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Topic: BTC is not going UP anytime soon and here is why. - page 2. (Read 879 times)

legendary
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I'm staying in until 2022 at the latest; if it hasn't done something spectacular by then, I think I'll withdraw about 90% of what I have invested.

2022 is very far away and by that time, bitcoin will make its all time high again. So if you can hold it by that time, you should be sure that you will be millionaire by that time. Not many people has such holding powers and that's the reason they want bitcoin to rise fastly.
full member
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Bitcoin is too unpredictable and probably it will not grow for a long time. Despite this I will still hold my coins and wait time when it will go to the moon.
legendary
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We have nasdaq working on a new ETF, we have SEC working on deciding on the ETF and we have Bakkt hoping to provide another, we have bank of america doing patents like crazy and we have wall street banks investing into crypto companies as well and we have been at a higher price than any price in crypto history except last 1.5 year.

Nasdaq is planning to launch their own futures market, haven't heard anything about an ETF. More importantly, both Nasdaq and Bakkt won't be able to launch any sort of product without regulatory approval (which they don't have yet), and while I initially believed it would be an easy okay, I'm somewhat more bearish towards these platforms right now.

As for the patents of BAC, it's not much to be excited about. Hundreds of entities are securing crypto related patents on a daily basis, which is more like domain hoarding; it's great to have in your portfolio, but only time will tell which ones will be the money makers. Most of these patents will expire unused anyway.

Don't focus on external elements. Focus on what Bitcoin has to offer going forward (i.e. LN, Schnorr, side chains, etc). Fundamentals we can build on. Smiley
legendary
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be constructive or S.T.F.U




It doesn't matter if you feel confident that this rally will continue in a prolonged manner, but the nature of the market cannot be nailed just like that, because we don't know what will happen tomorrow or the coming week at the price of bitcoin, maybe the price will suddenly rise ( deviated from what you said). Sorry, that's the only hope I have at the moment.

well if the price rises and the trend turns fully bullish then sure as hell i will buy, I do not like catching falling knives, everything now points to lower prices, even if we shot to 6k the next hour this does not change the overall sentiment of this extra-bearish market. I think the biggest mistake one can make is blindly catching a falling knife simply because they are afraid to miss the bottom.


hero member
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You are right but in my opinion the price of bitcoin will grow next year, maybe not so much as most expect but right now i think whales are filling their bags with a lot of coins not only bitcoin and they know what to do. I expect for a 15,000$ price next year or a bit more.
legendary
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Even if it drops a lot more to a point like $1.4k which was the previous all time high before last years rally it still doesn't mean bitcoin is dead, we are talking about a coin that has been less than all these prices except for the past 2 summers, instead we are focusing on how bitcoin is going to die and is over with.

We have nasdaq working on a new ETF, we have SEC working on deciding on the ETF and we have Bakkt hoping to provide another, we have bank of america doing patents like crazy and we have wall street banks investing into crypto companies as well and we have been at a higher price than any price in crypto history except last 1.5 year.

Regardless of all that here we are talking about how bitcoin is not going up any time soon. I am sorry to say this but I do not agree with you at all.
legendary
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The patter of the new rally starting from the point of previous ATH is not going to last for long, because that would mean exponential growth over the years. This cycle can easily be the last of it's kind, and the swings of next cycles can become much lower. I just don't see Bitcoin going to six figures in the coming years - there's no fundamentals for that, people are not going to massively switch from banks to Bitcoin, a global economic crisis won't make people massively buy Bitcoin either.

i never bought into the idea that bitcoin would benefit from an economic crisis. probably just the opposite.

but i don't think bitcoin needs that---or for people to abandon banks---for exponential adoption to continue. i think the store-of-value/investment use case coupled with bitcoin's network liquidity might be all that's required.

think about middle class 401k and pension fund investors, physical gold bugs, institutional trade desks, and so on. even JP morgan believes bitcoin "could join gold as a reliable, long-term way to store wealth" and become "a more traditional asset class". maybe that's a longshot, but if it truly comes to resemble a gold-like asset, we could even see governments hold reserves.

if you consider the extreme scarcity of bitcoins (most of the supply has already been mined and much of it probably lost), i'd be really surprised if this past bubble was the last.
full member
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I am not rushing to buy bitcoin, i am not afraid to miss the rally simply because of the nature of the market cycles.

