Topic: Buy the DIP, and HODL! - page 371. (Read 123483 times)

I doubt that we should be thinking about bitcoin in those kinds of ways of getting rich quick, even though bitcoin may well be amongst the best of investments... but if we are seeking to get rich quick and identify that kind of investment, then we may well end up getting lured into shitcoins.. and maybe that is not what you were trying to say... but it surely can be quite challenging for anyone to figure out how to identify good things to invest into, and bitcoin is available to an overwhelming number of normies.. but on the surface, bitcoin might not seem sexy enough.. as compared to some shitcoin.. so it seems that your way of framing the whole matter is a bit luring towards chasing around get rich quick schemes rather than seeing the value of bitcoin right in front of us that may or may not result in great appreciation of value in a short time.. even though we likely can see a lot of aspects of bitcoin that could cause it to 10x to 20x from here and not really end up correcting back down in any kind of meaningful way.. but we still cannot count on those kinds of things.

If we have $100k in our investment portfolio, and we currently have 10% in bitcoin (so $10k in bitcoin), then maybe we might choose to become more aggressive in regards to our bitcoin allocation... perhaps? perhaps?

If we are brand new to investing, and maybe we have $10k in bitcoin and $5k in various forms of cash.. and are there ways to be more aggressive?  We still might not be rich, even if our bitcoin investment goes up 20x from $10k to $200k.. so I am not suggesting that I know the answer since each of us needs to make these kinds of balances from our own perspective (accounting for our finances and our psychology.. and of course other related personal considerations, including the 9 that I listed in my other post).


Yeah, but why do you need to go there?

I already described pretty good situations with Hypo 1 and 2, with hypo 1 having an average cost per BTC of $750 and hypo 2 having an average cost per BTC around $1,130, so there is no need to even make the problem easier by suggesting that they bought at the bottom of various earlier time periods.  Even if we go back 10 years from now, we still have BTC prices in the area of $1k per BTC, even though there was a dip in BTC prices for the next few years...

So why?

Why have to fantasize about getting even lower prices?

Yeah of course, there are people who are way better off than those in hypothetical 1 and 2, but if we are trying to address questions regarding when the dilemmas exist in regards to whether it is worth it to continue to accumulate BTC and what circumstances might trigger desires to accumulate more BTC, even if you already have a lot of BTC, the 6 hypotheticals already show differences in the levels of dilemmas that any of them might have, and if we get into situations that are even better than hypothetical 1 and 2, are we being realistic in terms of considering whether or not they might have dilemmas? 

Sure the ones who are even better off than hypothetical 1 and 2 still might have dilemmas, but they are not the kinds of realistic dilemmas of broader levels of appeal or anything that newbies to bitcoin or those who might have ONLY been in bitcoin for a few years should be feeling any needs  to fantasize about situations that currently are not even close to being in front of them.  They likely have to pass through variations of hypothetical 1 through 6 (in reverse order) before they are even close to being in those kinds of higher fantasy levels..

It is pretty doubtful that investing into bitcoin as aggressively as possible, even with investing a million dollars right now is going to get you close to the same levels of bitcoin that the ones who are better off than hypothetical 1 and 2 are facing.. so right now a million dollars is going to get you right around 23.5 BTC... so it could be a bit of a challenge to catch up to any of those in hypothetical 1 and 2 and even though there are abilities to get close to those in hypotheticals 3 through 5,.. but with way more upfront capital invested..

But even someone investing $100k right now into bitcoin will have had to struggle a lot more than the person in hypothetical 6, since the one in hypothetical 6 ONLY had to put $26k into his bitcoin investment over the past 5 years, and maybe the person in hypothetical 6 might not have had been in a position to invest more aggressively than the $100 per week that he was able to invest over the past 5 years.... so such a person would never be able to come up with $100k to invest into bitcoin even though his current BTC stash is getting to those levels of valuation...and he continues to buy $100 per week and to consider ways to increase his investment amount by increasing his income and/or reducing his expenses.


I would not consider coming up with $85k right now in order to buy 2 BTC to be small capital.. and sometimes a person who invests over so much time, is way more empowered by having had spent that time.. even if the amount ended up ONLY being $100 per week, but maybe that could have had been as aggressive as he was able to be over the last 5 years... and yeah, maybe a person who is ONLY investing $10 per week is only at 0.2 BTC (valued at $8,500) after 5 years, but if that is as much as he is able to invest, then he is still quite a bit better off by investing into bitcoin rather than not doing so.. as long as he is able to safeguard his investment so he does not end up losing it.


