BTCGarden,
Here are some honest suggestions on how to improve the next version of your product:
1.) Try to get the power usage under 1W/GH (the lower the better).
2.) Include it in a case that is rack mountable, and make sure the power supply (supplied or not) fits in the case.
3.) Include a raspberry pi (or equivalent) so a host computer is not needed.
4.) Use PCI-E connectors to power the boards.
5.) Try to pack at least 1TH/sec in the box.
Basically, the current version of your product is not very data center friendly. It also looks like a poor attempt to copy the S1 design.
Topic: btcgarden-AM-v1 down to $0.53/GHs. In stock for international selling! - page 37. (Read 162664 times)
May 24, 2014, 08:03:36 PM
May 24, 2014, 07:27:28 PM
Psst...
You know what I see?
Cheaper miners finally. This is going to be a proper price war this time.
You know what I see?
Cheaper miners finally. This is going to be a proper price war this time.
Agreed, it's hard to complain about having more competitively priced options.
Products based on ASICMiner Gen3 have been a bit disappointing, though. They are competitive with other offerings currently on the market, but they are also the last to arrive at the 1W/GH dance, so their window of opportunity to profit looks pretty small (2-3 months). Much more efficient miners will be on the market in August.
Most of the hype about ASICMiner Gen3 seems to be coming from their shareholders that are simply trying to pump the share price. Miners don't seem to be too excited about them.
I see nothing in this product that would make we want to buy it over a S2 at $1.65 / GH.
May 24, 2014, 07:21:14 PM
Bitmain is not the price leader nor is spondoolies the efficiency leader.
Bitmain s1 at 200gh is $1.3/gh where as hashratio (using AM chips) is as low as $1/gh for twice as efficient miners. Btcgarden is about $1.55/gh with psu.
Also bitfury gen1 is as low as 0.38w/gh chip level which is about equal to spondoolies next gen estimates.
Hmmmmm i always thought simple math was easy
ant s1 .425 - coupon .05 = .375
.375 x $529.48 = $198.56
$198.56 / 200ghs = $ 0.9928/gh
May 24, 2014, 06:30:11 PM
Next gen ST = close to 70x the density though 
(and also 50-70th of the $/GH)
(and also 50-70th of the $/GH)How did you get 70x?
Think of the footprint and hash rate of a fully populated M-H board setup. Compare that with a SP30. Mucho density.
Have you seen the bf3500? Apparently can hold up to 2880 bitfury chips (11th/s) in a 6u case.
where can i get one?
May 24, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Next gen ST = close to 70x the density though (and also 50-70th of the $/GH)
(and also 50-70th of the $/GH)How did you get 70x?
Think of the footprint and hash rate of a fully populated M-H board setup. Compare that with a SP30. Mucho density.
Have you seen the bf3500? Apparently can hold up to 2880 bitfury chips (11th/s) in a 6u case.
Yeah its insane, will have a review on it next week. Density is only about 3-4x higher than that and 6 weeks later.
May 24, 2014, 07:10:37 AM
Next gen ST = close to 70x the density though (and also 50-70th of the $/GH)
(and also 50-70th of the $/GH)How did you get 70x?
Think of the footprint and hash rate of a fully populated M-H board setup. Compare that with a SP30. Mucho density.
Have you seen the bf3500? Apparently can hold up to 2880 bitfury chips (11th/s) in a 6u case.
May 24, 2014, 06:55:49 AM
Next gen ST = close to 70x the density though (and also 50-70th of the $/GH)
(and also 50-70th of the $/GH)How did you get 70x?
Think of the footprint and hash rate of a fully populated M-H board setup. Compare that with a SP30. Mucho density.
May 24, 2014, 05:10:44 AM
Psst...
You know what I see?
Cheaper miners finally. This is going to be a proper price war this time.
You know what I see?
Cheaper miners finally. This is going to be a proper price war this time.
May 24, 2014, 04:58:50 AM
Bitmain is not the price leader nor is spondoolies the efficiency leader.
Bitmain s1 at 200gh is $1.3/gh where as hashratio (using AM chips) is as low as $1/gh for twice as efficient miners. Btcgarden is about $1.55/gh with psu.
Also bitfury gen1 is as low as 0.38w/gh chip level which is about equal to spondoolies next gen estimates.
Bitmain s1 at 200gh is $1.3/gh where as hashratio (using AM chips) is as low as $1/gh for twice as efficient miners. Btcgarden is about $1.55/gh with psu.
Also bitfury gen1 is as low as 0.38w/gh chip level which is about equal to spondoolies next gen estimates.
Why are you comparing regular customer Bitmain prices with whole sale prices from hashratio? You were saying to me that hashratio is selling 1.5$/GH to regular customers and only for 200+ units they offer 1$/GH. Not a fair comparision.
May 24, 2014, 04:24:01 AM
Next gen ST = close to 70x the density though (and also 50-70th of the $/GH)
(and also 50-70th of the $/GH)How did you get 70x?
