Topic: Bumping changes on some boards - page 9. (Read 8877 times)

I would be more happy if bump scores or any kind of proof that you bump a topic would remain private indefinitely since people will just take advantage of it just like whaf they did with the merit system. And you are right allowing a public data on this kind of system would just give members a chance to sell it as some kind of service just like what some other redditors are doing now on selling their upvotes.

No. I mean you can post but it will not bump the thread.

Can we still bump if we have 0 merits?

I think so as it can contribute to the bump score.

I think asche is referring to those posts that are made only to  bump a topic without any other purpose. For example some one just writes "bump" and post it.
Before these changes in bumping of topics, users were allowed to do this once per 24 hours. Are they still allowed to do that?

The Altcoin ANN section is in perfect order right now. An actual bona fide shitcoin is at the top.

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I was trying to test it in this topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-netvrk-worlds-first-virtual-reality-platform-on-blockchain-5160697

But I need to wait 24 hours to be able to delete the post, which means it will contribute to the score for at least that long.

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Yes:

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Posts can still contribute to bumping the topic but only if the poster has earned merits and only once per user per 7 days. Rules haven't changed AFAIK, so if there are multiple posts in a row you can still report them.

Thanks for the explanation. You have a powerful superbump, what a way to test the system  

I had my finger on the 'bump' link on a couple of occasions to test the power of my bump but never pressed it. Am waiting for the right time to see what it does...

From my understanding Modified bump power is calculated and is only used for super bumps. If the points users give to topics by mini bumps was supposed to deducted from the base bump power, It would be mentioned by Theymos as it is clearly mentioned for modified bump power which is affected by super bumps.

So,
1. Mini bump power only depends on base bump power. If you mini bump 100 topics, all of those 100 topics will be affected by a same point as long as number of your merits doesn't change.
2. Super bump power depends on base bump power and number of your previous super bumps. (That's why modified bump power has been introduced)

There are a few aspects I’m not quite sure on:

1)   Is the bumping score transferred to the thread taking into account all decimals, or is it truncated, rounded at some point?
i.e. A profile with 1 earned merit over the last year Mini Bumps a thread (by posting), and thus adds 1% of his base power -> 1 earned merit * 1% = 0,01 bump points transferred.

2)   Mini Bumps do not reduce the Base bump power, and I believe that Super Bumps do not reduce it either directly (since they use a “Modified Bump Power” base_power*0.85super_bumps_last_30_days).
That would mean that Mini Bump power is in no way affected by Superbumps. Is that correct ?.

I figure that monitoring is internal to the forum (which is probably good), although I don’t know how “abuse” may be detected/handled (i.e. people selling their bump power). There are, as of last Friday, around (I have not/cannot cross that with activity in that period of time, nor crossed against banned profiles):

109 profiles that have earned >=  364 merits in the last year.
122 profiles that have earned  between 180 and 363 merits.
184 profiles that have earned  between 90 and 179 merits.
308 profiles that have earned  between 45 and 89 merits.
454 profiles that have earned  between 22 and 44 merits.
1142 profiles that have earned  between 10 and 21 merits.
7913 profiles that have earned  between 1 and 9 merits.

To level with you I was just being sarcastic and self-deprecatory, as it was my own ANN thread that I was referencing, for a coin actually named "Shitcoin." (It died in 2015   ). I fully expect a new economy to form around the bumping of shitcoin threads going into the future.


I was just testing out the power of my powerbump, which is quite powerful apparently. Then two other people have recently posted in it, so its back in the #2 position. Maybe somebody else even powerbumped it, I don't know...

Since you've posted there already, I have theory for you to test. Based on this:
The way I read it, you can delete your post so it still counts for the 7-day limit, but doesn't add to the bump score anymore. Then, you can post there again, and it won't add to the bump score because you've posted within the last 7 days already.
If it works, this is a workaround I can live with

Unless I misinterpret this, and theymos meant the bump score won't be reduced after deleting a post.

I read that. That's why there is an actual question with a question mark under that line. But thank you for your effort.

Exactly. I mentioned above and theymos wrote in OP. Topics will be sorted by topic bump score first. Then if two topics have same bump score, they will be sorted by the second factor, which is latest post time.
It is what topics will be sorted by default options in those three boards, but if one want to use old sorting option, s/he can modify it by using non-default sorting.
I don't think posting will result in reports if users make good posts. There are two ways to bump topics, through posts or through bump button. I just don't know that bump through posts will be counted with "Bump!" posts (that is likely what you asked) or with "Contentful posts (not Bump!)" or both of them will be considered as bump through posts.

Wondering about one thing.

I guess topics are first ranked by "bumping" and then by latest post if I'm not mistaken.

Does this function's implementation mean that using posts to bump topics in said sections is now forbidden and should be reported?

So, there are two components to sort topics (by default option):
- Topic bump score
- Post time.
Between two components, topic bump score is the first priority.

Topic bump score depends on:
- Bumpers' bump power: depends on activity and earned-merits last year.
- Mini bump: through post
- Super bump: through bump button

It almost means that users with more earned merits last year have more bump power, because earning merits is issue, not earning activity.

I imagine that will we see another type of abuse, bump power abuse?
- Thread owners can pay fees to bump their threads, both through mini bump (posts) and super bump (bump button).
- If it actually happens, how will the forum deal with it?
With data on user bumping activities, that admin is likely has; and new rules added to unofficial rules of the forum, that I am not sure.

The minimum period between bumps to get maximum effects on bump score is 36 hours (when previous bump effects on bump score entirely decayed), so one user can sell their bump each 36 hours, or nearly 19 times per month (I use 28 days/ month for this calculation). I think it is still a significant effects, and might lead to another black market.
Do you know where the idea of bump button come from and when did it occur?

I wouldn't sweat it, but the basics (as I understand them,) are your super-bump power is caped by your earned merit or your activity for the last year, whichever is less.  If you've been steadily active for the last year, and you've earned a boatload of merit you're base bumping power is 364.  If you've earned fewer than 364 merit in the last year, your base bumping power is equal the number of merit you've earned.  If you're activity for the last year is 14, and you've earned more than 14 merit, your base bumping power is 14.  Then the power of each user's super-bumps decays with use.  So it's somewhat exclusive to those who are active and contribute, and the decaying affect helps make it resistant to abuse.

But as theymos said:

Well that alleviates some of my concerns about the new system. I guess over a period of time things will become clearer as and when sock-puppet newbies post but they fail to pump the thread then hopefully they will give up and leave the forum.

It's reduced by 15%


i.e. the 0.85 multiplier is raised to the power of super_bumps_last_30_days. So if you've done 3 super-bumps your fourth super-bump will be 0.85*0.85*0.85 strong or about 61%.

I've bumped a few threads in a row and each subsequent one is definitely getting a lower score, so it appears to work as described as far as I can tell without seeing the actual numbers.

He he great news
Thanks @theymos

I saw few of that BUMP tabs before I read this Topic,
but I was not sure what that is.

Let's see how it works in real life forum situations

PS
Would be nice to see dump option also  


EDIT:
I think that Service Announcements (Altcoins) should also be added
and Bounties (Altcoins)

Oh, yes, I looked whole activity and rounded it to 1000.
That is base power minus 15% and then modified power minus 15%. This confused me a little:

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I have to see this in combination with morvillz7z's post (@mod I promise I will delete posts).