I am almost certain that the price will fall even further from here, but indeed it will always correct, for all i know price could go back up all the way to 5.5k to re-test it but that will only be the fuel for a further dip and not the begging of a rally. 

It doesn't matter if you feel confident that this rally will continue in a prolonged manner, but the nature of the market cannot be nailed just like that, because we don't know what will happen tomorrow or the coming week at the price of bitcoin, maybe the price will suddenly rise ( deviated from what you said). Sorry, that's the only hope I have at the moment.

unless you are buying for the very long term ( years ) then i rather wait for a better signal to buy. so from now to the accumulation stage, we could see many bull traps, 10-20% up , people start jumping on the MOON boat only to end up sinking.

You are right even though this strategy can be considered old-fashioned but this one strategy the fact's effective and real able to penetrate various bad phases (bear/side).
legendary
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be constructive or S.T.F.U

if you look at the chart, you can see the price rose up slow and steady from the low of 2014 to the previews ATH formed on Dec 2013 around ( 1170 $).


The patter of the new rally starting from the point of previous ATH is not going to last for long, because that would mean exponential growth over the years. This cycle can easily be the last of it's kind, and the swings of next cycles can become much lower. I just don't see Bitcoin going to six figures in the coming years - there's no fundamentals for that, people are not going to massively switch from banks to Bitcoin, a global economic crisis won't make people massively buy Bitcoin either.


there is no way that this cycle will be the last of it's kind, look at the stock market over the last 100 years. it always moves in 3 main phases. Bull,Bear and Sideways before the next bull swing.

however you are right in terms of % growth , there is no way that every bull phase will have the same % of growth, but every time a bear market ends, a new ATH has to be made, for all i know the next ATH could be just about 40k, it doesn't have to do the same growth in % of 2015-2017 , it is not very possible, the bigger the market cap the harder the growth, but every end of a bull run has to mark a higher high than the previews ATH. this is the nature of every market on planet earth.
member
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The market drops because of newbies like they sell in low price their investment,news that like FUD or negative about crypto then manipulation so if this turn well in the future like of course if we unite to grow this or if we unite to sell our investment in high i think it will happen so just hold and wait until we experience that like believe in crypto that we can earn here
i agree with you. Those manipulators had make difficult for crypto to rise as they can influence the market situation while the prices are in lower level. I think those manipulators don't want to bring the price higher if they can't get the right price for them at the bottom.
full member
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The market drops because of newbies like they sell in low price their investment,news that like FUD or negative about crypto then manipulation so if this turn well in the future like of course if we unite to grow this or if we unite to sell our investment in high i think it will happen so just hold and wait until we experience that like believe in crypto that we can earn here

There are lots of factors that affects the value of such coins, I presume that it's not those newbies triggered about the fall of prices but rather some big whales who somehow controlling the supply of BTC. This is how business works, in order to have a cycle and we should try to accept that kind of fact.
legendary
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I'm staying in until 2022 at the latest; if it hasn't done something spectacular by then, I think I'll withdraw about 90% of what I have invested.

This is a terrible strategy, if you wait till 2022 and your fears turn out true bitcoin may very well be worth a buck by that point.

why is it terrible?
i agree that it is not the best strategy but it is nowhere near terrible either. you want to invest in bitcoin for long term not short term if you are not a trader. and that is how you do it. you buy in the yearly dips and hold it for a year at least. all these ups and downs that are causing drama are for short term.
additionally you always invest what you can afford to lose. it is true that bitcoin might be worth $1 by 2022 but so does anything else you ever invest in. as an investor you weigh the risks and rewards and then invest which means there is also a chance that bitcoin is worth $100k and based on that you have a risk/reward ratio.
member
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I'm staying in until 2022 at the latest; if it hasn't done something spectacular by then, I think I'll withdraw about 90% of what I have invested.

This is a terrible strategy, if you wait till 2022 and your fears turn out true bitcoin may very well be worth a buck by that point.
legendary
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if you look at the chart, you can see the price rose up slow and steady from the low of 2014 to the previews ATH formed on Dec 2013 around ( 1170 $).


