BTCFPGA bASIC updated from 54GH/s to 72HG/s - page 4.

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Quote from: Easy2Mine on November 24, 2012, 06:51:05 PM

BFL already overclock the asics.
If they overclock to the maximum, the singles will do 8*10 GH/s=80 GH/s.
Not all asic chips will achieve that speed and I don't think they will last long.
Despite the smaller manufacturing proces they use, BFL asics seems to run slower per chip.
BFL chips are full custom made, I think they have plenty of room to optimize teir design at the next batch.
Cablepair is using already proven and optimize design technique. I don't think Cablepair has much room left to clock their chips higher if they want their chips to be reliable.
I think he will switch to a smaller proces at the next batch to stay competive.
Just my humble opinion.

Somehow, based on my experience, I think the same, but Inaba seems overconfident in last posts, I guess they might already got their "last version" of their chip, test it already and proved it qualifies.

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more for the customers! weeeeee

i think regardless people who pre-order will get their money worth. perhaps throw in a little single SC making a total of 90 gh/s Cheesy

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Quote from: Dagger75 on November 24, 2012, 12:18:24 AM

Quote from: Easy2Mine on November 23, 2012, 11:41:49 PM

BFL single has 8 asic chips per cluster.
Their boards and enclosure are already at final stage.
I don't think BFL has enough room to overclock the chips within a safe working enviroment.
The easiest way is give every customers 2 BFL singles for the price of 1.
2 BFL singles*8 asic chips per board=16 asic chips
Same amount chips as the bigger bASIC unit and we are all happy.

No offense Easy2Mine but as much as i'd love 2 Singles for the price of one this isn't going to happen. You should read up a bit more on BFL's actual process and I think you'd realize that BFL shouldn't have an issue bumping up the speeds of their chips to match this... Currently at 7.5GH per chip at 500Mhz and able to generally reach 1Ghz (if there was proper cooling). *From the information that's been given I think it'll just take a firmware tweak to bump it up no problem.

I'm certainly no fanboy but I'm quite sure it's not an issue. That said if I can find a way to come up with some more $$ I'd like to pick up a few of Toms bASICs asap. Tom is using the 90nm manufacturing process for his ASICs and will generally use more electricity than BFLs 65nm process thus giving off more heat (in general) but, I think he's doing pretty damn well with what he has, and will be keeping ever other ASIC Company on their respective Toes. I hope we all end up getting more GH/$ because of this as well as keeping our Electric bills a little more reasonable in the near future.

Now we just have to keep waiting as there're more delays from both companies because of changes made. I hope they are minor and finish up sooner than later... Huh

BFL already overclock the asics.
If they overclock to the maximum, the singles will do 8*10 GH/s=80 GH/s.
Not all asic chips will achieve that speed and I don't think they will last long.
Despite the smaller manufacturing proces they use, BFL asics seems to run slower per chip.
BFL chips are full custom made, I think they have plenty of room to optimize teir design at the next batch.
Cablepair is using already proven and optimize design technique. I don't think Cablepair has much room left to clock their chips higher if they want their chips to be reliable.
I think he will switch to a smaller proces at the next batch to stay competive.
Just my humble opinion.

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Quote from: SLok on November 24, 2012, 07:48:01 AM

Quote from: bitcoindaddy on November 24, 2012, 07:37:15 AM

I hope BFL does NOT try to match this new speed. I'd rather get the new device in my hands first and let them worry about trying to increase the speed later when things have settled down. But competition is a good thing. Congratulations.

Quote BFL_Josh: "We haven't decided specifically which way we want to make things even up with competitors products yet, but we have a lot of options and we will match competitors products that actually ship. We will not leave BFL customers behind the curve when it comes to hardware".

If BFL will do that , that would be great. From the other hand, that could take more time. Wait and see.

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Quote from: squeept on November 24, 2012, 10:47:20 AM

The only announcement from any company that will get me excited is someone announcing an actual shipment date. I could care less about a hashing power increase, especially when the rest of the announcement simply reads "we don't have any work done at all."

I'd have gladly taken a 20GH device 3 months ago over a 70GH device 2 months from now.

Ditto... Paper hash rate wars in the environment where time is so much more important are just silly.

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Quote from: bcpokey on November 24, 2012, 02:38:25 AM

As far as I understand it, all 3 major vendors first batch pre-order lists are full. Always room on the 2nd wave lists though (think they said that's scheduled for Jan '13)

http://store.avalon-asic.com/

Avalon project has 9 left over from the first batch.

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The only announcement from any company that will get me excited is someone announcing an actual shipment date. I could care less about a hashing power increase, especially when the rest of the announcement simply reads "we don't have any work done at all."

I'd have gladly taken a 20GH device 3 months ago over a 70GH device 2 months from now.

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I hope each companie will deliver quality product, competition is good, but often compromise quality. I prefer to have a solid, durable and reliable thing than a cheap one, whatever performance it accomplish !

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Quote from: bitcoindaddy on November 24, 2012, 07:37:15 AM

I hope BFL does NOT try to match this new speed. I'd rather get the new device in my hands first and let them worry about trying to increase the speed later when things have settled down. But competition is a good thing. Congratulations.

Quote BFL_Josh: "We haven't decided specifically which way we want to make things even up with competitors products yet, but we have a lot of options and we will match competitors products that actually ship. We will not leave BFL customers behind the curve when it comes to hardware".

