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hero member
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Former curator of The Bitcoin Museum
October 02, 2013, 12:49:34 PM
#50
Do these things and I will come....back.      

See ya!


Later..


TheBitcoinMuseum.com  This is where the long term investor will do well IMO. Bitcoin themselves not so much but the memorabilia will be very valuable in the future. Nostalgia isnt going anywhere.



As valuable as it will be, all donated or subsidized donated items will NEVER EVER EVER be able to be sold.  I'm hoping one day that people will be able to walk through a rather large room, or house to see bitcoin history.  right now, it takes up a 25 litre box Tongue
legendary
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October 02, 2013, 12:27:51 PM
#49

Saying something is horrendous doesnt refute it.

Feel free to define a bitcoin to me i would love to hear it.

A bitcoin is anything that isn't a non-bitcoin.

There.  A perfectly accurate definition.


Bitcoin is everything but bitcoin itself.  It is everything and nothing all at once...I see now it is clear

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legendary
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October 02, 2013, 12:26:26 PM
#48
The silkroad will have to shut down at some point

Check the news!

If you are using bitcoin as savings. I worry about you and hope you have an very quick and easy way out when things go to shit.        

I am, but you don't need to worry about me. I live a very frugal life and do not need very much to make me happy.


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legendary
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October 02, 2013, 12:14:10 PM
#47

Saying something is horrendous doesnt refute it.

Feel free to define a bitcoin to me i would love to hear it.

A bitcoin is anything that isn't a non-bitcoin.

There.  A perfectly accurate definition.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
October 02, 2013, 11:18:07 AM
#46
Do these things and I will come....back.      

See ya!


Later..


TheBitcoinMuseum.com  This is where the long term investor will do well IMO. Bitcoin themselves not so much but the memorabilia will be very valuable in the future. Nostalgia isnt going anywhere.

legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
October 02, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
#45
Boitcoin is an awful store of value.

Wrong again. There has been about a month's time total since the very beginning of Bitcoin that you could have put value in and not received the same value out. That means there has been over fourty-eight months where you could put value in and get the same (typically more) value out.

With all your powers of hindsight, show me a better store of value over the past four years.

Holiday I think you are getting me and my view point about what money is and what currency is.

A good store of value is stable over time like land, oil or gold. You know things that people will always want and need. Your defense could have been used for every fad that has ever come out in the short run like baseball cards, pogs, Pokemon and beanie babies, people are gonna realize that there wont be wide spread adoption and that there are some serious limitations to the technology and when they do we will get a price that is needed to support the actual market not the speculative market.

Bitcoin isnt special, people will realize that they can start annoyances markets that using their own coins or any of the massive number of digital coins out there now. The silkroad will have to shut down at some point, sellers on bitmit will realize that there isnt much that they can do with the coins.

If you are using bitcoin as savings. I worry about you and hope you have an very quick and easy way out when things go to shit.       
hero member
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Former curator of The Bitcoin Museum
October 02, 2013, 03:05:55 AM
#44
Do these things and I will come....back.       

See ya!
full member
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October 01, 2013, 10:37:00 PM
#43
just to add my worthless opinions  Roll Eyes

but i tend to agree with the OP on most aspects or at least the basic concepts.
Sometimes i find people dont want bitcoin to change from what it was originally "launched" as. However isnt the whole idea of Bitcoin "change"?

Maybe many of us here are fine to use bitcoin as is, but everyone is not (and never will be) as "good" with PC's as the members here.

The day when my mother tells me she has a bitcoin wallet will be a great day for bitcoin!

I wont leave bitcoin until the "changes" are made though, i will try in my own way to help make the changes...

Ford
legendary
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October 01, 2013, 05:12:04 PM
#42
I mean bitcoins purpose goes above and beyond just this, the bounds are limitless, I feel like that is the whole point behind it. It is literally in control of the user, anonymously. The power, THE POWER!!  Tongue

I mean the bounds are limited... the lack of Power, the lack of power... that is my whole point.
sr. member
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Let's Start a Cryptolution!!
October 01, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
#41
I mean bitcoins purpose goes above and beyond just this, the bounds are limitless, I feel like that is the whole point behind it. It is literally in control of the user, anonymously. The power, THE POWER!!  Tongue
legendary
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October 01, 2013, 03:25:18 PM
#40
I'm far from an expert on the subject, but from what I've read bitcoin is best described as a store of value. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Just because it's not considered money doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Gold isn't considered money, but it definitely has value.

Gold is considered money by a large portion of the world, just because helicoper Ben doesnt think is money that doesnt mean much.

I never said it doesn't have value just that it will never have mass appeal and can not replace the dollar. That is my motivation and the reason I am moving on.

It is still fair at buying drugs off the internet as long as you do it quick.

Boitcoin is an awful store of value.

Ron Paul to Ben asking to define a dollar--  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXCBetCYVo
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October 01, 2013, 03:08:31 PM
#39
I'm far from an expert on the subject, but from what I've read bitcoin is best described as a store of value. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Just because it's not considered money doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Gold isn't considered money, but it definitely has value.
legendary
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October 01, 2013, 02:50:09 PM
#38

Saying something is horrendous doesnt refute it.

Feel free to define a bitcoin to me i would love to hear it.
legendary
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October 01, 2013, 02:41:43 PM
#37

These articles are pretty bad.  

Edit: I take that back.  These articles are awful and argued horrendously.  False assumptions and invalid conclusions abound.
legendary
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legendary
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October 01, 2013, 02:01:45 PM
#35
You keep going back to the wallet hack and I keep telling you that is not why I am getting out of supporting and using coins. There are many factors that is a small one.

