issue concerns me.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
In the long run, if they are really doing arbitration trades, the yields are going to go way down as the markets mature.   Of coarse if an exchange they are trading on goes under, there could also be a large loss.   

Yeah that's a risk, although they had the foresight to get out of Mt. Gox well before it went down, so they're no dummies. If one of the exchanges they use goes down, it'll affect a LOT of traders...so that's just one of the risks of trading Bitcoin online, period. BTC-e is totally anonymous and is still running fine, while Mt. Gox required account verifications and is in Chapter 15 now, with hundreds of millions lost. It's the wild west out there, right now.

However, New York just started taking applications for regulated exchanges to register there and that's going to add a new wrinkle to all of this, when those exchanges launch. I think it's likely that even more arbitrage opportunities with foreign exchanges will open up, because of that.

But yeah, long-term as the currency stabilizes in price, the exchanges will start to get a lot closer together and arbitrage won't be viable anymore...but I don't see the volatility decreasing until it's been widely adopted and the markets are a lot harder to move...and that's going to take years.
hero member
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I think the only significant referral income would come from people who decide to invest heavily in it and I think a lot of people are waiting for the site to establish a track record and some longevity, before they're willing to do that. Things seem to be going okay though, their daily reports and results are always in line with what has happened in the market. I watched very closely today and there was parity between BTC-e and Bitstamp, right up until around noon or so PST...so I was expecting a low percentage day. Then a spread opened up of about $15 for a window of time and having seen them talk about the opportunities they've had to rebalance thanks to the price parity the past couple of days, I figured they might be in a position to take advantage. Sure enough, this afternoon when I saw the report on the day's action, their comments reflected exactly that scenario. They'd set themselves up to profit from the move the past couple of days. It wasn't a huge spread, so the return wasn't giant...but it is directly in line with the market action and what's been said the past couple days. So that, to me, goes a long way toward demonstrating legitimacy.

In the long run, if they are really doing arbitration trades, the yields are going to go way down as the markets mature.   Of coarse if an exchange they are trading on goes under, there could also be a large loss.   
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
I think the only significant referral income would come from people who decide to invest heavily in it and I think a lot of people are waiting for the site to establish a track record and some longevity, before they're willing to do that. Things seem to be going okay though, their daily reports and results are always in line with what has happened in the market. I watched very closely today and there was parity between BTC-e and Bitstamp, right up until around noon or so PST...so I was expecting a low percentage day. Then a spread opened up of about $15 for a window of time and having seen them talk about the opportunities they've had to rebalance thanks to the price parity the past couple of days, I figured they might be in a position to take advantage. Sure enough, this afternoon when I saw the report on the day's action, their comments reflected exactly that scenario. They'd set themselves up to profit from the move the past couple of days. It wasn't a huge spread, so the return wasn't giant...but it is directly in line with the market action and what's been said the past couple days. So that, to me, goes a long way toward demonstrating legitimacy.
hero member
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Went to look at that Barclay's club site... Ow, my eyes. Can tell its got some Russian influence thats for sure.  Roll Eyes

Anyway.. The interest difference isn't as great as it first appears. 9.5% is promised. Within the FAQ you see that its 9.5% every business day. BTC-arbs works 7 days a week. So the interest is still greater on the Barclays site, but its not 10:1. Averaged out its more in the range of 5:1.

What site is that?  (URL please)

https://barclaysclub.com/

Note.. I have no knowledge or interest in that site. I just went to look at it after it was mentioned earlier in the thread here.

Also interesting to me is that theres a whole bunch of these services. I had no idea. They must go out of business regularly with as many as there are. There's probably at least a dozen active ones with a similar model. Looking at about 5 of them, about 1/2 accepted bitcoin as a form of deposit.

This makes me think its best to do for a short period of time, with funds that you don't really need back.

That one does look just like a Ponzi scheme.   There isn't even a story about how they manage the investments.   Thanks.
newbie
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Well, that explains some things. If the referral earnings don't accumulate over days the treshold is pretty high.

Let's say 1% of profit, your referral needs a balance of at least 0.2 BTC to get you referral earnings (0.2*0.01*0.05 = 0.0001).
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Did anyone received some earnings from referral already? I have like 20 referrals but didn't make any money of them...

Yeah, they have to carry a balance and be earning a return in order for you to see anything from having them as a referral.

Also, have U noticed that, btc-arbs.com, only show your BTC balance with 4 decimal places, eg. BTC0.1234. If any earnings is less than 4 decimal places, they will be ignored

I'm guessing they probably just round it off, for the sake of simplicity. There have been slow days where one of my referrals gives me nothing at all, because it would have been beyond the four decimal place limit. I don't really care, it's pocket change. I'm not going to miss the 5 cents or less it represents lol Smiley
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Did anyone received some earnings from referral already? I have like 20 referrals but didn't make any money of them...

Yeah, they have to carry a balance and be earning a return in order for you to see anything from having them as a referral.

Also, have U noticed that, btc-arbs.com, only show your BTC balance with 4 decimal places, eg. BTC0.1234. If any earnings is less than 4 decimal places, they will be ignored

Have you tested and verified they don't accumulate over days, and are just not visible?
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Did anyone received some earnings from referral already? I have like 20 referrals but didn't make any money of them...

Yeah, they have to carry a balance and be earning a return in order for you to see anything from having them as a referral.

