BTCFPGA bASIC updated from 54GH/s to 72HG/s

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Quote from: yordan on March 25, 2013, 05:50:12 AM

Quote from: Devious on November 23, 2012, 08:18:00 PM

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With two clusters on the larger unit, it will conservatively produce 72GH/s. Yes, this is very good news - a 33% increase in hashing power! Yes, this means the 27G unit now becomes a 36G unit.

From https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/

Those ordering from Tom are happy!-)

The website is down where I can find info about this?

Here for example: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/basic-btc-refunds-list-v20-152980

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Quote from: yordan on March 25, 2013, 05:50:12 AM

Quote from: Devious on November 23, 2012, 08:18:00 PM

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With two clusters on the larger unit, it will conservatively produce 72GH/s. Yes, this is very good news - a 33% increase in hashing power! Yes, this means the 27G unit now becomes a 36G unit.

From https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/

Those ordering from Tom are happy!-)

The website is down where I can find info about this?

Those ordering from Tom are now screwed. Tom will not deliver and a lot of customers did not get a refund of the pre-order money. Tom is a crook and a liar. Forget doing business with Thomas Van Riper!

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dafq is goin on

Quote from: yordan on March 25, 2013, 05:50:12 AM

Quote from: Devious on November 23, 2012, 08:18:00 PM

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With two clusters on the larger unit, it will conservatively produce 72GH/s. Yes, this is very good news - a 33% increase in hashing power! Yes, this means the 27G unit now becomes a 36G unit.

From https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/

Those ordering from Tom are happy!-)

The website is down where I can find info about this?

<3 ^^

yordan

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Quote from: Devious on November 23, 2012, 08:18:00 PM

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With two clusters on the larger unit, it will conservatively produce 72GH/s. Yes, this is very good news - a 33% increase in hashing power! Yes, this means the 27G unit now becomes a 36G unit.

From https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/

Those ordering from Tom are happy!-)

The website is down where I can find info about this?

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Quote from: hardcore-fs on November 29, 2012, 08:34:17 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on November 28, 2012, 11:34:57 AM

Quote from: crazyates on November 28, 2012, 11:19:37 AM

Quote from: bitboyben on November 28, 2012, 02:47:12 AM

Due to a conflict of interest?....
There is a tasty tidbit...
I don't know what that means but very curious!
What if BFL and bASIC had the same companies producing thier chips!!!
Crazy? Yeah probably.

But one is 65nm, and the other is 110nm? Seems unlikely.

Everything I've read indicates that BFL used a small fab with their own inhouse design, while bASIC is using an off the shelf IP core with Bitcoin tweaks, manufactured by TSMC at 90nm.

TSMC is also being used by the Chinese company.
As for BFL "in-house design" I find that to be unlikely, they are not ASIC experts....Shit they are not even FPGA experts.
On a side note....
Just looking at some of the 'public domain' FPGA code floating about... Iv'e already taken sections of it from 160Mhz up to a tad under 300Mhz WITHOUT hand optimization......

So when I look around and see all the old FPGA's with 2 or 3 cores PER FPGA AND multiple FPGA's producing so few hashes
It makes me wonder.

Do you have any source for this? I don't see why they couldn't be using UMC or ST, both offer 65nm.

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Quote from: hardcore-fs on November 29, 2012, 08:34:17 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on November 28, 2012, 11:34:57 AM

Quote from: crazyates on November 28, 2012, 11:19:37 AM

Quote from: bitboyben on November 28, 2012, 02:47:12 AM

Due to a conflict of interest?....
There is a tasty tidbit...
I don't know what that means but very curious!
What if BFL and bASIC had the same companies producing thier chips!!!
Crazy? Yeah probably.

But one is 65nm, and the other is 110nm? Seems unlikely.

Everything I've read indicates that BFL used a small fab with their own inhouse design, while bASIC is using an off the shelf IP core with Bitcoin tweaks, manufactured by TSMC at 90nm.

TSMC is also being used by the Chinese company.
As for BFL "in-house design" I find that to be unlikely, they are not ASIC experts....Shit they are not even FPGA experts.
On a side note....
Just looking at some of the 'public domain' FPGA code floating about... Iv'e already taken sections of it from 160Mhz up to a tad under 300Mhz WITHOUT hand optimization......

