SMP is raspberry pi. And $370 is for BTCGarden-AM-Silence. Blue Rose is 10 bucks up.
Thanks.
What's the difference between the two?
Topic: btcgarden-AM-v1 down to $0.53/GHs. In stock for international selling! - page 36. (Read 162664 times)
June 16, 2014, 01:35:47 AM
Thanks.
What's the difference between the two?
June 16, 2014, 01:33:10 AM
SMP is raspberry pi. And $370 is for BTCGarden-AM-Silence. Blue Rose is 10 bucks up.
June 16, 2014, 01:07:44 AM
Thank you all for interested in AM-v1 miner.
Our first batch of product has been sold out. Next batch will be available around 5 days, which is 21st June.
BTCGarden decided to give some discount to people whoever places order before 21st June.
Here is the detail:
$370 or 0.6btc for one miner with one SMP.
$690 or 1.15btc for two miner with one SMP.
For anyone who wants to be a distributor all over the world, please leave us private message.
We support oversea selling. We will choose http://www.dafanglogistics.com/ to deliver miners to you. Please check price on it. BTCGarden don't charge you any delivery fee, only the delivery company will do.
Thank you all again!
Our first batch of product has been sold out. Next batch will be available around 5 days, which is 21st June.
BTCGarden decided to give some discount to people whoever places order before 21st June.
Here is the detail:
$370 or 0.6btc for one miner with one SMP.
$690 or 1.15btc for two miner with one SMP.
For anyone who wants to be a distributor all over the world, please leave us private message.
We support oversea selling. We will choose http://www.dafanglogistics.com/ to deliver miners to you. Please check price on it. BTCGarden don't charge you any delivery fee, only the delivery company will do.
Thank you all again!
$370 is for the Blue Rose Miner correct? Also what is SMP?
June 16, 2014, 01:04:22 AM
Thank you all for interested in AM-v1 miner.
Our first batch of product has been sold out. Next batch will be available around 5 days, which is 21st June.
BTCGarden decided to give some discount to people whoever places order before 21st June.
Here is the detail:
$370 or 0.6btc for one miner with one raspberry pi.
$690 or 1.15btc for two miner with one raspberry pi.
For anyone who wants to be a distributor all over the world, please leave us private message.
We support oversea selling. We will choose http://www.dafanglogistics.com/ to deliver miners to you. Please check price on it. BTCGarden don't charge you any delivery fee, only the delivery company will do.
Thank you all again!
Our first batch of product has been sold out. Next batch will be available around 5 days, which is 21st June.
BTCGarden decided to give some discount to people whoever places order before 21st June.
Here is the detail:
$370 or 0.6btc for one miner with one raspberry pi.
$690 or 1.15btc for two miner with one raspberry pi.
For anyone who wants to be a distributor all over the world, please leave us private message.
We support oversea selling. We will choose http://www.dafanglogistics.com/ to deliver miners to you. Please check price on it. BTCGarden don't charge you any delivery fee, only the delivery company will do.
Thank you all again!
June 16, 2014, 12:57:34 AM
Very nice looking miner!
What is shipping to the USA?
What is shipping to the USA?
June 15, 2014, 10:22:59 PM
Updated this thread. btcgarden-AM-v1 available on 16th June!
May 25, 2014, 04:17:38 AM
5. AMs density is not that much. IIRC it is around 8kw/8u. Gen3 might be able to step up the density. (I think allied control said their condensers are only working at ~30%)
AM's density is 4.4kW per U, so 8U would be 35.2kW.
From my signature (PDF):
https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0ByWHHc0u_thNdzB3c2hvVzJkcTQ
DataTank Immersion Slots are simple 19-Inch sheet metal frames holding two 12V power supplies delivering up to 4400W, a power distribution backplane with high current edge connectors and space for up to 8 ASIC boards (blades).
That is not the system AM is using unless this has changed: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByWHHc0u_thNSWhHS18xM2ZXSUU
But yes you are capable of several KW/U using immersion cooling. It is not really even fair to compare it to air cooling regarding efficiency and density.
May 25, 2014, 04:09:07 AM
5. AMs density is not that much. IIRC it is around 8kw/8u. Gen3 might be able to step up the density. (I think allied control said their condensers are only working at ~30%)
AM's density is 4.4kW per U, so 8U would be 35.2kW.
From my signature (PDF):
https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0ByWHHc0u_thNdzB3c2hvVzJkcTQ
DataTank Immersion Slots are simple 19-Inch sheet metal frames holding two 12V power supplies delivering up to 4400W, a power distribution backplane with high current edge connectors and space for up to 8 ASIC boards (blades).
May 25, 2014, 04:00:41 AM
BTCGarden,
Here are some honest suggestions on how to improve the next version of your product:
1.) Try to get the power usage under 1W/GH (the lower the better).
2.) Include it in a case that is rack mountable, and make sure the power supply (supplied or not) fits in the case.
3.) Include a raspberry pi (or equivalent) so a host computer is not needed.
4.) Use PCI-E connectors to power the boards.
5.) Try to pack at least 1TH/sec in the box.
Basically, the current version of your product is not very data center friendly. It also looks like a poor attempt to copy the S1 design.
Here are some honest suggestions on how to improve the next version of your product:
1.) Try to get the power usage under 1W/GH (the lower the better).
2.) Include it in a case that is rack mountable, and make sure the power supply (supplied or not) fits in the case.
3.) Include a raspberry pi (or equivalent) so a host computer is not needed.
4.) Use PCI-E connectors to power the boards.
5.) Try to pack at least 1TH/sec in the box.
Basically, the current version of your product is not very data center friendly. It also looks like a poor attempt to copy the S1 design.
