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legendary
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August 18, 2014, 01:38:20 PM
Do you have any idea or explanation how this Coin keept it's value in this bloody days?

There is close to nothing that makes this coin looking attractive to me personel but this observed price stability fact makes me very courious. That's an indication for value.

maybe a coin that actually makes bitcoin anon has some attraction? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-made-anonymous-bitcoindark-unprecedented-033200415.html

maybe tech that is somewhat understandable from DarkPaper? http://www.flipgorilla.com/p/23023990364728535/show#/23023990364728535/0

maybe availability of source code in realtime https://github.com/jl777/libjl777

maybe fantastic community that knows to HODL?

maybe 5% per year interest rate from staking?

maybe expectation of anon debit card?

maybe revenue sharing from InstantDEX and teleport fees?

maybe decentralized peer to peer sportsbook coming later this year?

Then again, it could just be random luck

James
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August 18, 2014, 01:37:23 PM
If you look at coinmarketcap, the top is a sea of red.
BTCD has gone from .004 to .0045, ~10% higher level, which doesnt seem like much, but when all the other coins are down 5%, 10%, 15% or more, gaining and holding onto 10% is quite good. I read that many people are actually trading crypto on margin! As if there isnt enough volatility for them just trading 1:1?!

Anyway, BTC and LTC have some places that are allowing short selling and this explains the freefall in LTC price. I think bitfinex is the culprit and guess what DRK trades there too, so maybe all this downward pressure is caused by the liquidation selling of people who had long position and of course this forced selling into not so liquid markets makes the drop exaggerated.

My advice, DONT MARGIN TRADE CRYPTO!
Silly peoples. It is dangerous enough to trade highly liquid markets with a lot of historical data to allow for reasonably accurate price predictors. To do this in relatively thinly traded crypto markets which are already apt to change +/- 10% daily is, well, I cant think of better word, stupid.

For things like USD, EUR, the price doesnt change much at all. a 1% change in a day is a tremendous move, like giant earthquake, everything is being revalued type of move. 0.1% is still quite a large move, so if all day everything is +/- 0.1% it gets very boring as you can make or lose much money, so what's the fun in that?

Enter margin trading. 0.1% is too boring, the answer is simple use 100:1 margin, now you get the much more interesting +/- 10% per day with occasional 50%+ days. Gee, that sounds like what crypto is without margin!

So, there is a big storm of uncontrolled selling that is feeding back on itself (as the price goes lower, it triggers more liquidation selling, which causes the price to go lower, etc.) I have no idea the extent of the margin trading, but until ALL their accounts are liquidated (they deserve it! bringing wall street crazy to crypto crazy is just crazy crazy) this selling could continue. So, if at the end of all this BTCD is still where it is, that means it has actually gained quite a bit. I would not be surprised at ~30% to 40% drop, so that would be BTC at $400 USD, I guess we are almost there!

BTCD is now at all time high ranking of #15 and I will predict now that BTCD will rank higher than LTC, possibly before end of this year, but primarily from its dropping down to where it belongs. What value does a coin that has faster blockchain than BTC have? It does have a rather large number of merchants that accept it, but does that make it worth so much? I think not.

Whatever we do, let us never allow BTCD to get traded on bitfinex or any exchange that offers margin! crazy crazy

James

You are right, margin trading is killing crypto. All it takes is a couple of whales lending out BTC to people who go long on BTC and then, right before going short themselves, crash the price. This is how they get rich while the noobs get burned.
sr. member
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August 18, 2014, 01:36:11 PM
Do you have any idea or explanation how this Coin keept it's value in this bloody days?

There is close to nothing that makes this coin looking attractive to me personel but this observed price stability fact makes me very courious. That's an indication for value.


With all do respect, it seems you know nothing about the Bitcoindark.  Please check the OP and read the following links. I think you will find the answers you're looking for.

New Visitors please take a look at the following for more information about BitcoinDark!

1) http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-made-anonymous-bitcoindark-unprecedented-033200415.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

2) http://bitscan.com/articles/anonymity-why-dark-is-the-new-black

3) http://nxter.org/btcd-to-pay-bitcoin-dividends-after-link-with-instantdex-instant-trading-service/

4) DarkPaper: http://www.flipgorilla.com/p/23023990364728535/show#/23023990364728535/0

legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 18, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
If you look at coinmarketcap, the top is a sea of red.
BTCD has gone from .004 to .0045, ~10% higher level, which doesnt seem like much, but when all the other coins are down 5%, 10%, 15% or more, gaining and holding onto 10% is quite good. I read that many people are actually trading crypto on margin! As if there isnt enough volatility for them just trading 1:1?!

Anyway, BTC and LTC have some places that are allowing short selling and this explains the freefall in LTC price. I think bitfinex is the culprit and guess what DRK trades there too, so maybe all this downward pressure is caused by the liquidation selling of people who had long position and of course this forced selling into not so liquid markets makes the drop exaggerated.

