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legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:54:52 AM

The hacker just returned 12 1/3 Million additional NXT to BTER.

I am wondering what make him return 20% of what he stole. Did NXT developer threaten to rollback the transaction?

He returned 42 M NXT because BTER made a deal with him and apparently paid him 440 BTC

A good deal for BTER. 42M NXT worth around 1.3M dollars and 440 BTC only worth around 220k dollars.

Still, won't it be cheaper to convince NXT developers to rollback the transaction and threaten to pass the cost back NXT investors?


No...it wouldn't... You can't rollback the blockchain every time someone drops the ball on a big pile of NXT.
We're playing by big boy rules now.

Exactly. If Bitcoin was rolled back every time a site got hacked, it wouldnt be true to its nature. It is supposed to be a pseudo-democratic currency, for the people, by the people. So rollbacks should not even be an option for any crypto. It sucks that Bter got hacked, because I use them regularly, but at least they never fucked us in the ass like Gox did. Fuckers still owe me 0.13BTC ><
legendary
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August 22, 2014, 09:31:25 AM
50 million NXT is a huge amount of money. That's almost $2 million. Just realized that I had about $50 worth of Nxt in there. On the Nxt forums, the community is discussing a rollback. Fortunately, I had about 2/3 of my balance in Poloniex. Hope they don't get hacked too.

There should never be and never should have been any rollbacks on cryptocurrencies unless 100% of NXT users are affected by it (absolutely 100%). If Bter the community do decide to perform a rollback, cryptocurrency will be treated as a joke.

"@#&^ I SOLD AT A LOSS, PLS ROLLBACK"

This^
sr. member
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August 22, 2014, 06:37:35 AM
@all people.we need to fork this theif because we should punish theif no matter it is on the internet or reality.
We're long past that point... the decision has already been made, and BTER already did their own deal, undercutting whatever overall gain a fork/rollback/reorg would have accomplished.

Had BTER not struck out on their own and we were able to act quick enough so the inconvenience would have been minimal? That would have been the best time to reorg... but not now. That's just off the table now.

=squeak=
full member
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August 22, 2014, 05:05:14 AM
@all people.we need to fork this theif because we should punish theif no matter it is on the internet or reality.
sr. member
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August 22, 2014, 05:03:55 AM
https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxt-makekt-is-re-opening-on-bter/

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Hello everybody,

We have bought 43.3 million out of 51.6m NXT back from the thief and 8.3m's still there.
We have decided to take all the loss and re-open the NXT market. We will use the trading fee from all markets to pay the 8.3m NXT loss in 3-12 months.
We will set up a 3% withdraw fee at the beginning and reduce it gradually to 0.5% 0.0% when we paid off all the 8.3m NXT.
We are going to offer 0 trading fee in our NXT markets for 1 month to express our apology and appreciation.

We were working with security specialists in these days and we have greatly enhanced our security system.
Not only the cold wallets but also the hot wallets are very strong now.

I just arrived in Canada where the thief took all the NXT from (proxy IPs). We won't give up, we will keep seeking him.

There're a lot people we want to thank sincerely later. I will give you more details and update this post when I get more time.

Best,
Lin @ BTER


Wow what a crap move. Make your customers of your exchange pay for your losses via a crazy ridiculous withdraw fee of 3%?

Looks like I will never use BTER as this is the same thing vircurex did and they are not in the shitter.

Is the 3% withdraw fee for all coins, or just Nxt? If I had 100 bitcoins on there, and had to pay 3 bitcoins just to withdraw them, i would not be happy about it.
sr. member
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August 22, 2014, 01:10:08 AM
So NXT is experiment and is not supposed to be taken seriously or used in production environment in long run.
Then why do we care so much about that theft ?

Believe it or not, all cryptos are still a big experiment. And it's not like production environment can be forced or influenced to use this or that crypto. Exactly, why do you care so much about that theft? It's over, most of the funds was returned, some damage has been done, but it also brought a lot of advertisement, which is going to smooth out the little damage over the long run. Hacker still keeps 8m, which is 0.8% of the total supply. If he chooses to sell it, he can depress price for a couple of weeks, that's the worst he can do.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
August 22, 2014, 01:09:26 AM
https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxt-makekt-is-re-opening-on-bter/

Quote
Hello everybody,

We have bought 43.3 million out of 51.6m NXT back from the thief and 8.3m's still there.
We have decided to take all the loss and re-open the NXT market. We will use the trading fee from all markets to pay the 8.3m NXT loss in 3-12 months.
We will set up a 3% withdraw fee at the beginning and reduce it gradually to 0.5% 0.0% when we paid off all the 8.3m NXT.
We are going to offer 0 trading fee in our NXT markets for 1 month to express our apology and appreciation.

