Topic: bustadice – Dilution fee lowered to 1% - page 51. (Read 37133 times)

Amazing. I creat an account at bustadice. I like this animation and how to win(like bustabit). One question only, first time faucetis 10 bits, next time is only 5 bits?

Another big winner tonight! Congrats to btcking on his Ƀ 35 win!

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Bitcoin Gold is scheduled to fork from Bitcoin after block 491406, which will likely be mined today.

bustadice will continue to operate throughout the fork and neither deposits nor withdrawals will be affected. bustadice will not support Bitcoin Gold and there is little reason to believe that Bitcoin Gold will hold much value. However, should the value of BCG consistently exceed 1% of Bitcoin's value, we will attempt to make users' BCG balances available to them once the Bitcoin Gold network launches (scheduled for Nov 1st).

I've written a bet verifier for bustadice, albeit with a lot of my own code stolen from previous verifiers. You can find it here

Edit: Just like my other ones, it supports things like URL parameters to link directly to specific bets on the verifier

Edit edit: I've also introduced my chat bot, AMBOT into chat. Still in early stages so could be bugs. Do things like convert between currencies, check the last Bitcoin block and see when a user was last seen.


If a command fails, most of the time AMBOT will send you a PM with a reason, but you must add it as a friend first before you can receive PMs.

My intuition is that it's possible, just not really practical. I think the way could be to have clients bet with the game server via a trustless payment channel (this whole thing is a big giant ball of complexity, and greatly limited by bitcoins script system, but 50% bets are pretty conceptually easy to support). Then the game server also has 1 payment channels open with each investor. So effectively each investor is running their own seed server, and gets each bet.

The main issue is that there is a crazy amount of edge cases, some of them that really affect the user experience (e.g. if 1 of N investors don't reveal their seed, the bet will have to stall until some timeout period which is probably measured in hours or days).

But frankly, I'm not really sure it's worthwhile focusing too much on investors. I think the bustadice scheme is probably "good enough", and doesn't open a giant pandora's box of complexity.

What I think is an area that could benefit a lot more, is improving player guarantees. Provably fair is obviously good, but I don't think it's nearly good enough. =] If you weren't cheated, it's easy to check. But it still requires checking. And let's say you *were* cheated, you have absolutely no proof (non-repudiation). And furthermore there's no protections against an operator simply stealing your money.

When I get some more free time (i.e. after bustabit v2) I'd like to experiment with the idea of generating all user deposit address in a bidirectional payment channel. And you only release your funds 1 bet at a time (i.e. it would be impossible for the site to exit scam).

Cool! There's some code at https://github.com/bustadice/verifier that you might be able to use, if you like.

Glad to know you've been hitting the same roadblocks as I have. I'd love to figure out how to create a system that's provably fair, for players and investors, real time, and trustless. Not sure if it's possible though...

Yeah, it's an unfortunate limitation that I've documented:



But fortunately the guarantees are better for players, which it is totally provably fair even should the game server and seed server conspire.



We've spent a lot of time on this too. So far we've come up with two other ways. One is completely provably fair for both investors and gamblers, but relies on blockhashes which makes it not real time

And we also have another really cool idea of doing *totally trustless* dice for users (basically through a payment channel), but offers no additional guarantees to investors (But fantastic guarantees to players themselves). Instead of being able to detect when they're cheated (provably fair) it makes it impossible for them to be cheated in the first place.



Awesome, thanks very much!

Absolutely. I've added a link to your profile in the navigation menu, so it'll be there the next time I deploy an update.

Provably Fair...............totally independent of all doubt.

that is exactly what is needed in BTC and Fiat casino industry

RHavar, question on your provably fair system, it's technically possible for the seed server to collaborate with the game server and pretend to be a player and act against the investors, right? I've spent a lot of time thinking up possible provably fair systems and something very similar to what you have here came into my head but I was trying to create a system that was totally independent of all doubt.

EDIT: I'd be down for helping you guys with a provable fairness verifier in my style (Ex 1, Ex 2).

That was a big hole to climb out of!

I wasn't aware that these charts were available until I saw this. It took me quite a while to work out how to find my own one. Could I suggest adding a link to the main menu?

As you've noticed, the faucet amount starts at 10 bits and decreases the more you've claimed from it in recent history.

Its primary purpose is to let you try out the game so you can see if you enjoy it without having to make any commitments. Of course, you are also very welcome to play for free indefinitely if you like.

The faucet is 1 bit, not 10

Congratulations to ripfortheboyz for recovering so nicely after losing nearly Ƀ 13!

You're right, I can see that being annoying. In the future you'll be able to choose the unit you prefer, but for now I've changed the balance display to always use bits, just like the game controls.

I have addressed this in the bustadice chat earlier, but it bugged me yesterday, so I decided to make a post about it here.

Yesterday I had something like 0.08 BTC in my account. It showed up as 0.08 BTC at the top of the page, which is fine, if it wouldn't be the case that the gambling is done in bits. It would be so much better if both amounts are in either BTC or bits, and not balance in BTC and gambling in bits.

Now I have to calculate every time I make a bet how much I'm wagering, which shouldn't be necessary. I would like to see this solved.

We did indeed! Overall, players have been lucky and are still slightly up even now.

Wow, must have had some big players in the past 24 hours, back to ~100% RTP from 112% and a 5BTC profit.