Topic: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM - page 67. (Read 415663 times)

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They simply run out of money. This is the simple answer to all your questions.

If they ship everything they have in stock difficulty will increase yet even more. This is why they hash with everything they have available to earn money effectively using they customers' money to make money. Needless to say, this is a direct theft from their customers' ROI. Conclusion is easy. The average BFL customer will never achieve positive ROI on their bitcoin investment. They would have been far more successful if they just purchased bitcoins and hold them in their bitcoin wallet.

Forget about BFL. The scam was planned from the very start of this startup.

"Old Singles ordered now will deliver sometime in September. New ones start delivering in October, but i don't know when one ordered now would deliver. I would order the new one if I were you. --Jody"

Just curious if you consider Jody up to par with your ability to keep spinning, or if she now is a liability that needs to be cut loose?

Hi Josh/Inaba.  I just want to affirm to you that everyone knows what's going on.  It would be great to think of the world as a nicer place, but you are clearly not the savant that you were before you first spoke those words "2 more weeks".

It was over, at that point, for everyone.  You broke word; now what can we count on?  Oh, right, the imagination.

You say you aren't a liar.  Let history speak for itself.  As you would say "I don't have time to show you.  Check the boards, stupid!"

Because you are imitating the role of a known con-man who is associated with BFL, it will be a lot easier to link malice to your actions, so you will not get the lenience that Sonny did.  Sonny will probably suffer some sort of release-contract violation, but that's not as important to people as seeing the face behind the false words burn.  The name you wear (Josh Zerlan) is an anti-semitic joke.

quote:

" Why is BFL Not Flush with Components to Build S/MR Consistently?
So, what is going on? Is it too much to ask for more transparency?

I don't understand why nothing shipped today? Was this also the case on Monday? Tuesday?
Why does there only seem to be enough components for the Jally all the time?
Is BFL running out of money?
Can components for old orders only be stocked with money from new orders? Why aren't you ordering the components you need for S/MR? Why are there such dead gaps?
How can BFL possibly get through the backlog before the end of September at this rate?
How many more zero shipping days will there be to look forward to?
How many orders are left for June 23rd?
How many are there for June 24th?
25th? etc?


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Somebody said we've been stuck on June 23rd for a month. I've lost track. Obviously I wish we could get more transparency. I've never understood why BFL has kept the hashrate they've sold a secret? Why can't we know the amount of orders for each product?

Just so many questions."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3890-why-bfl-not-flush-components-build-s-mr-consistently.html#post48102

yea

I was half expecting
I was half
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For Causing Them a Headache.  gr8 b8 m8

The price of a Jalapeno is at least more than ten times higher than $274 (not $279). If you actually want to have it within a few days. The start price for one on eBay is $2,969 and will likely be higher once the auction ends:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Butterfly-Labs-ASIC-Jalapeno-bitforce-5-8-GH-s-IN-HAND-NOT-PRE-ORDER-/130949363921?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7d30b8d1

$274 gets you a Jalapeno PRE-ORDER. Big difference.

If you pre-order and get the Jalapeno at the end of the year (or heaven forbid next year) due to the expected highly increased difficulty it will likely produce less coins than a USB Block Eruptor does NOW.

any one of you got the rig?

That's silly. Why would you think you'd be rewarded (given a higher spot in the order queue) for causing them a headache? Especially these boards being the way they are (18,000 sign ups on digital ocean for primecoin miners after a single post with a referral link), if you succeeded and posted about your e pertinence, the next thing you know everyone would open disputes hoping to get bumped up as well. In which case everyone would be right back where they started.

If I was them, especially given their "fire your customers manta", I'd say "sorry, when you filed your dispute, that cancelled your order. If you cancel the dispute, well treat it as a new order"

What the real shame is is that BFLis the only ASIC provider that has an offering suitable for more casual miners. usb Block eruptors? Don't expect to ever recoup your costs of $100 for 300MH. All the others? Thousands of dollars. There's zero competition in the low-end space (5 Gh for $279..,, who's much is a 12 Gh Avalon blade?).