The patter of the new rally starting from the point of previous ATH is not going to last for long, because that would mean exponential growth over the years. This cycle can easily be the last of it's kind, and the swings of next cycles can become much lower. I just don't see Bitcoin going to six figures in the coming years - there's no fundamentals for that, people are not going to massively switch from banks to Bitcoin, a global economic crisis won't make people massively buy Bitcoin either.
newbie
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with the rate the downhill is going, it is really possible.
full member
Activity: 265
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The market drops because of newbies like they sell in low price their investment,news that like FUD or negative about crypto then manipulation so if this turn well in the future like of course if we unite to grow this or if we unite to sell our investment in high i think it will happen so just hold and wait until we experience that like believe in crypto that we can earn here
hero member
Activity: 2646
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Markets are driven by fear and greed.This is the main reason I don't believe in technical analysis,mathematical/statistical models or drawing random lines on some charts.
Currently the fear is dominating over greed and it will take lots of time(maybe 2 years),before the greed starts to dominate over fear.

I don't look at the charts for indicators as Bitcoins is not like our stocks, where past trends can dictate the outcome of present or future prices. I believe Bitcoins prices should be judged on the basis of Fomo, and public sentiments which I feel are increasing day by day as public is demanding Bitcoins etf approval from sec. Also with the launch of Nasdaq Bitcoins futures, Bakkt coming we shall see a price rally, and if Sec approves the etf it shall definitely reach 15k or more in Q1 of 2019.
legendary
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2019 suppose to be a big year, I mean not because of what happened in 2018 but because what could happen in 2020.

First of all, we saw that there is no more trusting to miners, since the miners were the ones that caused all of this chaos to begin with and when the difficulty drops a lot we see that the cost of bitcoin mining drops with it and when we said bitcoin will be stable at $6k we said it because that was a bit above what the cost for mining but now it dropped as further as $3.4k.

So, why trust the 2020 halving but that is also a valid point for increase since even that $3.4k will become $10k or even higher and there is 2 more years for that which means the difficulty will eventually go higher as well. There will be ETF's probably and there will be traditional investor coming in too. It would be really difficult for 2019 to go low when you combine all things that will happen.
hero member
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Markets are driven by fear and greed.This is the main reason I don't believe in technical analysis,mathematical/statistical models or drawing random lines on some charts.
Currently the fear is dominating over greed and it will take lots of time(maybe 2 years),before the greed starts to dominate over fear.
legendary
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Where is my ring of blades...
looking at BTC chart  from the drop in late 2013-2014 the market lost volatility and remained in a sort of "stand-by" mode for roughly a whole year (300 days).

because there were not many things to drive a big price increase, things like:

- japan accepting bitcoin
- bitcoin cash hard fork (free coins)
- Then had news from South Korea
- launch of bitcoin futures

When CME futures were launched, it actually triggered a big decrease in price. BTC never recovered.

And look what happened with the recent BCH hard fork. Free coins, right? Both coins combined are worth much less than the original BCH, and the entire market has crashed. That's a stark contrast to the "hard fork = free coins = everything pumps" mentality of 2017.

It just goes to show you: good news doesn't mean rising price. In a bear market, good news doesn't matter at all. Nobody cares, everybody sells.

the "news" caused the rise not the launch itself. it is the old buy the rumor sell the news or whatever Cheesy
when the hype of Futures started the price started rising with it and broke the $10k and headed for $20k. by the time the market actually began the hype was over and the rise with it and we were in a bubble so the drop started.
it is like halving that people love to talk about these days. the price doesn't rise because reward halves on a certain block. it rises because of the hype of it and it starts rising 1 or 2 months prior to halving when the actual hype begins. then the real rise comes about 4-6 months after the halving as the injection of new coins by miners into market slows down and halves.

as for this BCH fork it was free coins for BCH holders not bitcoin holders and it is not just a fork it is a full on war between two parties with near equal power. but the last year's fork was free coins for bitcoin holders also it was a war but one side (BCH) was so weak compared to bitcoin side. and also it coincided with bitcoin fork to activate SegWit so it wasn't all about the free coins it was a rise due to scaling bitcoin and moving forward.
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