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sr. member
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October 16, 2021, 08:41:06 AM
Assuming the name of your bustabit.com account is also Perplex005, I disabled betting for your account because I think that you have a gambling problem, which I explained to you several times. Obviously I can't stop you from gambling entirely, but given the things you have told me I don't think you should be gambling on bustabit or anywhere else. I will not change my mind regardless of how many times you complain about it.

I will not go into more detail as I cannot verify that this is indeed your bustabit account and also do not publicly discuss support requests and emails that users sent me in confidence in general.
newbie
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October 16, 2021, 08:01:34 AM
Daniel can you just unban my account under the name of "Perplex123"?

I said something stupid after losing some bits but I never said I had a problem. Just unban me brooo I just want entertainment


Dont say "No my decision is final" either, you banned me for virtually no reason. I've proven I dont have a problem yet you still dont acknowledge my messages
So this is something talks about some shitty talks on chatbox or totally attacking personally? It would really be just unjust or not really that sensible if they do just block you or banned out for that simple reason.

For sure there are other possible violations that you had committed because they cant just make out such decision just because of that.

Have you pm'med him on his forum account?

I don't really know how to explain it. I broke no rule worthey of a permanent suspension. The only rule I've ever broken on the site was when I asked for a tip outside of spam channel after I ripped all my bits. After I did that I got a mute and I payed its bail off. I haven't broken another rule other than that. The only explanation is that I was pissed off when I lost everything and while I was waiting for another deposit to go in, said something like "I lost my life savings" or something stupid. He most probably banned me out of the fact that he truthfully thinks I'm an addict who spent my life savings, when in actuality I just want some more entertainment.
hero member
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October 16, 2021, 06:54:42 AM
Daniel can you just unban my account under the name of "Perplex123"?

I said something stupid after losing some bits but I never said I had a problem. Just unban me brooo I just want entertainment


Dont say "No my decision is final" either, you banned me for virtually no reason. I've proven I dont have a problem yet you still dont acknowledge my messages
So this is something talks about some shitty talks on chatbox or totally attacking personally? It would really be just unjust or not really that sensible if they do just block you or banned out for that simple reason.

For sure there are other possible violations that you had committed because they cant just make out such decision just because of that.

Have you pm'med him on his forum account?
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
October 16, 2021, 05:59:28 AM
Daniel can you just unban my account under the name of "Perplex123"?

I said something stupid after losing some bits but I never said I had a problem. Just unban me brooo I just want entertainment


Dont say "No my decision is final" either, you banned me for virtually no reason. I've proven I dont have a problem yet you still dont acknowledge my messages
hero member
Activity: 1134
Merit: 517
September 29, 2021, 08:48:22 AM
You can check the leaderboard i suppose, they have a daily, weekly, monthly and all time leaderboard filter.
Probably what OP is looking for is someone that's winning something in just one game, something like a jackpot some players are just playing a lot of games and causing them to get listed in the leaderboards.

Yeah, I was more so curious if there were any individual big wins or high multipliers recently. Maybe Daniel can create a new tab titled "Big Wins" or "Highest Last Multipliers" or something along those lines.
The jackpot is just forced by the leaderboard and there is no curiosity to win here any deposit casino for the jackpot will have a lot of benefits for their players including a deposit itself, which is nothing more than bonus rounds in currently featured games. As one can achieve it is more likely to successfully join a casino and win.
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gamblingsitefinder.com
September 28, 2021, 11:16:51 AM
You can check the leaderboard i suppose, they have a daily, weekly, monthly and all time leaderboard filter.
Probably what OP is looking for is someone that's winning something in just one game, something like a jackpot some players are just playing a lot of games and causing them to get listed in the leaderboards.

Yeah, I was more so curious if there were any individual big wins or high multipliers recently. Maybe Daniel can create a new tab titled "Big Wins" or "Highest Last Multipliers" or something along those lines.
legendary
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September 28, 2021, 08:43:23 AM
You can check the leaderboard i suppose, they have a daily, weekly, monthly and all time leaderboard filter.
Probably what OP is looking for is someone that's winning something in just one game, something like a jackpot some players are just playing a lot of games and causing them to get listed in the leaderboards.

Ah well, could be! OP is better off stalking the site for a day! Cheesy
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Polygon Bridge
September 28, 2021, 08:39:44 AM
You can check the leaderboard i suppose, they have a daily, weekly, monthly and all time leaderboard filter.
Probably what OP is looking for is someone that's winning something in just one game, something like a jackpot some players are just playing a lot of games and causing them to get listed in the leaderboards.
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1005
September 28, 2021, 08:33:06 AM
Any big winners here lately?