May 24, 2014, 04:19:09 AM
Much too little, way too late.
Sad.
I think most everyone had high hopes for the Gen 3 AM chips. What happened to the supposed awesome power efficiency? Are these being overclocked too hard and destroying efficiency because they're trying to save money by not using more chips?
Sad.
I think most everyone had high hopes for the Gen 3 AM chips. What happened to the supposed awesome power efficiency? Are these being overclocked too hard and destroying efficiency because they're trying to save money by not using more chips?
You just come out of hibernation? Its been more than a month since we got the news AM chips came in underspec. (still equal spec with the competition)
However the price of AM powered machines beat everything else on the market.
Quote
asicminer shareholders are one ballsy lot, i gotta give it to them... this is zero sum game only beneficial to friedcat who actually did an excellent job tricking all those bagholders into buying his shares and overpriced gear in the past... well done master well done..
You mean friedcat, the guy who gave his shareholders 5 times what they paid in dividends (and another 5 times share value) for a total of 1000% ROI? Seriously what a dick.
I haven't been in hibernation. No one from AM is active in the Hardware subforum and I have no interest in reading the Securities subforum.
I think you're the one who is clueless about the current hardware market. BitMain is the price leader and Spondoolies is the efficiency leader. AM is neither.
Bitmain is not the price leader nor is spondoolies the efficiency leader.
Bitmain s1 at 200gh is $1.3/gh where as hashratio (using AM chips) is as low as $1/gh for twice as efficient miners. Btcgarden is about $1.55/gh with psu.
Also bitfury gen1 is as low as 0.38w/gh chip level which is about equal to spondoolies next gen estimates.
And how long does a buyer have to wait for a delivery of a HashRatio miner?
May 24, 2014, 04:18:24 AM
Much too little, way too late.
Sad.
I think most everyone had high hopes for the Gen 3 AM chips. What happened to the supposed awesome power efficiency? Are these being overclocked too hard and destroying efficiency because they're trying to save money by not using more chips?
Sad.
I think most everyone had high hopes for the Gen 3 AM chips. What happened to the supposed awesome power efficiency? Are these being overclocked too hard and destroying efficiency because they're trying to save money by not using more chips?
You just come out of hibernation? Its been more than a month since we got the news AM chips came in underspec. (still equal spec with the competition)
However the price of AM powered machines beat everything else on the market.
Quote
asicminer shareholders are one ballsy lot, i gotta give it to them... this is zero sum game only beneficial to friedcat who actually did an excellent job tricking all those bagholders into buying his shares and overpriced gear in the past... well done master well done..
You mean friedcat, the guy who gave his shareholders 5 times what they paid in dividends (and another 5 times share value) for a total of 1000% ROI? Seriously what a dick.
I haven't been in hibernation. No one from AM is active in the Hardware subforum and I have no interest in reading the Securities subforum.
I think you're the one who is clueless about the current hardware market. BitMain is the price leader and Spondoolies is the efficiency leader. AM is neither.
Bitmain is not the price leader nor is spondoolies the efficiency leader.
Bitmain s1 at 200gh is $1.3/gh where as hashratio (using AM chips) is as low as $1/gh for twice as efficient miners. Btcgarden is about $1.55/gh with psu.
Also bitfury gen1 is as low as 0.38w/gh chip level which is about equal to spondoolies next gen estimates.
Next gen ST = close to 70x the density though
(and also 50-70th of the $/GH) May 24, 2014, 04:10:44 AM
Much too little, way too late.
Sad.
I think most everyone had high hopes for the Gen 3 AM chips. What happened to the supposed awesome power efficiency? Are these being overclocked too hard and destroying efficiency because they're trying to save money by not using more chips?
Sad.
I think most everyone had high hopes for the Gen 3 AM chips. What happened to the supposed awesome power efficiency? Are these being overclocked too hard and destroying efficiency because they're trying to save money by not using more chips?
You just come out of hibernation? Its been more than a month since we got the news AM chips came in underspec. (still equal spec with the competition)
However the price of AM powered machines beat everything else on the market.
Quote
asicminer shareholders are one ballsy lot, i gotta give it to them... this is zero sum game only beneficial to friedcat who actually did an excellent job tricking all those bagholders into buying his shares and overpriced gear in the past... well done master well done..
You mean friedcat, the guy who gave his shareholders 5 times what they paid in dividends (and another 5 times share value) for a total of 1000% ROI? Seriously what a dick.
I haven't been in hibernation. No one from AM is active in the Hardware subforum and I have no interest in reading the Securities subforum.
I think you're the one who is clueless about the current hardware market. BitMain is the price leader and Spondoolies is the efficiency leader. AM is neither.
Bitmain is not the price leader nor is spondoolies the efficiency leader.
Bitmain s1 at 200gh is $1.3/gh where as hashratio (using AM chips) is as low as $1/gh for twice as efficient miners. Btcgarden is about $1.55/gh with psu.
