Topic: Build this and I will come - page 2. (Read 3160 times)

Yes it is....

"Someone hacked my wallet.

September 27, 2013, 10:07:04 PM

Not that any body around here gives a fuck and I am sure that its my fucking fault so you can save you fucking comments.

This was it for me. I am gonna forget about fucking coins."


Seriously sublime, this needs to stop. How self-important can you be to expect something as big bitcoin to undergo radical change just because you're unwilling to make a change as simple as adding two-factor authentication. 12 year old who play WoW have 2FA on their Battle.net account, but you act like it's some moral offense that you should have to do the same.

You keep going back to the wallet hack and I keep telling you that is not why I am getting out of supporting and using coins. There are many factors that is a small one.

Some of these things already exist in some form, and none of them would've prevented what happened to you.

If you see bitcoins coming from this address: 1DabsXmraEr18jdEryck8jzcFku873xmRf

You can consider it green. It will not be double-spent. It is linked to this forum.


And, I will probably use that address for maybe another 2^256 times, or until ECDSA is broken, or the RNG on my offline computer is broken, whichever comes first.

Of course, I still suggest you wait at least one (1) confirmation.

If you strap an eagle to a dinosaur, it may not benefit either, but think about it in other ways, all of these can exist, it doesn't have to be a direct tether, there may be another path, don't give up.

Maybe spider silk or nano bees.

Obvious reasons why chickens dont make good money, but anything real is better to store wealth than currency.

I dont recommend keeping fiat as savings either, lucky for me i dont have to worry about it. I dont have money or currency. 

Bitcoin could be good currency but will never be good money.

It comes down to this for me.

Money is real wealth

Currency is the illusion of wealth.

Bitcoin is just an idea ones and zeros floating in the clouds. I cant eat it or cloth myself with it. It requires the internet and electricity which a large portion of the world doesnt have. I can go any where in the world with a chicken as money and it will be valuable. I wouldnt recommend saving with bitcoin it isn't real.   

Except for being innately fungible.

Once again I agree that fiat is a store of value over the short term and so is bitcoin but the difference between money and currency is that money is a store of value over the long term and currency is just a means of transacting. Money is a store of value over time because it is a commodity oil would be good money if it was easily transported, so would chickens they have real value and are not just a representation of value.  

 

that is fine but if you cant persuade me (who wants it work) you will never get the general population to use it. They dont know that the worlds financial system is flawed the dont realize the mechanism that creates war and inequality is the control of money. They dont give a shit about that. All they know is that this is easier or this is better. 

Once again we agree, but there is at least the pretense of a system for retribution.

tl:dr

Put up bounty and people will do it, no one cares if you "come"

unfortunately that is true, but as you point out in today's world. Because others believe they can dictate what can and can not be done there are valid reasons for secrecy.

I dont consider smoking week to be nefarious but because others do and have the supposed right to enforce their world view on others it does create the need for secrecy.    
 

That is why I ask that it do both.
    

Yes it does it is called the court system

It is very good at doing that and if that is your only motivation then there is no need to go further, but the only things that happen in secrecy is nefarious.

If bitcoin is only good for buying drugs, gambling, or paying for peep shows that is fine but is of no interest to me.

I am asking that it do both open and honest transactions and private and nefarious ones too.   

Wait that is my view point

There are acceptable cost and unacceptable cost (which is a matter of opinion). It is a trade off. I agree tires shouldnt go flat and batteries should last the life of a car, but the cost of tires at this time that wont go flat is prohibitive. Other people feel the same way that is why they developed run flat tires and long lasting batteries, it is just a trade off more cost for less hassle.

With BTC there are alternatives. There are money transfer system that offer protection and positive identification. In your analogy there are no cars that can never be involved in an accident in the future there will be automated cars that never (or almost never) have accidents. When that time comes most people wont be interested in buying a car that is a death trap if it makes financial sense.


That is okay there is no loss of quality of life if i never use bitcoin, other payment processors exist. That dont ask that I learn It skills or net security. Bitcoin is a tool if there are better tools what do I care.

 
I already use these methods and like them quite nicely. I dont have access to bio metrics or finger print data, but I establish identity the with the best methods available when I first started selling coins i would only sell through Facebook, I could glean lots of information about the character and identity of the people i was dealing with, I already use a system of rating here on this forum. Coinbase has a wallet that requires sms verification that I use that as a primary wallet.


You dont how do they stop that here? This trust system works just fine.



That is a bullshit system, there is no method of rebuttal


You dont.. If someone has access to email and can verify it and access to facebook and can verify it and access to power bills and can verify it is 99.9 % that it is them. The way I Id is email verification, paypal verification, facebook verification, drivers licence verification, IP verification. Look at coinbases verification. They know what truck I owned in 2000 and the closest highway to my house in 97.

Bitcoin and the community might not want to admit it but you are competing with the existing system, people are not gonna become It professionals so they can send money. They dont have to with other methods.
      

What if a man you highly trust become manipulated? In today's society, it's impossible to purely rely on trust, you should only rely on your own risk management, e.g. never risk more than you can afford to lose, then all the problem around trust is solved. Being a bitcoiner, the most important thing is risk management. And by doing this you also preserve the privacy, which lots of people (especially high net worth people) desire

You're all putting too much effort into this. Here's the correct answer: That's ok, we don't want to play with you anyway.

So how do you stop a spam rating that is negative?

Reminds me of the BS credit rating system we have today. They dont care if you pay your rent, cell, and other bills on time.

Only ones they care about is your debt payments based on a loan you took out to buy something.

Technically that system is biased towards people who like to be debt slaves.