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copper member
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June 26, 2022, 04:40:48 PM
Hi @devans, I came across another site that seems suspicious (theluckybust.com)

They claim to be the original crash game, yet the domain is as new as March this year.


I think they should also be included in the List of Fraudulent sites that are unauthorized to use the bustabit name and brand, making false representations about their relationship to bustabit and/or plagiarizing bustabit's website or Sites that are violating the terms of bustabit's open source license and should not be considered trustworthy
full member
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June 02, 2022, 10:29:12 AM
Wow, it's been a while. Used to play this open-sourced game religiously back then when it was new. Good times.
sr. member
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April 22, 2022, 12:54:26 AM
No, it would require manual intervention. An automated solution isn't possible as the majority of funds are stored in a cold wallet. And you would still need to request your withdrawal to a specific address and authenticate it using your login credentials as you would any other withdrawal.
legendary
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April 21, 2022, 04:15:52 AM
That depends on why I'm not able to operate them anymore, but I assume you're thinking about a bus-type situation. I've taken precautions to ensure that even in the worst case at a minimum bustabit can be wound down cleanly. I can't promise that bustabit and bustadice continue operating without me, but everyone including bankroll investors would be able to safely withdraw.

Is there some emergency auto withdrawal mechanism?
copper member
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April 20, 2022, 05:44:59 PM
Devans, what would happen to these websites if you weren't able to operate them anymore?
You asked the same question in February, and he replied to you just a few posts above on this page. I am not sure why you don't even bother reading the replies.

That depends on why I'm not able to operate them anymore, but I assume you're thinking about a bus-type situation. I've taken precautions to ensure that even in the worst case at a minimum bustabit can be wound down cleanly. I can't promise that bustabit and bustadice continue operating without me, but everyone including bankroll investors would be able to safely withdraw.
legendary
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March 17, 2022, 12:01:14 PM
Commission rate:   98.7%

lol
sr. member
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February 26, 2022, 03:28:13 PM
I'm sure that we can all agree that banning a player because they obviously have a gambling problem is as valid a reason as can be. To stay with your comparison to brick and mortar casinos, it's akin to someone screaming in the lobby that they have a gambling problem and then complaining about the casino not allowing them to gamble anymore.
full member
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February 24, 2022, 02:45:56 PM
How can you think its okay to permanently ban a loyal user based on nothing but your own judgement?

Isn't it his site?

Don't you think he should be able to ban whoever the hell he wants for whatever reason he wants?

The internet is big, go find help or lose your money somewhere that wants your action.


Don't be so ignorant.

There are certain legislative laws that oppose the action of banning users without a valid reason that are in place specifically due to casinos banning players who win
That right there are laws against the unlawful ban on casino users with any evidence but that law mostly works on physical fiat casinos sites that regulatory compliance, but in most online cryptocurrency casino opposite is the case.

The is now enforcement of such law in online casinos which is why most of the issues of ban accounts never get resolved by fraudulent casinos who hide under the guise of anonymous to ban users without any explanation or evidence to back their claims for banning such users.
sr. member
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February 24, 2022, 09:19:34 AM
That depends on why I'm not able to operate them anymore, but I assume you're thinking about a bus-type situation. I've taken precautions to ensure that even in the worst case at a minimum bustabit can be wound down cleanly. I can't promise that bustabit and bustadice continue operating without me, but everyone including bankroll investors would be able to safely withdraw.
legendary
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February 24, 2022, 06:36:52 AM
Exactly. I guess the formula to calculate fees is the same. btcxdr_360d_average*current BTC/55000000

For bustadice the factor is 80,000,000 instead of 55,000,000, but apart from that it is the same.

What would happen to these websites if you weren't able to operate them anymore?
sr. member
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February 24, 2022, 02:33:30 AM
Exactly. I guess the formula to calculate fees is the same. btcxdr_360d_average*current BTC/55000000

For bustadice the factor is 80,000,000 instead of 55,000,000, but apart from that it is the same.
legendary
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February 21, 2022, 04:57:57 PM
Where can I see Bustadice's daily wagered history? Something like https://www.bustabit.com/bankroll_stats.csv for Bustadice.