So when I look around and see all the old FPGA's with 2 or 3 cores PER FPGA AND multiple FPGA's producing so few hashes
It makes me wonder.

lulz

Sounds like BFL when they started making their first FPGA ... we're experts at this for 10 years ...

They stopped saying that ... for a reason ...

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Quote from: bitboyben on November 30, 2012, 05:33:46 AM

Hehe hand optimization, sounds dirty.

Damn...... I thought I had managed to slip a private joke in without anyone noticing.
The plan was a post with the words "hand optimization" & "In house custom ASIC design"

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Hehe hand optimization, sounds dirty.

Frequency

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COINDER

Is,n it a coincedence NON of the so called ASIC developers has delivered yet after screaming out loud for over half year yet delivering air over and over again gathering premoney Huh

?? Even more if they are all using there own fabric methodes? Huh

So or they are all fraud or they all suck really hard in promissing delivery date to naief well willing people...

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Quote from: MrTeal on November 28, 2012, 11:34:57 AM

Quote from: crazyates on November 28, 2012, 11:19:37 AM

Quote from: bitboyben on November 28, 2012, 02:47:12 AM

Due to a conflict of interest?....
There is a tasty tidbit...
I don't know what that means but very curious!
What if BFL and bASIC had the same companies producing thier chips!!!
Crazy? Yeah probably.

But one is 65nm, and the other is 110nm? Seems unlikely.

Everything I've read indicates that BFL used a small fab with their own inhouse design, while bASIC is using an off the shelf IP core with Bitcoin tweaks, manufactured by TSMC at 90nm.

TSMC is also being used by the Chinese company.
As for BFL "in-house design" I find that to be unlikely, they are not ASIC experts....Shit they are not even FPGA experts.
On a side note....
Just looking at some of the 'public domain' FPGA code floating about... Iv'e already taken sections of it from 160Mhz up to a tad under 300Mhz WITHOUT hand optimization......

So when I look around and see all the old FPGA's with 2 or 3 cores PER FPGA AND multiple FPGA's producing so few hashes
It makes me wonder.

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Quote from: Meatball on November 27, 2012, 11:12:29 PM

And for all the dinks ready to jump in with the "I told you ASIC was a Scam!" This is for you...

You need to be more succinct in your communication, If it is not going to impinge into your masturbation routine.

1. ASIC is a TECHNOLOGY that has been around for Decades, so it is highly unlikely it is a scam.

If you are referring to bitcoin ASIC mining technology... then please state so.

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Yeah, I believe it's(and someone correct me if I gaff) BFL = 65nm, bASIC = 90nm, Avalon = 110nm, ASICMiner = 130nm.

I hate the delay(duh), but I can't bail even though my orders are late in batch 1. I still have confidence that Tom can deliver the goods. I also believe he struck the most ideal balance between efficiency, maturity of process, and economics by going with 90nm. While BFL looks great on paper, going with 65nm for a first product was a tremendous risk and if their reports are to believed it's biting them right in the ass.

Release a first product based on a proven design using a process that's relatively efficient and mature. THEN you can work on that fancy full custom 65nm hot rod in the back room and release that on the competition when sales wane. Intel type tick tock approach.

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Quote from: crazyates on November 28, 2012, 11:19:37 AM

Quote from: bitboyben on November 28, 2012, 02:47:12 AM

Due to a conflict of interest?....
There is a tasty tidbit...
I don't know what that means but very curious!
What if BFL and bASIC had the same companies producing thier chips!!!
Crazy? Yeah probably.

But one is 65nm, and the other is 110nm? Seems unlikely.

Everything I've read indicates that BFL used a small fab with their own inhouse design, while bASIC is using an off the shelf IP core with Bitcoin tweaks, manufactured by TSMC at 90nm.

crazyates

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Quote from: bitboyben on November 28, 2012, 02:47:12 AM

Due to a conflict of interest?....
There is a tasty tidbit...
I don't know what that means but very curious!
What if BFL and bASIC had the same companies producing thier chips!!!
Crazy? Yeah probably.