My advice, DONT MARGIN TRADE CRYPTO!
Silly peoples. It is dangerous enough to trade highly liquid markets with a lot of historical data to allow for reasonably accurate price predictors. To do this in relatively thinly traded crypto markets which are already apt to change +/- 10% daily is, well, I cant think of better word, stupid.

For things like USD, EUR, the price doesnt change much at all. a 1% change in a day is a tremendous move, like giant earthquake, everything is being revalued type of move. 0.1% is still quite a large move, so if all day everything is +/- 0.1% it gets very boring as you can make or lose much money, so what's the fun in that?

Enter margin trading. 0.1% is too boring, the answer is simple use 100:1 margin, now you get the much more interesting +/- 10% per day with occasional 50%+ days. Gee, that sounds like what crypto is without margin!

So, there is a big storm of uncontrolled selling that is feeding back on itself (as the price goes lower, it triggers more liquidation selling, which causes the price to go lower, etc.) I have no idea the extent of the margin trading, but until ALL their accounts are liquidated (they deserve it! bringing wall street crazy to crypto crazy is just crazy crazy) this selling could continue. So, if at the end of all this BTCD is still where it is, that means it has actually gained quite a bit. I would not be surprised at ~30% to 40% drop, so that would be BTC at $400 USD, I guess we are almost there!

BTCD is now at all time high ranking of #15 and I will predict now that BTCD will rank higher than LTC, possibly before end of this year, but primarily from its dropping down to where it belongs. What value does a coin that has faster blockchain than BTC have? It does have a rather large number of merchants that accept it, but does that make it worth so much? I think not.

Whatever we do, let us never allow BTCD to get traded on bitfinex or any exchange that offers margin! crazy crazy

James
hero member
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August 18, 2014, 01:22:24 PM
Do you have any idea or explanation how this Coin keept it's value in this bloody days?

There is close to nothing that makes this coin looking attractive to me personel but this observed price stability fact makes me very courious. That's an indication for value.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 18, 2014, 01:18:42 PM
There seems to be two or three people running a test version
the strange thing is that this version was not made available publicly...
It did help us discover a bug that we are fixing, but kind of strange to have a few mystery nodes running a dev test version.
Is anybody willing to admit they are running test version?

James
sr. member
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August 18, 2014, 11:55:08 AM
Forex Minute are reporting that the Teleport beta is available.  http://www.forexminute.com/bitcoin/bitcoindark-teleport-anonymous-use-41918
sr. member
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August 18, 2014, 11:14:24 AM
In my opinion if someone don't know how much should he donate.
http://bitcoindark.net/development-pot
Little math 1.6 milion coins guys need 5 k
So if you own 100 k it should be 312.5 BTCD
But let's double it ( ' let say somebody don't know he should donate' )
So
100k           BTCD = 625   BTCD
10k             BTCD = 62.5  BTCD
(1k) 1000    BTCD = 6.25  BTCD
Is it bad idea ?


okay thats completely incorrect James investment asset owns 120k btcd.. that is not the core developments funds those funds belong to James and his investors. And it should also be noted that James personally matches the communities funding which is un heard of in crypto.

this is an actual community project so there is no need to have a flood of dumped btc to "fund" development, this isnt a bucket of crabs looking for payout, this is seasoned investors and technology fanatics. We are the crypto revolution.
sr. member
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August 18, 2014, 09:11:14 AM
James, I am going to the studio today to work on the tshirt screen.  Below it the simple concept I have come up with.  I will have to stick to a one screen design as we have a massive multi screen job on and all screens are tied up for the next month or so.

Let me know what you think.



If you could contact https://www.coinpayments.net and get BTCD listed that would be awesome.  They take a small fee for orders but its a great system to keep track of them.  I used them for www.cryptohut.co.uk/blackmoon

Smiley
hero member
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I'm on drugs, what's your excuse?
August 18, 2014, 07:29:09 AM
So I read James' DarkPaper with much interest and was thoroughly entertained to boot. I'm a believer in POS and invest heavily in NXT (and now BTCD) compared to BTC, (probably because I missed the BTC rocket). None-the-less, I do have hardcore bitcoiner friends who did rocket and are POW hardliners.

I question the psychology of how BTCD will attract BTC hardliners and how we as a community intend to stand by POS/teleport as a means to darken BTC. In other words, maybe I don't see how teleporting will be a "sell" to bitcoiners (as if darkening btc is not enough to simply sell BTCD)...but how will the POWed bitcoins (or other POW and POS coins) intend to teleport "through" the BTCD blockchain? Will this process of teleporting risk turning bitcoin into a POS coin, even if only temporarily thereby getting snubbed by some of those hardliners?