We were working with security specialists in these days and we have greatly enhanced our security system.
Not only the cold wallets but also the hot wallets are very strong now.

I just arrived in Canada where the thief took all the NXT from (proxy IPs). We won't give up, we will keep seeking him.

There're a lot people we want to thank sincerely later. I will give you more details and update this post when I get more time.

Best,
Lin @ BTER


Wow what a crap move. Make your customers of your exchange pay for your losses via a crazy ridiculous withdraw fee of 3%?

Looks like I will never use BTER as this is the same thing vircurex did and they are not in the shitter.
newbie
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August 22, 2014, 12:54:14 AM
you are creating a precedent here. It is totally a centralized decision which will set a precedent in the future when and if crypto will be accepted as global currency. It will create the option for big entity to bring his mining power in action whenever a rolling back will be in his favour. This is an unwritten rule. Crypto stands for irreversibility not for lets take another look and if it doesn't suits us lets rewrite history by using latent forces of mining whenever a rolling back suits us.

crypto will never be accepted as a global currency with these types of things happening on a regular basis.  I can understand not wanting to roll back the entire blockchain, but the patch that just rolls back the hackers transactions is a very reasonable solution. There has to be some form of "justice" or anarchy will reign and no one outside the crypto community will take any of this as a serious option.

THANK YOU. Freezing a single transaction on the blockchain is perfectly reasonable and sane. What are we, hardcore buddhists that practice radical acceptance of some guy just running away with 5% of the world supply of NXT when we could have just launched a new wallet and denied those to him? If somebody has 5% of the world NXT to play around with, NXT is dead. If the NXT community lets this opportunity go because of some dogmatic ideological belief, NXT will look like a joke and will truely die. The fact we can do this is ADDED VALUE to the blockchain. If you want your transactions to be truely irreversible, then move to a crypto where that is the case (none of them) and stop bowing down the entirely fallacious altar of of the free market.

You need to stay the hell out of crypto and go back to you bank debit card and paypal, you dont belong here.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Don't you see the difference between a centralised single entity(PayPal) and a decentralised group voting on a chain?

For the record I'm not for or against rollbacks.

But the amount of ignorance as to what decentralisation is somewhat amazing.

I can see the force of the rollback argument. Prevent the thief from receiving any benefit before keeping calm and carrying on as though nothing had happened.

The problem with this is that rollbacks would set a worrying precedent. Could any Tom Dick or Harry complain of fraud and demand a rollback? Could a nation State demand a rollback.

Then again, the counterargument is that refusing a rollback might result in NXT suffering irreparable damage. I do not know what the answer is. Could one of the serious minds let us have their considered opinion on the subject (preferably someone who has no vested or economic interest in the outcome). Comments from people like me with vested interests are scarcely objective. Some objective intelligent analysis would be most welcome. Nemo iudex in sua causa.


NXT is supposed to be a social experiment as well as a crypto currency experiment per its founder's original intention.

That's why a choice was presented to the community. The majority of the community were against rollback and voted against rollback with their stakes, which can be interpreted as the majority of NXT community understand the purposes of crypto and why rewriting history is bad, unless it's a technical issue with software of course.

I agree that polling community interests is beneficial.

So NXT is experiment and is not supposed to be taken seriously or used in production environment in long run.
Then why do we care so much about that theft ?
It was thief's experiment too. Why try to catch that guy or threaten him with real life punishment ?

It would be good to know if there are any plans to discontinue NXT experiment or convert NXT currency from experimental status to production status.
May be then thief will discontinue his experiment too ...  Smiley

Or may be it was BTER experiment to destroy experimental competitor DGEX by destroying experimental NXT currency using power of NXT community of experimentators ...  Smiley
sr. member
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Iota and JINN
August 20, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxt-makekt-is-re-opening-on-bter/

Quote
Hello everybody,

We have bought 43.3 million out of 51.6m NXT back from the thief and 8.3m's still there.
We have decided to take all the loss and re-open the NXT market. We will use the trading fee from all markets to pay the 8.3m NXT loss in 3-12 months.
We will set up a 3% withdraw fee at the beginning and reduce it gradually to 0.5% 0.0% when we paid off all the 8.3m NXT.
We are going to offer 0 trading fee in our NXT markets for 1 month to express our apology and appreciation.

We were working with security specialists in these days and we have greatly enhanced our security system.
Not only the cold wallets but also the hot wallets are very strong now.