You mean: https://bustadice.com/bankroll_stats.csv ?

@Daniel on a side note, it'd be kinda nice to have a .html version (e.g. a formatted table) of those stats, right now the .csv is hard to read unless you import it into a spreadsheet

Exactly. I guess the formula to calculate fees is the same. btcxdr_360d_average*current BTC/55000000
legendary
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February 21, 2022, 04:40:00 PM
Estimating the bankroll's rate of return is difficult because of how many variables there are, but I'll give it a shot:

In 2021, bustabit saw 27,398,415 XDR in gross gaming revenue and the bankroll's current size is 39,339,068 XDR. Let's assume that the gross gaming revenue will be the same going forwards and let's also assume that the commission rate will stay the same at its current 80.9%. Further assuming there are no investments or divestments, that represents an estimated return of 5,233,097 XDR or 13.3% for bustabit's bankroll in 2022.

In reality, players won't win/lose exactly the same amount they did in the past, the commission rate will continue to change with the size of the bankroll and Bitcoin's price and investors will add to and remove from the bankroll. These things are difficult to model, though, and require more assumptions of their own.

For bustadice it's even more difficult because its revenue is less consistent and the bankroll is still recovering from a loss in early 2021. Using the same methodology as above I arrive at an estimated rate of return of only 0.3% per year. In reality, its average annual revenue is larger than it was in 2021 and the bankroll will probably decrease in size once it reaches its all-time high profit again and it starts paying the commission again.

Where can I see Bustadice's daily wagered history? Something like https://www.bustabit.com/bankroll_stats.csv for Bustadice.

What would happen to these websites if for some reason you couldn't work on them anymore?
sr. member
Activity: 528
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January 08, 2022, 02:43:12 AM
Estimating the bankroll's rate of return is difficult because of how many variables there are, but I'll give it a shot:

In 2021, bustabit saw 27,398,415 XDR in gross gaming revenue and the bankroll's current size is 39,339,068 XDR. Let's assume that the gross gaming revenue will be the same going forwards and let's also assume that the commission rate will stay the same at its current 80.9%. Further assuming there are no investments or divestments, that represents an estimated return of 5,233,097 XDR or 13.3% for bustabit's bankroll in 2022.

In reality, players won't win/lose exactly the same amount they did in the past, the commission rate will continue to change with the size of the bankroll and Bitcoin's price and investors will add to and remove from the bankroll. These things are difficult to model, though, and require more assumptions of their own.

For bustadice it's even more difficult because its revenue is less consistent and the bankroll is still recovering from a loss in early 2021. Using the same methodology as above I arrive at an estimated rate of return of only 0.3% per year. In reality, its average annual revenue is larger than it was in 2021 and the bankroll will probably decrease in size once it reaches its all-time high profit again and it starts paying the commission again.

another question - from the .csv data looks like sometimes commission it taken from negative profit days. is it a mistake?

The commission is taken in real time whenever the bankroll's profit reaches a new ATH, so that can happen when players lose enough to generate a commission for bustabit and then win it back on the same day.
newbie
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January 07, 2022, 03:51:56 PM
Anyone knows what is APY from bankroll investing after the change to the commission  ?

You can piece it together from https://dicesites.com/bustabit

Hard to predict exactly, but I divested most of my funds, as the returns were pretty low (and put some more in bustadice which had higher returns).


Although there can still be some potential. Like on 2022-1-1 I invested 1.03 BTC into the bankroll (all I had in my account at the time) as a whale was playing and was just annihilating the site. Whales often have a tendency to keep gambling until the odds catch up with them,  and now, a week later, that 1.03 BTC is worth 1.16 BTC. But that's no where near typical returns, and was really just because I was lucky and timed the investment after the whale had won so much money under the assumption that he'd probably return his winnings back into the site.