Maybe I missed this in the DarkPapers...it was a long read (should give it a second run) but in the meantime, can someone clarify?

How I understand it is that you don't have to have BTCD at all. It will offer teleporting  that will allow any coin to use the service.

It will not turn any coin into another coin

As well as developing new tech to decentralize trading of coins and assets, I believe all fee's for new tech's will be payable in BTCD

If these new service's take off people who hold BTCD should be in for some nice returns.
hero member
Activity: 585
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August 18, 2014, 07:02:10 AM
So I read James' DarkPaper with much interest and was thoroughly entertained to boot. I'm a believer in POS and invest heavily in NXT (and now BTCD) compared to BTC, (probably because I missed the BTC rocket). None-the-less, I do have hardcore bitcoiner friends who did rocket and are POW hardliners.

I question the psychology of how BTCD will attract BTC hardliners and how we as a community intend to stand by POS/teleport as a means to darken BTC. In other words, maybe I don't see how teleporting will be a "sell" to bitcoiners (as if darkening btc is not enough to simply sell BTCD)...but how will the POWed bitcoins (or other POW and POS coins) intend to teleport "through" the BTCD blockchain? Will this process of teleporting risk turning bitcoin into a POS coin, even if only temporarily thereby getting snubbed by some of those hardliners?

Maybe I missed this in the DarkPapers...it was a long read (should give it a second run) but in the meantime, can someone clarify?
member
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August 18, 2014, 05:28:49 AM
How does this technology compare with the one in XMR??
newbie
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August 18, 2014, 05:16:31 AM
Sold all my DRK, just bought BTCD.. from Dark to Dark !! Grin

P.S. For some reason XMR is missing?, so I think we are 6 spots away from DRK and my guess is that it wont be the top anon coin for very long as XMR or X2 will pass it very soon.


25. XMR
unless millions of XMR just vaporized, the coinmarket cap number is wrong.
I am pretty sure there were around 4 million XMR and not 800K

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8401623
hero member
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August 18, 2014, 04:42:15 AM
Hi guys, I just got the word out to different channels about the press release :

Post in the BTCtalk Altcoin thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8412605

Post in the BTCtalk Bitcoin thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8412842

Post in r/BitcoinDark: http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoindark/comments/2dvc18/bitcoin_made_anonymous_by_bitcoindarks/

Post in r/Bitcoin: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dvdme/bitcoin_made_anonymous_by_bitcoindarks/

Any of you regulars, please check those threads and answer questions people may have. Please remain courteous, even if we might attract some flak.
BTCD is about positivism and being impartial, the whole crypto realm can benefit from our technology.

Kind regards,

Springfield
legendary
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August 18, 2014, 04:26:44 AM
Sold all my DRK, just bought BTCD.. from Dark to Dark !! Grin

P.S. For some reason XMR is missing?, so I think we are 6 spots away from DRK and my guess is that it wont be the top anon coin for very long as XMR or X2 will pass it very soon.


25. XMR
unless millions of XMR just vaporized, the coinmarket cap number is wrong.
I am pretty sure there were around 4 million XMR and not 800K
full member
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August 18, 2014, 04:25:28 AM
P.S. For some reason XMR is missing?, so I think we are 6 spots away from DRK and my guess is that it wont be the top anon coin for very long as XMR or X2 will pass it very soon.


25. XMR
legendary
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August 18, 2014, 04:20:50 AM
Sold all my DRK, just bought BTCD.. from Dark to Dark !! Grin
Welcome to the home of Teleport!

The DRK collapse is just so quick, its market cap is now less than three times BTCD, that's the marketcap!
Just 5 spots on coinmarketcap apart (I dont count bytecoin that bounces from 4 to 5 satoshis, causes big percentage changes all the time)

At this rate, BTCD could be the top ranked anon coin, as soon as Teleport is in production release, or when people are convinced that nothing will stop it from production release. I need to get some rest so I can finish the last loose ends.

James

P.S. For some reason XMR is missing?, so I think we are 6 spots away from DRK and my guess is that it wont be the top anon coin for very long as XMR or X2 will pass it very soon.
hero member
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Merit: 1000
August 18, 2014, 04:15:04 AM
Is the Mac Wallet file corrupt? It won't open on my mac.
welcome to the neighborhood!
Mac wallet worked for me, but I get slightly better staking results using windows wallet via parallels

James

Downloading with Safari led to the problem. Firefox worked.
newbie
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August 18, 2014, 04:13:57 AM
Sold all my DRK, just bought BTCD.. from Dark to Dark !! Grin
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 18, 2014, 04:00:30 AM
Is the Mac Wallet file corrupt? It won't open on my mac.
welcome to the neighborhood!
Mac wallet worked for me, but I get slightly better staking results using windows wallet via parallels

James
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