Butterfly Labs announcing new preorder marketplace

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Quote from: Unacceptable on September 07, 2013, 04:17:02 PM

Maybe.............a preorder stock market Huh

Buy/sell/trade your preorders today!!!!!! Cheesy

Wrap em up like the banks did mortgages & sell em all over the world Cheesy

No joke, It sure sounds like an asset-backed security. I wonder is this is actually fully legal in the U.S.?

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Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 14, 2013, 11:14:40 AM

Be wary they could charge shipping fees again to the new customer: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/hardware-discussion/4863-bfl-charge-double-shipping-pre-order-transfer.html

Thanks! Perhaps I'll wait for BFL to "work the bugs out"...in two weeks. If this is true: wow, do they really expect their customers to roll over and pay shipping twice?

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Be wary they could charge shipping fees again to the new customer: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/hardware-discussion/4863-bfl-charge-double-shipping-pre-order-transfer.html

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Another possibility is that you could initiate a chargeback and bfl could ship your order out of sequence. Either way chargebacks = good.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mch22/bfl_refund_success_sort_of_lol/

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Paypal is hitting BFL hard with refund demands , lots off people get it refunded now way after the official 45 days. BFL is listed as untrustworthy at Paypals. I just got refunded for the paypal part.
Now they just need to refund the upgrade in BTC part. But if they don't it's officialy stealing by law because the rufund was done for the paypal part of the order.

Sooo , lets all be helpfull and do our best to help BFL. Force refund tru paypal and clear the backlog this way .

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Ah! Thanks!

Do you have a link that explains the process so that I can contact the buyer?

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Quote from: DyslexicZombei on September 13, 2013, 04:12:31 PM

Anyone know the latest on this? Haven't heard anything about the rollout that was *supposed* to start on Sept. 10. Went to the site briefly & didn't notice anything new.

Would like to transfer my ebay sold BFL Jally pre-orders to wash my hands of it and all.

2 more weeks^TM?

My pre-order was ~~transferred~~ dumped the 11 so check in your dashboard.

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Anyone know the latest on this? Haven't heard anything about the rollout that was *supposed* to start on Sept. 10. Went to the site briefly & didn't notice anything new.

Would like to transfer my ebay sold BFL Jally pre-orders to wash my hands of it and be done with it.

2 more weeks^TM?

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Ethics and Science need to shake hands

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/classifieds-269/

Grin

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We expect the order transfer system to be in place by September 10, 2013. We are posting this information now so that you can get a head start posting and selling your order positions in preparation of the launch of this program.

Another delay™ in BLF land. I can't wait to dump my already sold pre-order and call it quit.

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Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 10:17:39 PM

Quote from: erk on September 08, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

BFL never said the would self mine, where is the proof of that?

Agreed. BFL never said they would self mine. I have no proof that they never said they would self mine. How could I possibly have proof of what they never said?

OUCH ....erk you should get some ointment on that nasty burn ...lolz

Be gentle he is just discovering that he has been working for the devil when he thought it was jesus.

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Quote from: Bicknellski on September 08, 2013, 11:48:25 PM

Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 11:45:31 PM

Quote from: Bicknellski on September 08, 2013, 11:32:41 PM

Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 10:17:39 PM

Quote from: erk on September 08, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

BFL never said the would self mine, where is the proof of that?

Agreed. BFL never said they would self mine. I have no proof that they never said they would self mine. How could I possibly have proof of what they never said?

The burden of proof is on those that make the claim.

Did BFL make the claim they are NOT mining the equipment?
Is there evidence that have mined with it?

It's not possible to provide proof of what an entity never said.

Read the question.

DID they make the claim?

If they did is there evidence to support they lied about it?

Read it. Didn't make it past the assertion that someone should be required to prove a negative. It's not possible, so I did not respond to what followed.

I have no idea if they made the claim that they are NOT mining the equipment. I know that before they "shipped" they made the claim that they WOULD NOT mine the equipment on main net. I know too that BFL reps attempt to deceive whenever they attempt communicate so I'd likely consider anything said by such to be without merit, unless and until proven otherwise.

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Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 11:45:31 PM

Quote from: Bicknellski on September 08, 2013, 11:32:41 PM

Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 10:17:39 PM

Quote from: erk on September 08, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

BFL never said the would self mine, where is the proof of that?

Agreed. BFL never said they would self mine. I have no proof that they never said they would self mine. How could I possibly have proof of what they never said?

The burden of proof is on those that make the claim.

Did BFL make the claim they are NOT mining the equipment?
Is there evidence that have mined with it?

It's not possible to provide proof of what an entity never said.

Read the question.

DID they make the claim? (Your answer is they NEVER made any such claim. My question remains has anyone seen this claim made anywhere by BFL?)

If they did is there evidence to support they lied about it?

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Quote from: Bicknellski on September 08, 2013, 11:32:41 PM

Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 10:17:39 PM

Quote from: erk on September 08, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

BFL never said the would self mine, where is the proof of that?