But one is 65nm, and the other is 110nm? Seems unlikely.

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Quote from: bcpokey on November 28, 2012, 02:23:09 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on November 28, 2012, 01:41:21 AM

Quote from: Meatball on November 27, 2012, 11:12:29 PM

Ah, shit happens. You can't blame Dave or Tom. I can't imagine either of them isn't working their arse off to make things work and they probably haven't gotten much sleep lately. Regardless of who your hoping to get your ASIC through, we're looking at brand new tech and there's bound to be bumps.

And for all the dinks ready to jump in with the "I told you ASIC was a Scam!" This is for you...

Seriously, there's no way all these different vendors, some of which dislike each other a great deal, are in on some massive "Let's screw with people's with some vaporware!" plot. We'll get there, it's just gonna take some time.

Very well put Meatball Wink

I feel for ALL who are delayed,not just BFL Sad

Yeah,all the ASIC companies are trying to delay the release of said products,WTF Huh

Talk about conspiracy theories,I bet they would believe 9/11 was done by BoA,because the mortgage was due on the World Trade Center Cheesy

9/11 was done by BoA

_{_{_{(Bunch of Assholes)}}}

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What if BFL and bASIC had the same companies producing thier chips!!!
Crazy? Yeah probably.

I don´t think that is too far from reality. At least i wouldn´t be surprised. On the other hand i wouldn´t care either. So what ?

bitboyben

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Due to a conflict of interest?....
There is a tasty tidbit...
I don't know what that means but very curious!
What if BFL and bASIC had the same companies producing thier chips!!!
Crazy? Yeah probably.

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I love it when people argue points that were never made. I didn't say it was impossible. I don't see any of the three companies making a decent product anymore. They all seem to be in over their head. They could all go bankrupt trying to get something that works, and can be mass produced easily.

Quote from: squeept on November 28, 2012, 12:13:00 AM

ASIC done before. SHA done before. Sure, it's difficult and time consuming to produce the product in question, but anyone thinking it's impossible has no idea what the fuck they're talking about. If you think the idea of a bitcoin ASIC is a scam, you're goddamn delusional.

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Quote from: Unacceptable on November 28, 2012, 01:41:21 AM

Quote from: Meatball on November 27, 2012, 11:12:29 PM

Ah, shit happens. You can't blame Dave or Tom. I can't imagine either of them isn't working their arse off to make things work and they probably haven't gotten much sleep lately. Regardless of who your hoping to get your ASIC through, we're looking at brand new tech and there's bound to be bumps.

And for all the dinks ready to jump in with the "I told you ASIC was a Scam!" This is for you...

Seriously, there's no way all these different vendors, some of which dislike each other a great deal, are in on some massive "Let's screw with people's with some vaporware!" plot. We'll get there, it's just gonna take some time.

Very well put Meatball Wink

I feel for ALL who are delayed,not just BFL Sad

Yeah,all the ASIC companies are trying to delay the release of said products,WTF Huh

Talk about conspiracy theories,I bet they would believe 9/11 was done by BoA,because the mortgage was due on the World Trade Center Cheesy

9/11 was done by BoA

_{_{_{(Bunch of Assholes)}}}

Unacceptable

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Quote from: Meatball on November 27, 2012, 11:12:29 PM

Ah, shit happens. You can't blame Dave or Tom. I can't imagine either of them isn't working their arse off to make things work and they probably haven't gotten much sleep lately. Regardless of who your hoping to get your ASIC through, we're looking at brand new tech and there's bound to be bumps.

And for all the dinks ready to jump in with the "I told you ASIC was a Scam!" This is for you...

Seriously, there's no way all these different vendors, some of which dislike each other a great deal, are in on some massive "Let's screw with people's with some vaporware!" plot. We'll get there, it's just gonna take some time.

Very well put Meatball Wink

I feel for ALL who are delayed,not just BFL Sad

Yeah,all the ASIC companies are trying to delay the release of said products,WTF Huh

Talk about conspiracy theories,I bet they would believe 9/11 was done by BoA,because the mortgage was due on the World Trade Center Cheesy

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