But yeah, bustabit investing is nothing like the early days Sad

I looked at the above website but couldn`t find a way to extract the data collected. (edit: in second thought I can view the source of the site and copy the data._
also tried looking at https://www.bustabit.com/bankroll_stats.csv, that data is missing the bankroll at the time, but I guess it chnages live every roll so it's hard to give one number. it it fair to say it's low single digits return nowadays?

kinda hard to find a way to park your btc today. is bustadice higher return because of the different bankroll and EV compared to bustabit?

another question - from the .csv data looks like sometimes commission it taken from negative profit days. is it a mistake?
newbie
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January 07, 2022, 12:15:34 PM
Anyone knows what is APY from bankroll investing after the change to the commission  ?
sr. member
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December 22, 2021, 12:06:12 PM
(…) I disabled betting for your account because I think that you have a gambling problem (…)

You may not bet or chat on bustabit or bustadice because it is clear to me that you have a gambling problem.
newbie
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December 22, 2021, 11:59:16 AM
See my previous posts, which I believe were quite clear:

Assuming the name of your bustabit.com account is also Perplex005, I disabled betting for your account because I think that you have a gambling problem, which I explained to you several times. Obviously I can't stop you from gambling entirely, but given the things you have told me I don't think you should be gambling on bustabit or anywhere else. I will not change my mind regardless of how many times you complain about it.

I will not go into more detail as I cannot verify that this is indeed your bustabit account and also do not publicly discuss support requests and emails that users sent me in confidence in general.

You may not bet or chat on bustabit or bustadice because it is clear to me that you have a gambling problem. Based on your posts in this forum alone I am confident any reasonable person would agree with that assessment, not to mention your behavior via chat and email. I will not reconsider my decision–which I have explained to you at length multiple times–and I will no longer respond to your emails and support requests demanding to be allowed to bet again.

However, your ability to withdraw your money is not and never has been restricted. So once again: Please withdraw any remaining balance you may have and refrain from using bustabit.

You are not welcome on bustabit and I'd appreciate if you could stop spamming this thread with the same pointless complaint over and over again.


Do you want to explain why I am banned and blocked? You haven't explained it all all you fucking retard
sr. member
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December 22, 2021, 11:18:54 AM
See my previous posts, which I believe were quite clear:

Assuming the name of your bustabit.com account is also Perplex005, I disabled betting for your account because I think that you have a gambling problem, which I explained to you several times. Obviously I can't stop you from gambling entirely, but given the things you have told me I don't think you should be gambling on bustabit or anywhere else. I will not change my mind regardless of how many times you complain about it.

I will not go into more detail as I cannot verify that this is indeed your bustabit account and also do not publicly discuss support requests and emails that users sent me in confidence in general.

You may not bet or chat on bustabit or bustadice because it is clear to me that you have a gambling problem. Based on your posts in this forum alone I am confident any reasonable person would agree with that assessment, not to mention your behavior via chat and email. I will not reconsider my decision–which I have explained to you at length multiple times–and I will no longer respond to your emails and support requests demanding to be allowed to bet again.

However, your ability to withdraw your money is not and never has been restricted. So once again: Please withdraw any remaining balance you may have and refrain from using bustabit.

You are not welcome on bustabit and I'd appreciate if you could stop spamming this thread with the same pointless complaint over and over again.
newbie
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Merit: 0
December 21, 2021, 07:10:34 PM
Devans you dumb fucker



You unbanned me a few months ago and I was enjoying myself on your site again, playing some days when I had nothing better to do - then out of nowhere you just reban me? I literally did nothing wrong and broke no rules and you won't give me answers to why.... Explain this to me and unban me because it's pathetic what you're doing.
Bans usually comes with reason and he wont really be making such decision if you havent done something so the best thing to do is to contact him on his forum account directly rather than on whining on this ANN thread,.

Cursing on here wont really make much difference.Why not create new account?


I'm IP AND software banned and he also blocked my emails and wont respond anywhere.
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