Also bitfury gen1 is as low as 0.38w/gh chip level which is about equal to spondoolies next gen estimates.
May 24, 2014, 04:04:39 AM
Much too little, way too late.
Sad.
I think most everyone had high hopes for the Gen 3 AM chips. What happened to the supposed awesome power efficiency? Are these being overclocked too hard and destroying efficiency because they're trying to save money by not using more chips?
Sad.
I think most everyone had high hopes for the Gen 3 AM chips. What happened to the supposed awesome power efficiency? Are these being overclocked too hard and destroying efficiency because they're trying to save money by not using more chips?
You just come out of hibernation? Its been more than a month since we got the news AM chips came in underspec. (still equal spec with the competition)
However the price of AM powered machines beat everything else on the market.
Quote
asicminer shareholders are one ballsy lot, i gotta give it to them... this is zero sum game only beneficial to friedcat who actually did an excellent job tricking all those bagholders into buying his shares and overpriced gear in the past... well done master well done..
You mean friedcat, the guy who gave his shareholders 5 times what they paid in dividends (and another 5 times share value) for a total of 1000% ROI? Seriously what a dick.
I haven't been in hibernation. No one from AM is active in the Hardware subforum and I have no interest in reading the Securities subforum.
I think you're the one who is clueless about the current hardware market. BitMain is the price leader and Spondoolies is the efficiency leader. AM is neither.
And both BitMain and Spondoolies are shipping from stock.
May 24, 2014, 04:02:54 AM
why the hostility? unless you must be one of the bagholders 
, but don't make it too obvious... if you're talking about "early" shareholders that got the returns you claim may be so and only because friedcat skinned average joe well those days... Can you claim same numbers for those poor shareholders who got on trainwreck later? those who anxiously wait for 0.000x dividends every wed... if you did well early then good for you... Whether you like it or not AM lost its race and can't sustain the competition anymore because the days of fucking over average joe with overpriced gear and ripping fat margins is over you just don't know it yet or know but in denial or having hard time accepting both... lol..
, but don't make it too obvious... if you're talking about "early" shareholders that got the returns you claim may be so and only because friedcat skinned average joe well those days... Can you claim same numbers for those poor shareholders who got on trainwreck later? those who anxiously wait for 0.000x dividends every wed... if you did well early then good for you... Whether you like it or not AM lost its race and can't sustain the competition anymore because the days of fucking over average joe with overpriced gear and ripping fat margins is over you just don't know it yet or know but in denial or having hard time accepting both... lol.. You mean friedcat, the guy who gave his shareholders 5 times what they paid in dividends (and another 5 times share value) for a total of 1000% ROI? Seriously what a dick.
May 24, 2014, 03:50:41 AM
Interesting looking miner. The main concern is a stable miner that is easy for users to setup etc
May 24, 2014, 03:43:26 AM
AM 40nm offer only ~0,7W/GH at chip level, when clocking slowly.
According to FC the chip is 0.5-0.7w/gh at 7-11gh/s.
Only chip that beats it significantly in efficiency is bitfury at 1gh/chip.
Where is the proof of that? I know only of one single chip measurement from rockxie. Nothing from FC.
Again numbers out of nowhere. Chip consumption means absolutely nothing if miner consumption is higher than 1.1w/GH/s.
Numbers were from testing done by FC and relayed by jutarul.
What makes you think these chips cannot be underclocked/undervolted for increased efficiency?
And since when is 1.1w/gh bad?
I guess its relatively 'bad' for a new chip, because it will have to compete with those same specs for at least another 14 weeks.
May 24, 2014, 03:40:57 AM
AM 40nm offer only ~0,7W/GH at chip level, when clocking slowly.
According to FC the chip is 0.5-0.7w/gh at 7-11gh/s.
Only chip that beats it significantly in efficiency is bitfury at 1gh/chip.
Where is the proof of that? I know only of one single chip measurement from rockxie. Nothing from FC.
Again numbers out of nowhere. Chip consumption means absolutely nothing if miner consumption is higher than 1.1w/GH/s.
Numbers were from testing done by FC and relayed by jutarul.
What makes you think these chips cannot be underclocked/undervolted for increased efficiency?
And since when is 1.1w/gh bad?
May 24, 2014, 03:30:57 AM
AM 40nm offer only ~0,7W/GH at chip level, when clocking slowly.
According to FC the chip is 0.5-0.7w/gh at 7-11gh/s.
Only chip that beats it significantly in efficiency is bitfury at 1gh/chip.
Where is the proof of that? I know only of one single chip measurement from rockxie. Nothing from FC.
Again numbers out of nowhere. Chip consumption means absolutely nothing if miner consumption is higher than 1.1w/GH/s.
May 24, 2014, 03:16:09 AM
AM 40nm offer only ~0,7W/GH at chip level, when clocking slowly.
According to FC the chip is 0.5-0.7w/gh at 7-11gh/s.
Only chip that beats it significantly in efficiency is bitfury at 1gh/chip.
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