I just arrived in Canada where the thief took all the NXT from (proxy IPs). We won't give up, we will keep seeking him.

There're a lot people we want to thank sincerely later. I will give you more details and update this post when I get more time.

Best,
Lin @ BTER


SOUNDS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!
sr. member
Activity: 450
Merit: 250
August 20, 2014, 05:53:51 AM
Here is an article on the BTER hack:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0814/cryptocurrpbterjob.htm

Long but interesting. The rumour in the Crypti thread is that the BTER dev flew to Canada to present info about the hacker to the RCMP as the hacker supposedly lives in Canada.
Way to give the alleged hacker a heads-up...

=squeak=
hero member
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August 20, 2014, 05:50:58 AM
https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxt-makekt-is-re-opening-on-bter/

Quote
Hello everybody,

We have bought 43.3 million out of 51.6m NXT back from the thief and 8.3m's still there.
We have decided to take all the loss and re-open the NXT market. We will use the trading fee from all markets to pay the 8.3m NXT loss in 3-12 months.
We will set up a 3% withdraw fee at the beginning and reduce it gradually to 0.5% 0.0% when we paid off all the 8.3m NXT.
We are going to offer 0 trading fee in our NXT markets for 1 month to express our apology and appreciation.

We were working with security specialists in these days and we have greatly enhanced our security system.
Not only the cold wallets but also the hot wallets are very strong now.

I just arrived in Canada where the thief took all the NXT from (proxy IPs). We won't give up, we will keep seeking him.

There're a lot people we want to thank sincerely later. I will give you more details and update this post when I get more time.

Best,
Lin @ BTER



Quite a fair proposal. Bter must be quite rich to absorb the 330 BTC loss too.
Heres to catching the hacker.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1131
August 20, 2014, 03:45:41 AM
https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxt-makekt-is-re-opening-on-bter/

Quote
Hello everybody,

We have bought 43.3 million out of 51.6m NXT back from the thief and 8.3m's still there.
We have decided to take all the loss and re-open the NXT market. We will use the trading fee from all markets to pay the 8.3m NXT loss in 3-12 months.
We will set up a 3% withdraw fee at the beginning and reduce it gradually to 0.5% 0.0% when we paid off all the 8.3m NXT.
We are going to offer 0 trading fee in our NXT markets for 1 month to express our apology and appreciation.

We were working with security specialists in these days and we have greatly enhanced our security system.
Not only the cold wallets but also the hot wallets are very strong now.

I just arrived in Canada where the thief took all the NXT from (proxy IPs). We won't give up, we will keep seeking him.

There're a lot people we want to thank sincerely later. I will give you more details and update this post when I get more time.

Best,
Lin @ BTER
member
Activity: 83
Merit: 10
August 20, 2014, 03:43:13 AM
Here is an article on the BTER hack:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0814/cryptocurrpbterjob.htm

Long but interesting. The rumour in the Crypti thread is that the BTER dev flew to Canada to present info about the hacker to the RCMP as the hacker supposedly lives in Canada.
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1001
August 20, 2014, 02:41:29 AM
Im holding NEM as a backup, but i have faith in NXT.
Its not like MT GOX killed bitcoin, nor did the train robberies of the wild west kill the USD....
newbie
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August 19, 2014, 09:19:40 PM
Damn this is insane? How did he get the pass? Hackers must be really smart. Thats a lot of money he got now. The only NXT i have is 500 that I got in a giveaway, never touched the coin again.

The hacker may have used a very sophisticated hacking program to get the pass.
member
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August 19, 2014, 09:12:09 PM
So how much NXT did BTER get back?

exactly 43,333,142.35 NXT out of the 51.6M that was stolen from them.

There are other transactions going around within the account which is why the BTER NXT account is at 46M.
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1001
August 19, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
So how much NXT did BTER get back?
sr. member
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August 19, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
Damn this is insane? How did he get the pass? Hackers must be really smart. Thats a lot of money he got now. The only NXT i have is 500 that I got in a giveaway, never touched the coin again.
legendary
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Merit: 1033
August 19, 2014, 12:34:44 PM
So in the end the hacker walked away with 440BTC AND 8 million NXT?!

OMG, what a haul!
Respekt (sarcasm)
I have to work ac coupleof years to earn this money  Tongue

..but that isn´t the point, ...it seems that they have most of the NXT on their account,... so I can´t see a reason why they don´t allow a withdraw  Undecided
member
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August 19, 2014, 11:26:05 AM
So in the end the hacker walked away with 440BTC AND 8 million NXT?!

OMG, what a haul!
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