You can check the leaderboard i suppose, they have a daily, weekly, monthly and all time leaderboard filter.
full member
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gamblingsitefinder.com
September 28, 2021, 12:55:13 AM
Any big winners here lately?
newbie
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Merit: 0
September 09, 2021, 12:30:53 PM
Daniel please get back to this message soon, I have an issue regarding Bustabit

As others have already told you in this thread, the best way to get help with your bustabit account or get in touch with me in general is via https://www.bustabit.com/help/contact. As I cannot discuss an account's private information with anyone but its authenticated owner–among other reasons–I do not provide account support in the forums.


Devans please don't make your decision final. It's clear that you're doing it because you assume I have a problem but I have only been playing with disposable money that I've had to my expense for years.
Just please unban me
newbie
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Merit: 0
September 08, 2021, 09:27:38 AM
Daniel please get back to this message soon, I have an issue regarding Bustabit

As others have already told you in this thread, the best way to get help with your bustabit account or get in touch with me in general is via https://www.bustabit.com/help/contact. As I cannot discuss an account's private information with anyone but its authenticated owner–among other reasons–I do not provide account support in the forums.


Daniel I cannot use your sites intergrated support feature. I have attempted to send emails on a few occasions which had no response so i decided to try this website, the next best thing. Is there any way I can open a private direct message with you here or anywhere else?

If the request must be through the websites support system then you will have to check why the emails of account "[email protected]" are not getting through
sr. member
Activity: 528
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September 05, 2021, 02:20:45 AM
Daniel please get back to this message soon, I have an issue regarding Bustabit

As others have already told you in this thread, the best way to get help with your bustabit account or get in touch with me in general is via https://www.bustabit.com/help/contact. As I cannot discuss an account's private information with anyone but its authenticated owner–among other reasons–I do not provide account support in the forums.
member
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September 02, 2021, 12:22:32 AM
Daniel please get back to this message soon, I have an issue regarding Bustabit
So you really need to create a main thread first before posting here?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57820129

and why not explain what is the main idea why you wanted to directly ask Daniel when there are  a proper forum to ask your problem?

legendary
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September 02, 2021, 12:17:12 AM
Daniel please get back to this message soon, I have an issue regarding Bustabit
contact their support(it is also the best way to get in contact with the owner) . is the issue regarding bustabit so bad that you won't contact their support and should only be heard by the owner? if not. it's better to elaborate the issue here.
newbie
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August 31, 2021, 07:00:22 AM
Daniel please get back to this message soon, I have an issue regarding Bustabit
newbie
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July 31, 2021, 08:17:05 PM
Why is it necessary to correct the start time on each heartbeat? How does the start time change?

Well, it's not necessary. But it's better to do, and it's easy. So why not?

Basically it handles this situation:
Client receives a "game started" event. Client records the time it got the game started.  5ms later, the server says "the game has been running for 150ms".

With this information, the client can know that the "game started" event was lagged out (e.g. network problems). It can safely update the "game started" time to be 145ms earlier than it previously had it.


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"So the client basically has two options..." Could you perhaps elaborate more on this? I don't really understand what you ment.

What part of my explanation didn't you get?
So if I understand correctly the only purpose of the game tick is telling the client the game is still running, esentially a heartbeat.
In case the client does not receive a game tick it can show a 'reconnecting' animation or something similair. I completely understand that and it makes much sense to me. However why is the including elapsed time necessary in this event?

Earlier you said this is used for correcting the start time, why not just send a unix timestamp when game emits the start event? This way desync can never happen since the client has the start time of the game and does not calculate this time itself. If the game start event is emitted 5 second later, the client will still receive the correct unix timestamp when the game started since this does not change in the backend.

So instead of sending: game_tick: 1041, why not send game_tick: true (assuming this is only used as a heartbeat you explained earlier).
I don't see the need of the elapsed time here.
newbie
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July 31, 2021, 05:09:27 PM
Hey, good question!

So starting from first principles, the server needs to let the client know these events:

a) The game starting
b) When cash outs happen
c) When the game ends


And let's remember, there is a certain amount of time it takes for the server to communicate with the client (latency).


So the most naive solution is simply to broadcast all the events in real time. That will work fine, but the first issue you'll run into is when there's a network connection the client won't (immediately) realize and it'll look like the multiplier is going super high. When the network connection issues resolve, the user will be disappointed to learn that it didn't really go that high.

So we're going to need to broadcast a "heartbeat" (or game tick). Ideally multiple times per second, so if the client doesn't get the heart-beat it knows immediately something is up.

That's going to work fine now, and we're in business. But each message we send/process incurs overhead, and with a lot of events it's going to cause issues on both the server and client. Bustabit v1 was notorious for this. So there's a whole slew of optimizations we can make.