Thank you for your advice.
Now we have new plan to improve our products.
May 25, 2014, 03:19:13 AM
Order and Install the controller board from bitmain? No need repi. I bet it will sell like hot cake If the prices is right around 0.6 btc
May 25, 2014, 02:31:00 AM
3. Sales Policy
a) Retail price is around $500 for each single miner
a) Retail price is around $500 for each single miner
That would be a nice price if it was "shipping today". That's overpriced for "shipping next month".
May 25, 2014, 02:29:50 AM
4. Yes it comes with 11 blades(up to 24) and 120 chips per blade(2.5gh/chip default) so you can get up to 2880 chips at 3.8gh/chip assuming you are able to properly cool it.
5. AMs density is not that much. IIRC it is around 8kw/8u. Gen3 might be able to step up the density. (I think allied control said their condensers are only working at ~30%)
5. AMs density is not that much. IIRC it is around 8kw/8u. Gen3 might be able to step up the density. (I think allied control said their condensers are only working at ~30%)
May 25, 2014, 02:12:15 AM
1. The btcgarden miners might be overclocked, not yet stable, badly designed, cheap components, etc... (v1).
2. I am missing information on the power supply used (efficiency, load, etc).
3. The kill-a-watt thing (TM9 power meter) is a copy of a copy and available on the street in China for less than $5. I can only guess why they would use this, but don't expect this to be very accurate.
Have you seen the bf3500? Apparently can hold up to 2880 bitfury chips (11th/s) in a 6u case.
Yeah its insane, will have a review on it next week. Density is only about 3-4x higher than that and 6 weeks later.4. Isn't the BF3500 is supposed to be 3.5TH at 2800 watts when it is released? Source. And here.
5. BF3500 needs to do 3.5X to 10X better per 6U to keep up with AM's density (38.4TH vs. 3.5TH) or did I get that math wrong (AM's immersion blades are 80 chips @ 10G).
May 25, 2014, 01:52:51 AM
They'd better hurry and blow these out the door because they have a 6 week shelf life before they are totally obsolete.
Are you willing to bet on it?
May 25, 2014, 01:50:39 AM
It's not only about cheap electricity. The filling of the power circuit matters too. If a home miner has 5kW available then it's better for him to fill that with as many TH/s as possible by having the most efficient miners. By having 0.8W/GH the miner can have 6TH, instead of 4.5TH/s. It's an almost 50% more in hash rate for the same power circuit.
True, but it is not necessarily about how much TH you can cram in to your garage or else bitfuries would be the clear choice(as of now). $/GH is just more important than w/gh at least at this moment in time. Sure you could spend twice as much money to get 6TH instead of 4.5TH but you might ROI faster with a cheap 4.5th assuming electricity costs are not a limiting factor.
May 25, 2014, 01:43:52 AM
Where are the miners which will make them obsolete?
these are the miners which make them obsolete
you're welcome
Thats only twice as efficient. I say" only" because it will take much more to make the miners obsolete. Need I remind you that some people are still making a profit off first gen AM cubes.
I doubt that these AM devices will he flying off the shelves when the next gen < 0.5w/gh miners are out but that won't make them obsolete especially for those with cheap electricity.
I'd guess these machines will run for an entire year before needing to be shut down. (Unless electricity costs are abnormally high)
It's not only about cheap electricity. The filling of the power circuit matters too. If a home miner has 5kW available then it's better for him to fill that with as many TH/s as possible by having the most efficient miners. By having 0.8W/GH the miner can have 6TH, instead of 4.5TH/s. It's an almost 50% more in hash rate for the same power circuit.
May 25, 2014, 01:32:10 AM
Where are the miners which will make them obsolete?
these are the miners which make them obsolete
you're welcome
Thats only twice as efficient. I say" only" because it will take much more to make the miners obsolete. Need I remind you that some people are still making a profit off first gen AM cubes.
I doubt that these AM devices will he flying off the shelves when the next gen < 0.5w/gh miners are out but that won't make them obsolete especially for those with cheap electricity.
I'd guess these machines will run for an entire year before needing to be shut down. (Unless electricity costs are abnormally high)
May 25, 2014, 12:49:29 AM
Where are the miners which will make them obsolete?
these are the miners which make them obsolete
you're welcome
May 25, 2014, 12:29:01 AM
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Miners don't seem to be too excited about them.
It seems the only people not excited are the miners who paid $2+/gh.
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They are competitive with other offerings currently on the market, but they are also the last to arrive at the 1W/GH dance, so their window of opportunity to profit looks pretty small (2-3 months)
2-3 months? Are you sure your magic crystal ball is working correctly?
Where are the miners which will make them obsolete?
You don't have to look very hard. The SP10 (and in the near future, SP30) is easily the best option for anyone who is concerned about power efficiency. And I don't even have any Spondoolies miners.
But I, as many others, have reached the max capacity of miners that I can host in my own house. If I'm ever going to upgrade and grow my total THs, waste heat and power efficiency, more so than cost, are the MOST important factors. And the only other option is datacenter hosting. The AM devices announced so far haven't addressed any of these concerns.
Again... too little, too late. Outdated, non-datacenter-friendly enclosures and very inefficient for a 3rd gen design. They'd better hurry and blow these out the door because they have a 6 week shelf life before they are totally obsolete.
May 24, 2014, 08:17:16 PM
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Miners don't seem to be too excited about them.
It seems the only people not excited are the miners who paid $2+/gh.
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They are competitive with other offerings currently on the market, but they are also the last to arrive at the 1W/GH dance, so their window of opportunity to profit looks pretty small (2-3 months)
2-3 months? Are you sure your magic crystal ball is working correctly?
Where are the miners which will make them obsolete?
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