Of course it doesn't really matter anymore. All the ASIC providers are doing is insuring that nobody is profitable but them.  This arms race of gigahashes hasn't really accomplished anything else. Certainly not any more network security, as the network is just as vulnerable to a dedicated attacker (say, a government) willing to spend a couple million dollars as it was before Asics. But that's a whole other story. End of the day is that BFL has zero competition despite worthy adversaries, because all the others have decided on much higher price points for their goods. Now, if friedcat released something that was comparable in price and performance to a jalapeño and customers had other routes, I'd doubt you'd see any mention of "firing our customers"

I understand choose chose is not going to pop up with spell check, but really, does no one in this country know how to spell? Yeah, public schools FTW... come on BFL. Require GED's in the hiring process! Oh wait, I don't think that applies to any of them.

IMHO You are the lucky one to get your refund the others will cry when they get their units after they're worthless.

Take the money and forget BFL ever existed and learn something from this.

BFL can't get out of what they have created and they're playing a tricky game of optics and deadmans bluff.

Either way its up to you and this is my opinion keep the dispute and get your money before things go tits up.

I put in a paypal dispute because they're not shipping singles and I'm pissed

Of course they haven't replied to the dispute or refunded me yet and have a week to do so

I emailed BFL asking them if I cancelled the dispute would I be able to keep my position in queue

This was their response:

https://i.imgur.com/NoDo3gm.png


I was half expecting them to beg me to cancel the dispute and offer to bump me up in the queue or something, instead I get them stating that they "can not comment" on it.


I'm guessing if I cancel the dispute, I won't be seeing a refund and my order and position in queue will "accidentally" get lost


Anyone think i'll retain my position in queue if I cancel the dispute?

Interesting how the order page says refunded: 1 when I haven't gotten anything back in paypal yet:

https://i.imgur.com/Sp5g9dY.png

https://i.imgur.com/Zgd8v0j.png

Even BFL sock puppets are starting to put it rather bluntly. Nice to read it. In a ward, never purchase a product from BFL. If you want to make a BTC investment just buy BTC with your USD and hold them.

Will be interesting if someone beats them to the punch. It will happen.

For those who've been refused a refund by BFL, there's your out: BFL WILL fire you a customer. If they do not fire you as a customer, then they have lied. If they lie about this, what else are they lying about?

Simply put, now request BFL to fire your ass, whereupon your refund will be processed immediately.

Seriously?  Any first year contracts textbook, or any copy of the UCC.  

Contract requires offer and acceptance.  The offer is when the customer proffers payment (not as some think when the seller advertises).  By accepting payment in return for shipment, then keeping the money (and sending a receipt saying what the seller has sold), the seller accepts that offer.  That is a contract.  All a contract is at its core is an agreement to do one thing in return for another.  The difficulty is not establishing breach of contract, but actual damages.  Just a broken contract by itself doesn't entitle you to damages.  You would have to show you are somehow in a worse position than you would be in had the contract been carried out, i.e., you would have otherwise had an Avalon by now and have made whatever amount of money, and this is somehow BFL's fault.

BFL did not just make the initial contract either.  They continued to make false assurances as to delivery time and even made people agree to further conditions (in return for nothing) just to stay in the queue.  Even if they hadn't originally established a binding contract, and could have probably backed out early on with little to no consequences, just sitting on people's money for in many cases over a year while jerking them around is just not legal.

Even if, somehow, taking money in return for an agreement to deliver a product didn't establish a contract (and if you think that what planet are you on exactly?), consumer fraud and mail order laws have a lot more stringent rules than plain old contract or UCC.  Things like triple damages provisions in some states, like New Jersey.

I can see why people wouldn't want to pursue these avenues, because they just aren't going to be profitable, and if you've been waiting around for over a year for your product and actually still want it, why would you drive the company out of business just when it's actually starting to deliver?  But it's not legal, it's not kosher, and it's a major league dick move in every sense of the word.

I would imagine there aren't a lot of precedents for that since I believe it is basic contract law.

Once you make a deal with someone you can't just turn around at some future point and say "ahhh I changed my mind, here's your money back so I no longer owe you any obligations" (unless that option was specifically part of the deal).

There are also things you can't contract out of either, which is why the whole "well we said it was final sale only" bit is a hilarious joke if there is legislation that says something to the effect of "if someone pre-orders a product and you don't deliver within x days, you are obligated to provide them with a refund if so requested".

My witty retort to the other guy got deleted so I'll just quote my self "accomplishes nothing other than making you look like a 15 year old tool."