Yes it is....

"Someone hacked my wallet.

September 27, 2013, 10:07:04 PM

Not that any body around here gives a fuck and I am sure that its my fucking fault so you can save you fucking comments.

This was it for me. I am gonna forget about fucking coins."


Seriously sublime, this needs to stop. How self-important can you be to expect something as big bitcoin to undergo radical change just because you're unwilling to make a change as simple as adding two-factor authentication. 12 year old who play WoW have 2FA on their Battle.net account, but you act like it's some moral offense that you should have to do the same.


This is basically what I was thinking, though I didn't respond as bluntly.

This whole thing started off with you (sublime) being robbed of <2 btc. Then, when the attention shifted toward your lack of care regarding the mismanagement of your funds, you got defensive.  So, you began finding anything negative that you could say about BTC regardless of whether it was relevant to the theft.  This is obvious -- how could someone who claims to lack technical knowledge know why some particular aspect of BTC is flawed and then assume that there must be a fix?  Hint: you can, but you're likely going to be wrong right from the get go.  Most of your criticisms are non-issues because there are already solutions to them, while other criticisms are just inaccurate altogether.  Furthermore, some of your demands and criticisms inherently contradict others.

Your ego is bruised, and since there isn't anyone specific to blame other than yourself (identity of the thief is unknown), you attack a protocol that cannot act on its own.  If you're not going to use BTC, at least provide us with the real reason, namely that you don't know how to use it and don't want to learn how.  That's a more respectable position in my book.  I do believe that BTC is too technical or inconvenient right now for many people, but if you operated a PayPal/btc business for over a year, then don't try to convince us that your 'laziness' is justified, expecially when BTC is still in BETA.

No it isnt I decided to abandoned bitcoin before that.

There is going to be a new monetary system, It wont be bitcoin. It will more than likely be SDR's. 
legendary
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October 01, 2013, 01:56:41 PM
#34
You keep going back to the wallet hack and I keep telling you that is not why I am getting out of supporting and using coins. There are many factors that is a small one.

Yes it is....

"Someone hacked my wallet.

September 27, 2013, 10:07:04 PM

Not that any body around here gives a fuck and I am sure that its my fucking fault so you can save you fucking comments.

This was it for me. I am gonna forget about fucking coins."


Seriously sublime, this needs to stop. How self-important can you be to expect something as big bitcoin to undergo radical change just because you're unwilling to make a change as simple as adding two-factor authentication. 12 year old who play WoW have 2FA on their Battle.net account, but you act like it's some moral offense that you should have to do the same.



Fine have it your way, I am sure your know better than me what my motivations are.


legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
October 01, 2013, 01:02:03 PM
#33
Social networks can be a system of reputation management, but they don't belong to the blockchain. The dollar has been very successful without a reputation management system built-in. We shall see BTC for what it is: a currency. There will always be good and bad people, exchanging fiat or BTC, but neither fiat nor BTC has any responsibility in telling who's who.

Yes it does it is called the court system

The dollar and the court system are two different entities. There is no direct relation between them, and you can imagine either one living without the other one.

Now, if you really want a reputation management system inside BTC, you may be thrilled to learn one already exists. Just check this address:
http://blockchain.info/address/1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T

But frankly, the owner of this wallet is stupid. It's so easy to create another wallet, and get a brand new clean ID. BTC always gives you a second chance, if you want to start again.
legendary
Activity: 1834
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October 01, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
#32
You keep going back to the wallet hack and I keep telling you that is not why I am getting out of supporting and using coins. There are many factors that is a small one.

Yes it is....

"Someone hacked my wallet.

September 27, 2013, 10:07:04 PM

Not that any body around here gives a fuck and I am sure that its my fucking fault so you can save you fucking comments.

This was it for me. I am gonna forget about fucking coins."


Seriously sublime, this needs to stop. How self-important can you be to expect something as big bitcoin to undergo radical change just because you're unwilling to make a change as simple as adding two-factor authentication. 12 year old who play WoW have 2FA on their Battle.net account, but you act like it's some moral offense that you should have to do the same.


This is basically what I was thinking, though I didn't respond as bluntly.

This whole thing started off with you (sublime) being robbed of <2 btc. Then, when the attention shifted toward your lack of care regarding the mismanagement of your funds, you got defensive.  So, you began finding anything negative that you could say about BTC regardless of whether it was relevant to the theft.  This is obvious -- how could someone who claims to lack technical knowledge know why some particular aspect of BTC is flawed and then assume that there must be a fix?  Hint: you can, but you're likely going to be wrong right from the get go.  Most of your criticisms are non-issues because there are already solutions to them, while other criticisms are just inaccurate altogether.  Furthermore, some of your demands and criticisms inherently contradict others.

Your ego is bruised, and since there isn't anyone specific to blame other than yourself (identity of the thief is unknown), you attack a protocol that cannot act on its own.  If you're not going to use BTC, at least provide us with the real reason, namely that you don't know how to use it and don't want to learn how.  That's a more respectable position in my book.  I do believe that BTC is too technical or inconvenient right now for many people, but if you operated a PayPal/btc business for over a year, then don't try to convince us that your 'laziness' is justified, expecially when BTC is still in BETA.
full member
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October 01, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
#31
people who want to be transparent and use their real identity with bitcoin already can do so, they dont need the information to be encoded into the bitcoin transaction. and those who do not, dont have to. bitcoin lets you decide. but when you hand a dollar to someone, it doesn't come with a copy of thier identity and their personal info. obviously that would be dangerous
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