Agreed. BFL never said they would self mine. I have no proof that they never said they would self mine. How could I possibly have proof of what they never said?

The burden of proof is on those that make the claim.

Did BFL make the claim they are NOT mining the equipment?
Is there evidence that have mined with it?

It's not possible to provide proof of what an entity never said.

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Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 10:17:39 PM

Quote from: erk on September 08, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

BFL never said the would self mine, where is the proof of that?

Agreed. BFL never said they would self mine. I have no proof that they never said they would self mine. How could I possibly have proof of what they never said?

The burden of proof is on those that make the claim.

Did BFL make the claim they are NOT mining the equipment?
Is there evidence that have mined with it?

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Quote from: erk on September 08, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

BFL never said the would self mine, where is the proof of that?

Agreed. BFL never said they would self mine. I have no proof that they never said they would self mine. How could I possibly have proof of what they never said?

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Quote from: erk on September 08, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 06:47:24 PM

Quote from: TooDumbForBitcoin on September 08, 2013, 06:31:36 PM

BTW, I gotta believe for every one miner that the new ASIC vendors ship, they're gonna put 6, 8, or 10 on line for themselves. It's a good use of their NRE paid by pre-orders.

Sounds legit. BFL self mine - check. Avalon self mine - check. Bitfury self mine - check. Only one of these actually conducted themselves with integrity. Bitfury announced months ago they'd be self mining their hardware, the other two specifically said they would not mine main net with customer gear.

BFL never said the would self mine, where is the proof of that? Avalon said from day one they intended to self mine and the reason the entered the hardware market was to respond to BFL to try and balance things out. ASICminer self mine you missed them.

There are far more BTC to be made by selling your mining hardware for BTC than there is mining with it. If BFL can manufacture a Jalapeno in 10min and sell it for a couple of BTC, and make a BTC profit on each, there is no way that device is going to mine a BTC for them in months, let alone in 10min.

Just when i thought we where getting somewhere ...lolz

WHy not mine with a product right until its at or in NEGATIVE ROI and then ship it to the customer that had PAID for it in the first place...double bite at the cherry

Considering the ringleader Sonny @ camp BFL has spent time in prison for a 5 year running LONG CON ...you really need to stop and think who you are dealing with...

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Quote from: Xian01 on September 08, 2013, 11:52:54 AM

Quote from: BBQKorv on September 08, 2013, 06:16:23 AM

So this is where all pro-BFL can circlejerk with their non-delivered techologically outdated preorders?
I feel good about going with BitFury instead, my rigs are hashing away after 40 days of ordering and using only <0.7W/GH while beeing passively cooled.
It seems like a good idea to fold with BFL and ask for a refund from my point of view.

FWIW, I just doubled-down on Bitfury and bought a second 400GH/s rig from BuzzDave for October.

Don't see anything else as being a reasonable purchase before this year is over.

Awesome .. U just have to get it out of your system dude Cheesy

I am going to wait like a vulture...there is a storm of oversupply coming and patience is a virtue Cool

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Quote from: erk on September 08, 2013, 09:18:31 AM

The marketplace has changed. There is no point ordering anything from BFL anymore until they actually have stock on hand.

The ROI on BFL pre-orders has been terrible, most people will not make the money back they have paid out for the pre-order because of the slow production line. The practical solution is not to order. I am not suggesting don't buy BFL, just don't pre-order, wait until they have stock so you can punch into a Bitcoin calculator and work out if it's worth buying. The gen1 product is obviously not worth buying unless they at least halve the price. The Monarch quite likely will not be worth buying if it ships in February. Best hold on to your money until February and then make the calculation. You could easily find BFL will have to halve the price of the Monarch in February to be competitive, so it would be crazy to pay for it now.

I know other ASIC vendors will be reducing their prices before the end of the year. KNCminer have already announced price reductions on Nov delivery.

The ASIC industry is coming up for a massive shake out, the winner will be the companies that have stock on hand.

Selling places on a pre-order queue is absurd.

erk ... you have seen the light ... Cheesy

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Quote from: creativex on September 08, 2013, 06:47:24 PM

Quote from: TooDumbForBitcoin on September 08, 2013, 06:31:36 PM

BTW, I gotta believe for every one miner that the new ASIC vendors ship, they're gonna put 6, 8, or 10 on line for themselves. It's a good use of their NRE paid by pre-orders.

Sounds legit. BFL self mine - check. Avalon self mine - check. Bitfury self mine - check. Only one of these actually conducted themselves with integrity. Bitfury announced months ago they'd be self mining their hardware, the other two specifically said they would not mine main net with customer gear.

BFL never said the would self mine, where is the proof of that? Avalon said from day one they intended to self mine and the reason the entered the hardware market was to respond to BFL to try and balance things out. ASICminer self mine you missed them.

There are far more BTC to be made by selling your mining hardware for BTC than there is mining with it. If BFL can manufacture a Jalapeno in 10min and sell it for a couple of BTC, and make a BTC profit on each, there is no way that device is going to mine a BTC for them in months, let alone in 10min.

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