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Quote from: superfastkyle on November 27, 2012, 10:41:36 PM

just because the different asic companies don't like each other doesn't mean they aren't scammers, nor does it mean they are competent enough to design something that never has been done before.

Quote from: Meatball on November 27, 2012, 10:12:29 PM

Seriously, there's no way all these different vendors, some of which dislike each other a great deal, are in on some massive "Let's screw with people's with some vaporware!" plot. We'll get there, it's just gonna take some time.

ASIC done before. SHA done before. Sure, it's difficult and time consuming to produce the product in question, but anyone thinking it's impossible has no idea what the fuck they're talking about. If you think the idea of a bitcoin ASIC is a scam, you're goddamn delusional.

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Quote from: Meatball on November 27, 2012, 10:12:29 PM

And for all the dinks ready to jump in with the "I told you ASIC was a Scam!" This is for you...

"ASICs are a scam" would be a stupid statement given that the technology itself is not new and is already in use.

The bigger question is whether Bitcoin mining ASICs are simply a more expensive shovel which can only be used for one thing - will anyone except the shovel-makers and the shovel-sellers ever make money from them? And that's really something which buyers should have considered before placing orders.

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Quote from: mightycount on November 26, 2012, 01:41:09 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on November 25, 2012, 06:48:50 PM

I would say that you cannot count on a warranty of any longer than 1 year. There's a pretty decent chance we might be in ASIC gen 2 a year from when BFL ships, and there's no real point in continuing the existing line once the next gen is ready.

That was my point, a lifetime warranty is effectively a one-year warranty, most likely. Still, it has to last that one year. If you start seeing mass RMA's in 3 months, you better roll your v.2 real fast after that and take trade-ins

........ you my friend need to read up on European law.
ATLEAST 3 YEARS, and bollox to them "not having spare parts".
Apple recently got kicked in the nuts for their "extended" warranties
because under European law you have at least 3 years, so apple cannot legally charge for "extended warranties" during the warranty period.
And it has been this way for YEARS, just it is a big secret that these companies like to keep from their customers(for obvious reasons).

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just because the different asic companies don't like each other doesn't mean they aren't scammers, nor does it mean they are competent enough to design something that never has been done before.

Quote from: Meatball on November 27, 2012, 10:12:29 PM

Seriously, there's no way all these different vendors, some of which dislike each other a great deal, are in on some massive "Let's screw with people's with some vaporware!" plot. We'll get there, it's just gonna take some time.

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Ah, shit happens. You can't blame Dave or Tom. I can't imagine either of them isn't working their arse off to make things work and they probably haven't gotten much sleep lately. Regardless of who your hoping to get your ASIC through, we're looking at brand new tech and there's bound to be bumps.

And for all the dinks ready to jump in with the "I told you ASIC was a Scam!" This is for you...

Seriously, there's no way all these different vendors, some of which dislike each other a great deal, are in on some massive "Let's screw with people's with some vaporware!" plot. We'll get there, it's just gonna take some time.

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Quote from: Bitinvestor on November 27, 2012, 05:05:33 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on November 27, 2012, 04:34:44 PM

Quote from: repentance on November 27, 2012, 04:31:40 PM

Posters on BFL forums are reporting having received email from bASIC giving a new shipping date of January 2013.

Link?

Maybe this:

https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=115.0

Ok, its official:
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=125.0

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Quote from: MrTeal on November 27, 2012, 04:34:44 PM

Quote from: repentance on November 27, 2012, 04:31:40 PM

Posters on BFL forums are reporting having received email from bASIC giving a new shipping date of January 2013.

Link?

Maybe this:

https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=115.0

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Quote from: repentance on November 27, 2012, 04:31:40 PM

Posters on BFL forums are reporting having received email from bASIC giving a new shipping date of January 2013.

Joke?

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Quote from: repentance on November 27, 2012, 04:31:40 PM

Posters on BFL forums are reporting having received email from bASIC giving a new shipping date of January 2013.

Link?

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Posters on BFL forums are reporting having received email from bASIC giving a new shipping date of January 2013.

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well, problems with a webserver are not ultimately uncommon.... Roll Eyes

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The btcfpga.com website is up and down today. I wonder what's wrong.

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Quote from: hardcore-fs on November 26, 2012, 04:20:24 AM

......
Unless they foresaw a potential issue related to throughput and designed the PCB for 8 in the first place, and then once the Chinese started to bullshit, they thought "fuck it" let's fix both competitors in one go......... and fully populate....

It would have been a truly awesome move business wise if Tom was planning this all along. Now, people will have an easy choice for best bang for your buck ASIC if you have decent KWh rates.

It seems like BFL is too late in the design/production phase to change their design like this. The only thing they will be able to do are firmware upgrades. Firmware upgrades for BFL to match bASIC speeds kind of sucks, because the bASIC will certainly have firmware upgrades of its own. I'd rather have the faster ASIC right out of the box.