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I hope BFL does NOT try to match this new speed. I'd rather get the new device in my hands first and let them worry about trying to increase the speed later when things have settled down. But competition is a good thing. Congratulations.

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And so the saga goes on..

So now we just wait until BFL comes with a (40) (60) 80gh device..

Maybe they will get some more pre-orders now..and gives m more time(to)frame..

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How much of the board design work and time was wasted by changing to 8 chips per cluster? Haven't they been working on a design with 6 chips per cluster for many weeks? How much has to be scrapped?

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As far as I understand it, all 3 major vendors first batch pre-order lists are full. Always room on the 2nd wave lists though (think they said that's scheduled for Jan '13)

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Wow this is great news and a smart move. BFL has better hash/watt ratio but bASIC now has a much better hash/$ ratio. If BFL delays again I think Tom will pick up some diversifying miners.

Is there still room on the preorder list?

The hardware wars begin!

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Quote from: Starlightbreaker on November 23, 2012, 10:58:52 PM

Quote from: kano on November 23, 2012, 10:57:24 PM

Quote from: Starlightbreaker on November 23, 2012, 10:00:59 PM

Quote from: ice_chill on November 23, 2012, 09:46:47 PM

BFL's ASIC can match that if they want. At 40Ghash their ASIC was running at 500Mhz, and they said it can do 1Ghz but not all chips will reach it. So 72GHash is possible.

and that's still a conservative estimate.

Quote

These initial numbers are conservative estimates, but we expect that firmware and software updates will be able to iteratively increase hashing power as well.

so it might be even faster than 72 gh/s

in normal circumstances, i strongly dislike luke-jr, but at times, he can work some magic.

Eh what?

what?

luke-jr?

aside from shitting on other people that disagrees with him.

I mean I'm wondering what he's done?

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Quote from: Easy2Mine on November 23, 2012, 11:41:49 PM

BFL single has 8 asic chips per cluster.
Their boards and enclosure are already at final stage.
I don't think BFL has enough room to overclock the chips within a safe working enviroment.
The easiest way is give every customers 2 BFL singles for the price of 1.
2 BFL singles*8 asic chips per board=16 asic chips
Same amount chips as the bigger bASIC unit and we are all happy.

No offense Easy2Mine but as much as i'd love 2 Singles for the price of one this isn't going to happen. You should read up a bit more on BFL's actual process and I think you'd realize that BFL shouldn't have an issue bumping up the speeds of their chips to match this... Currently at 7.5GH per chip at 500Mhz and able to generally reach 1Ghz (if there was proper cooling). *From the information that's been given I think it'll just take a firmware tweak to bump it up no problem.

I'm certainly no fanboy but I'm quite sure it's not an issue. That said if I can find a way to come up with some more $$ I'd like to pick up a few of Toms bASICs asap. Tom is using the 90nm manufacturing process for his ASICs and will generally use more electricity than BFLs 65nm process thus giving off more heat (in general) but, I think he's doing pretty damn well with what he has, and will be keeping ever other ASIC Company on their respective Toes. I hope we all end up getting more GH/$ because of this as well as keeping our Electric bills a little more reasonable in the near future.

Now we just have to keep waiting as there're more delays from both companies because of changes made. I hope they are minor and finish up sooner than later... Huh

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BFL single has 8 asic chips per cluster.
Their boards and enclosure are already at final stage.
I don't think BFL has enough room to overclock the chips within a safe working enviroment.
The easiest way is give every customers 2 BFL singles for the price of 1.
2 BFL singles*8 asic chips per board=16 asic chips
Same amount chips as the bigger bASIC unit and we are all happy.

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The smaller unit is upgraded from 6 asic chips in a cluster to 8 asic chips for a total of 8*4.5 GH/s=36 GH/s
The bigger unit has 2 clusters of 8 asic chips. 2*8*4.5 GH/s=72 GH/s

Each BTCFPGA asic chip can do a maximum of 14 GH/s, but it won't last long at that speed.
6 chips per cluster are more difficult to implement than 8 chips per cluster.
I personnally think that they took the advice of the board designing company to change it to a 8 cluster or 2*8 cluster board.
Cablepair has already say that he is hiring one of the best board designing company to do the job.
In my humble opinion, I think they will have a greater chance to deliver on time if they go for the 8 chips per cluster board instead the 6 chips per cluster board.
But who am I?
Only time will tell.

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Wow, a 33 percent increase over the previously stated speed on this yet-to-be-seen product? That's fast!

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Quote from: kano on November 23, 2012, 10:57:24 PM

Quote from: Starlightbreaker on November 23, 2012, 10:00:59 PM

Quote from: ice_chill on November 23, 2012, 09:46:47 PM

BFL's ASIC can match that if they want. At 40Ghash their ASIC was running at 500Mhz, and they said it can do 1Ghz but not all chips will reach it. So 72GHash is possible.

and that's still a conservative estimate.

Quote

These initial numbers are conservative estimates, but we expect that firmware and software updates will be able to iteratively increase hashing power as well.

so it might be even faster than 72 gh/s

in normal circumstances, i strongly dislike luke-jr, but at times, he can work some magic.

Eh what?

what?

luke-jr?

aside from shitting on other people that disagrees with him.

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