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Topic: Buy Bitcoin and hold it: 180% annual yield on average since the first halving - page 3. (Read 463 times)

legendary
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This is the main reason why I personally don't see the need of using bitcoin lending platforms. Sure, an extra 5-8% yield off your bitcoin(on top of the bitcoin value increase) can be quite sweet, but in exchange for handing over custody? Hell nah, I'm happy with my annual 2x-3x multipliers.

Yeah, I put a bit of Bitcoin onto BlockFi a few months ago to get that 6% gain, but they've adjusted it down almost every single month since then, but now I get under 2%. It's less than a tenth of my bitcoin in the first place, as wasn't willing to risk more than that on a centralized place, but since they've cut my earnings rate by two-thirds in the past few months I will probably just move that back to my own address by end of this year. 2% is not worth giving over custody. 6% maybe, but 2% is bullshit.

I think the reason why it went down was due to the GBTC premium. Most of the BTC they were borrowing was for GBTC so market makers could milk the premium. However when the premium disappeared and turned negative they got in trouble. Hence why they couldn't afford to pay the 6% or so. And 6% in my opinion was a rip off since they were making more than double it for your BTCs.

Whats popular is to lend USD and USDT however. Those historically (except bear markets) usually will yield you around 10% a year. So if you sold some crypto that you don't need. You can just lend it out for 10% instead of leaving it in your bank account to get 0.5% APY. However keep in mind there is still counterparty risks, You can't lend it while its in cold storage.
legendary
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I will probably just move that back to my own address by end of this year.
Given that BlockFi are currently caught up in a bunch of legal battles and are facing having some of their activities and products limited or even shutdown altogether, I think that would be a wise move. I doubt they would actively try to keep your coins from you, but since they are a fractional reserve system and loan out all the coins which are deposited to their platform (how else would they generate their profits), then if lots of people try to withdraw their coins in the face of regulations or legal troubles you could end up with effectively a bank run.

Bitcoin @ 4.4 million would have a marketcap around ~77 trillion. The global GDP estimated today is 93.8 trillion US dollars. Do you seriously believe that a currency barely used for any consumer transactions and being used as an asset by a small number of tech companies has a chance to absorb most of world's GDP in 8 years?
It won't reach the world's GBP in 8 years obviously, but it could very well be worth $4.4 million when the Fed casually prints a few more trillion and USD devalues by another >90%.
legendary
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Bitcoin @ 4.4 million would have a marketcap around ~77 trillion. The global GDP estimated today is 93.8 trillion US dollars. Do you seriously believe that a currency barely used for any consumer transactions and being used as an asset by a small number of tech companies has a chance to absorb most of world's GDP in 8 years?

IMO it's time to say goodbye to expected 180% returns and settle for more realistic 50% returns or 25% returns, which is still very good.

Yeah, better to expect a realistic gain of 50% because that's a good numbers already.

Also we have to consider that the exponential growth will slow down and obviously there is a massive growth spurt in the beginning of bitcoin market.

But this growth is a good numbers to hedge against those anti-bitcoin, would love on how they contradict this because we all know that numbers don't lie.
legendary
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Bitcoin @ 4.4 million would have a marketcap around ~77 trillion. The global GDP estimated today is 93.8 trillion US dollars. Do you seriously believe that a currency barely used for any consumer transactions and being used as an asset by a small number of tech companies has a chance to absorb most of world's GDP in 8 years?

IMO it's time to say goodbye to expected 180% returns and settle for more realistic 50% returns or 25% returns, which is still very good.
hero member
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This is the main reason why I personally don't see the need of using bitcoin lending platforms. Sure, an extra 5-8% yield off your bitcoin(on top of the bitcoin value increase) can be quite sweet, but in exchange for handing over custody? Hell nah, I'm happy with my annual 2x-3x multipliers.

Yeah, I put a bit of Bitcoin onto BlockFi a few months ago to get that 6% gain, but they've adjusted it down almost every single month since then, but now I get under 2%. It's less than a tenth of my bitcoin in the first place, as wasn't willing to risk more than that on a centralized place, but since they've cut my earnings rate by two-thirds in the past few months I will probably just move that back to my own address by end of this year. 2% is not worth giving over custody. 6% maybe, but 2% is bullshit.
sr. member
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BitByte Crypto: https://link3.to/bitbytecrypto
If bitcoin again takes bullish rally and makes upto $100k , than bitcoin could hit 1 million usd within three years or less than that.  Grin But it's great to have 2x-3x return annually rather than taking risks into other platforms or alts. Also, DCA will be the best strategy to grow our portfolio.  Cheesy
legendary
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Good job BlackHat.

But you forgot to add the conclusion "Show me another retail investment vehicle that has had better performance gains over the last 8 years."  Wink
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
This is the main reason why I personally don't see the need of using bitcoin lending platforms.

Since the ancient times, lending wasn't a bad idea. You indeed handed over your custody, but you were also informed about the bank you're depositing. It wasn't wise to keep your money into your closet; you should invest or yield them somewhere. But, I'm not sure about the lending terms of those websites. Do they ask for KYC? Do we know who are they? Lending Bitcoin pseudonymously is like giving a stranger some cash by the promise you'll get more in return. What makes me feel that he'll not rip me off using a bullshit excuse (e.g bankruptcy)?

Worth writing that by keeping your money, you're actually investing in its inflation. You should never keep fiat money for long-term commitments, but rather lend them if you're not interested in investing them in stocks or estate.

Generally, for your long-term wealth you should always invest into things that never lost their intrinsic value.
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legendary
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Paldo.io 🤖
This is the main reason why I personally don't see the need of using bitcoin lending platforms. Sure, an extra 5-8% yield off your bitcoin(on top of the bitcoin value increase) can be quite sweet, but in exchange for handing over custody? Hell nah, I'm happy with my annual 2x-3x multipliers.
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
I made this thread just to remind you that, in the last eight years, Bitcoin gave you the chance to increase your annual yield by 180%. Specifically, here's some satisfying results of the end of July overtime:

From 2013 to 2014: $94 -> $600 (538%)
From 2014 to 2015: $600 -> $292 (51%)
From 2015 to 2016: $292 -> $624 (113%)
From 2016 to 2017: $624 -> $2,700 (332%)
From 2017 to 2018: $2,700 -> $8,100 (200%)
From 2018 to 2019: $8,100 -> $10,100 (24%)
From 2019 to 2020: $10,100 -> $10,900 (7.9%)
From 2020 to 2021: $10,900 -> $40,000 (266%)

If you sum them all, you'll see that it's a 180% annual yield. If that number applies in the next eight years, we have on average:

From 2021 to 2022: $40,000 -> $72,000
From 2022 to 2023: $72,000 -> $129,600
From 2023 to 2024: $129,600 -> $233,280
From 2024 to 2025: $233,280 -> $419,904
From 2025 to 2026: $419,904 -> $755,827.2
From 2026 to 2027: $755,827.2 -> $1,360,488.96
From 2027 to 2028: $1,360,488.96 -> $2,448,880.13
From 2028 to 2029: $2,448,880.13 -> $4,407,984.23

Have a nice day.
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