So let's go through a few that bustabit v2 employs:

A) Sends the client the (auto) cashout of the other players. That way the client can "predict" other players cashing out, and there's no need for the server to say the player cashed out at that point. This way the server only tells clients when a player manually cashed out.

B) Batch cash out events. If people cash out at the same time (or close to it), just send it in a big message.

c) Combine heart-beats with cashout events. If the server sends a cashout event, obviously the network connection is fine. No need for a heartbeat in that time.


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And your question regarding synchronization is a little tricky. So two things to remember: there is always latency between the server and client. It's not possible for the server to tell the client the exact time the game will crash (until it actually crashes) or people would hack the client to easily cheat.

So the client basically has two options. One is to try show the multiplier that is CURRENTLY on the server. The other is to show the multiplier that the player would get if they hit the cashout button. The first solution is better for when you lose (it shows a lot smoother). The second solution is better for when you win (players are a lot less affected by latency. But the multiplier will overshoot the actual crash, i.e. the player will see 1.92x and then see "busted at 1.90x").

So bustabit tries to go more with the first approach. And each heartbeat it tells the client how much time has elapsed, which the client can use to correct its idea of when the game started (i.e. latency is not necessarily constant. It might get better and worse ). You can see how bustabit v1 did this:

https://github.com/kungfuant/webserver/blob/master/client_new/scripts/game-logic/GameEngineStore.js#L192-L195

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Hope that makes sense!




Hey Ryan, thanks a lot for your answer!

"So bustabit tries to go more with the first approach. And each heartbeat it tells the client how much time has elapsed, which the client can use to correct its idea of when the game started "
Why is it necessary to correct the start time on each heartbeat? How does the start time change? Lets say the client somehow decided the start time to be 5000 but the server actually started at 5001 it will correct this start time on the very first tick it receives, where can it go wrong from there? Why would the client suddenly change the start time?

"So the client basically has two options..." Could you perhaps elaborate more on this? I don't really understand what you ment.
newbie
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July 31, 2021, 09:13:58 AM
One reason is indeed ensuring that clients stay in sync. While most devices' clocks don't have much drift, we can't expect every device to be accurate, so it's safer to not entirely rely on the client like that.

But I suppose the bigger reason is simplicity and efficiency. Oftentimes there are lots of cash-outs happening simultaneously and broadcasting each of these events individually isn't fast enough, so bustabit broadcasts cash-out events in batches on every tick instead. We could skip the broadcast if there weren't any cash-outs since the last tick, but it's simpler to just broadcast every tick, regardless of whether it contains cash-outs or not.

Finally, the broadcast tick also serves as a kind of heartbeat, allowing the client to assume that the connection has been lost if they haven't received any events from the server in n seconds.

Thanks for your answer!
How can the client and server get out of sync though? They only need two variables, the start time of the game and the current time. Both of these can not change since its a simply subtraction.
Even if one of the two variables is subject to change (I dont know how) then I don't see how the game tick of 150ms which gives back the elapsed time can help in correcting this.
I understand emitting back the elapsed time can be used to check if the elapsed time on the client is the same, but as far as I know start time and current time are always the same regardless of where it is called from so there shouldn't be a difference.

About your second point, why is exactly broadcasting cash out events individually not fast enough? If you broadcast them only on ticks wouldn't that result in a delay (not a delay for actually cashing out but a slight delay in updating the bets for other users)? if I cash out at timestamp 3000 and the next tick is at 3150 it will show my cashout of timestamp 3000 'happening' at 3150 for other users.

Lastly the third point you gave, this is the only reason why I could see the purpose of emitting the backend ticks to the client. But lets say a game lasts 3000ms, a user laggs for around 8000ms, when the user resumes it will for instance receive game tick 4000, what useful information can it get from this? I understand it can ensure that the game is alive but it can't conclude from that '4000' that its still the current game or the next one. In my eyes emitting the game id would just be enough if its purpose is only for sending heartbeats.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, which I probably am I guess haha. Just correct me if I'm wrong


sr. member
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July 31, 2021, 08:51:57 AM
One reason is indeed ensuring that clients stay in sync. While most devices' clocks don't have much drift, we can't expect every device to be accurate, so it's safer to not entirely rely on the client like that.

But I suppose the bigger reason is simplicity and efficiency. Oftentimes there are lots of cash-outs happening simultaneously and broadcasting each of these events individually isn't fast enough, so bustabit broadcasts cash-out events in batches on every tick instead. We could skip the broadcast if there weren't any cash-outs since the last tick, but it's simpler to just broadcast every tick, regardless of whether it contains cash-outs or not.

Finally, the broadcast tick also serves as a kind of heartbeat, allowing the client to assume that the connection has been lost if they haven't received any events from the server in n seconds.
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