Also, have U noticed that, btc-arbs.com, only show your BTC balance with 4 decimal places, eg. BTC0.1234. If any earnings is less than 4 decimal places, they will be ignored
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Did anyone received some earnings from referral already? I have like 20 referrals but didn't make any money of them...

Yeah, they have to carry a balance and be earning a return in order for you to see anything from having them as a referral.
member
Activity: 66
Merit: 10
Went to look at that Barclay's club site... Ow, my eyes. Can tell its got some Russian influence thats for sure.  Roll Eyes

Anyway.. The interest difference isn't as great as it first appears. 9.5% is promised. Within the FAQ you see that its 9.5% every business day. BTC-arbs works 7 days a week. So the interest is still greater on the Barclays site, but its not 10:1. Averaged out its more in the range of 5:1.

What site is that?  (URL please)

https://barclaysclub.com/

Note.. I have no knowledge or interest in that site. I just went to look at it after it was mentioned earlier in the thread here.

Also interesting to me is that theres a whole bunch of these services. I had no idea. They must go out of business regularly with as many as there are. There's probably at least a dozen active ones with a similar model. Looking at about 5 of them, about 1/2 accepted bitcoin as a form of deposit.

This makes me think its best to do for a short period of time, with funds that you don't really need back.
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1057
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Did anyone received some earnings from referral already? I have like 20 referrals but didn't make any money of them...

I've stopped getting referral earnings, but it could be because my one referral withdrew funds.
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
Did anyone received some earnings from referral already? I have like 20 referrals but didn't make any money of them...
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 510
Went to look at that Barclay's club site... Ow, my eyes. Can tell its got some Russian influence thats for sure.  Roll Eyes

Anyway.. The interest difference isn't as great as it first appears. 9.5% is promised. Within the FAQ you see that its 9.5% every business day. BTC-arbs works 7 days a week. So the interest is still greater on the Barclays site, but its not 10:1. Averaged out its more in the range of 5:1.

What site is that?  (URL please)
member
Activity: 66
Merit: 10
Went to look at that Barclay's club site... Ow, my eyes. Can tell its got some Russian influence thats for sure.  Roll Eyes

Anyway.. The interest difference isn't as great as it first appears. 9.5% is promised. Within the FAQ you see that its 9.5% every business day. BTC-arbs works 7 days a week. So the interest is still greater on the Barclays site, but its not 10:1. Averaged out its more in the range of 5:1.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
I had a few bucks in btc-arbs.com for a week, but the return really isn't worth the risk, and I withdrew everything this morning.   They claim UP TO 10%, but it hasn't been remotely close to that ever. I think the biggest day they had was only 5%.  At that rate (highest single day) of return you're looking at minimum of 20 days (realistically closer to 40+ days ) to gain the interest of your initial investment.

That's what makes them more legitimate, in my eyes...not every day is going to have a great opportunity for arbitrage. However, they DO use the days (like today) where the exchanges are very close to each other, to rebalance their accounts and prepare for the high volatility days, without needing to wait for wire transfers. So that ends up being a positive. I have seen them miss the chance to capitalize on opportunities because a bunch of cash was tied up in wire transfers.

Where else can you put your Bitcoin where you'll see any kind of passive return? Even if you only managed to average .5% a day, that's better than any savings account you'll find.
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I had a few bucks in btc-arbs.com for a week, but the return really isn't worth the risk, and I withdrew everything this morning.   They claim UP TO 10%, but it hasn't been remotely close to that ever. I think the biggest day they had was only 5%.  At that rate (highest single day) of return you're looking at minimum of 20 days (realistically closer to 40+ days ) to gain the interest of your initial investment.

If I'm going to gable any amount of money based on interest I'm going to go with something with a fixed rate (9%+) like barclaysclub.com.  Even if their website is twice as sketchy, if they hand out a guaranteed 9% I'm looking at only 11 buisness days to make back (free daily withdraws) my investment.  Even if they run away with my initial investment at the end of day 12 I'll have made it all back +9%.

In summary: btc-arbs.com may look good on paper (up to 10% returns daily), they rarely have good returns, and they charge a btc fee per withdrawal.

"Invest" (i.e gamble) your money safely and never invest more than you're willing to loose.

- VR
I am in no way paid by or working with/for Barclaysclub.com or btc-arbs.com
hero member
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Merit: 500
A relative has had good experiences for the last week or two with this, and passed along this website. I'm on the fence, but have a little appetite for adventure. Won't "invest" more than I'm willing to lose, but an argument can be made both ways as far as the "scam" accusation goes. Only time will tell. I just have one more question -- and I'm throwing this out there not to be a prick, but for legitimate discussion...

If there's no profit in arbitrage opportunities, then why does SecondMarket have an "11-person Bitcoin trading team"?

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/25/secondmarket-bitcoin-exchange/
member
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Interesting concept.  I'll throw some coin into the hat and see how it goes.  Daily % is average, Leancy is the best @ 5% daily but it's always good to diversify!!!
newbie
Activity: 4
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I agree: The arbitrage could be done the way they claim. In times of high market fluctuations there are even much higher opportunities (up to 6% after fee substration). But still, I think their trick is to claim they do something that is possible in principle. Why has it to be legit just because it's not obviously a scam? The poker proxy website thing that has been mentioned in this thread is proof enough for me, even if some people here say 'well, maybe it's the same website template', do not forget the pages even have nearly the same contents (USD and BTC, results and blog entries), and the new one came up just the moment the old one died. Honestly, I am also exited by the daily profits and stuff, but who could seriously argue that all this is just coincidence?
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