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Quote from: AfricanHunter on November 26, 2012, 04:07:18 AM

What is "re-spin" and what are the implications?

A re-spin is a process whereby light sensitive material is reapplied to a previously processed wafer so a new masking can be applied and the wafer re-etched to correct bugs detected in a previous run.

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Quote from: beekeeper on November 23, 2012, 07:28:05 PM

Quote from: Devious on November 23, 2012, 07:18:00 PM

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With two clusters on the larger unit, it will conservatively produce 72GH/s. Yes, this is very good news - a 33% increase in hashing power! Yes, this means the 27G unit now becomes a 36G unit.

From https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/

Those ordering from Tom are happy!-)

But most likely this will add 3 extra weeks to deliver. One week redesigning board layout to accommodate more chips (this includes power circuit redesign), one week (they said 8 days) to produce pcb, one week to assemble everything.

PS: I'm a customer.

......
Unless they foresaw a potential issue related to throughput and designed the PCB for 8 in the first place, and then once the Chinese started to bullshit, they thought "fuck it" let's fix both competitors in one go......... and fully populate.....

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Quote from: beekeeper on November 24, 2012, 08:38:29 PM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on November 24, 2012, 08:18:27 PM

Quote from: beekeeper on November 24, 2012, 07:26:48 PM

Somehow, based on my experience, I think the same, but Inaba seems overconfident in last posts, I guess they might already got their "last version" of their chip, test it already and proved it qualifies.

BFL is also now deleting threads from customers with content which is not unexpected nor even offensive considering they invested in the company as a paying customer. I just left a thread open in my browser this morning and refreshed it....poof, it is gone.

The censoring has apparently begun on their forums (IMO).

I know.. weeks ago I got deleted on butterfly forums when I asked if they re-spin.. I'm an Engineer specialized in this field, I can understand, mostly, the big picture. 65nm and full custom asic is difficult for a small company.. difficulty can be described mathematically.. Ofc BFL can be plaint lucky, but from customer POV it is gambling despite what they say.. I need to cover one - two months of gap, I need to buy something, I will use my skill to discriminate.. Wink

What is "re-spin" and what are the implications?

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Quote from: MrTeal on November 25, 2012, 06:48:50 PM

I would say that you cannot count on a warranty of any longer than 1 year. There's a pretty decent chance we might be in ASIC gen 2 a year from when BFL ships, and there's no real point in continuing the existing line once the next gen is ready.

That was my point, a lifetime warranty is effectively a one-year warranty, most likely. Still, it has to last that one year. If you start seeing mass RMA's in 3 months, you better roll your v.2 real fast after that and take trade-ins

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Quote from: kano on November 25, 2012, 10:20:56 PM

... actually I'd expect Gen2 to be a reasonable leap from Gen1
Gen1 is each companies first attempt at ASIC BTC mining ...
Though some of that leap may happen with the Gen1 hardware after release.

I'd agree with that, though it would depend what you consider reasonable. I'd say something along the lines of twice the performance per dollar compared to whatever Gen1 is selling for at the time would be pretty stellar.

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... actually I'd expect Gen2 to be a reasonable leap from Gen1
Gen1 is each companies first attempt at ASIC BTC mining ...
Though some of that leap may happen with the Gen1 hardware after release.

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Quote from: bitboyben on November 25, 2012, 09:55:17 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on November 25, 2012, 09:33:20 PM

Quote from: bitboyben on November 25, 2012, 08:23:13 PM

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I would say that you cannot count on a warranty of any longer than 1 year. There's a pretty decent chance we might be in ASIC gen 2 a year from when BFL ships, and there's no real point in continuing the existing line once the next gen is ready.

At which point you'll get your warranty filled and you can trade it in for gen 2.

Do you have a link for that? I asked for clarification in the BFL FAQ about the warranty, but given the current wording it sounds like if the Gen1 Single SC isn't produced anymore and it's past one year the warranty won't be honored.

ASIC Gen 2 isn't going to be like the transition from FPGA to ASIC; it's likely not going to be a mandatory upgrade.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/121-asic-products-will-carry-lifetime-warranty.html

You must have seen this...
and yes I agree that gen 2 won't be earth shattering either.

Did you read the quote I posted, from here? It was added by Josh a month after the initial announcement. This is the important part.

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The PCB (The board that the ASIC chips are mounted on) carry a lifetime warranty. Lifetime is defined as the length of time we are manufacturing that product. Once we stop manufacturing that particular product, we will not be able to warranty the product any longer, since we no longer have replacement stock.

The first FPGA Singles hit the wild 9 months ago, and they now haven't been produced in almost a month. The SC Singles could be in production 50% longer and still the lifetime warranty would effectively be 1 year.

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