Maybe, we cannot really know their circumstances, but you might be correct that it makes sense for them to keep building their stash, but if the are already getting into their 60s, they might be at a point where they are not really able to continue to build their stash and might have to consider ways to start to transition into either maintaining and/or even selling portions of their BTC stash to support or to supplement their living.


Fair enough.


You are correct Litzki1990.. it is very challenging to get rich, or get to fuck you status through various traditional means, and there has to be some kind of investments or even business related matters that end up way out performing regular investments.

Before I got into bitcoin, for more than 20 years, I had been using regular methods to accumulate wealth and those various investments performed on average about 5.5% per year, and they had some good years and bad years and really, I am calculating that performance in nominal wealth (and/or nominal appreciation) rather than in real terms, which would account for how the dollar debased during those more than 20 years.. .without bitcoin, those traditional investments have continued to perform in similar ways, even though in the past few years, it seems that the debasing of the dollar did end up going way higher (which is something that people of other currencies are more used to, but yeah even the dollar is getting debased more rapidly, which it still has the advantage of being the strongest of all the fiats.. which is not really saying a lot for the whole systems perilous status).

In other words, it seems more and more and more important to either put some money in bitcoin or to retain some of your value in bitcoin... even if you have plans to cash out some of the price appreciation of your BTC at various points as it goes up (if it goes up), and so therefore, you have to consider how many BTC are you willing to give up when you do end up selling at various points on the way up.. .and will you get them back.. perhaps yes, perhaps no, depending on how much you sell and at what points, so needs  to be careful in terms of calculating any of the various selling on the way up techniques, especially if you do not have a lot of coins, yet.


It sounds like you are trying to make excuses for the guy who sells too many BTC too early, and yeah, he may have regrets, and maybe he needs to invest an amount that is workable for him and not putting himself into stress by having so much of his value in bitcoin?

None of us can tell the solutions for anyone else, and so each person has to decide for himself how to balance his various 9 factors in regards to figuring out how much BTC he is able to buy on a regular basis and then the various timelines for managing those holdings in light of other investments that he might have..


Yeah, but even the person who might have had been struggling to buy $10 to $50 per week for many years may well end up in a very good position if the BTC price goes shooting up at various points during the BTC accumulation journey.

Sometimes the BTC price goes shooting up and it does not correct back down, and other times, the BTC price goes shooting up and it corrects back down, so it sometimes can be difficult to figure out the extent to which profits had been made or if the UPward BTC price move ended up being something that was not going to correct.


Ok.  that is something similar to what I am saying above too.. because we cannot really be sure whenever some kind of an upward price move will happen and no subsequent correction...and it is not even guaranteed to happen, even though we can look at bitcoin's investment thesis remaining strong and not really getting any weaker with the passage of time.

If the price of bitcoin can rise the next day, they can obviously get very lucky and sell it. But that's very difficult right now, especially as prices move wildly and are difficult to predict. Small investors can still buy bitcoin today, hold it for a few days, and sell it if the price is a few days later. Otherwise, they could keep holding it for the next few days.

If you analyze before buying bitcoin, it is not gambling. But if you buy without analysis, it is gambling. However, if you are able to hold it until the price rises, you will still make a profit. But you have to be patient.

Even for myself, I don't target quick profits in the investments I have made because I put in an amount that may be small enough for them but not too small for me. Maybe that's the example where I target investment in the long term so a small increase will not see a profit in my portfolio but at some point in the future I think I will see a larger percentage in profit and that may be decades in the future.

It's quite right as you say because if big investors can buy 2 BTC or 5 BTC at once then they will see quite a profit if the BTC increase is above 5%>. Even if we bought $10 in Bitcoin when the price was $15k and now it is $42k then we have seen quite a significant profit in our investment but that is according to the capital we put down. For the long term, it may not be possible to calculate the increase in the short term because the target could be an investment made for in the next 10 years.

Quick profits in Bitcoin sound to be almost an impossible thing to achieve for small bitcoin investors,  majority of those who benefits from Bitcoin price sudden increase are thise who buy a whole bags, those are the whales whi can buy Bitcoin i several units, sime time like 4 Bitcoins or above, that way, whatever the percentage of the price increase, you definitely have good amount as profits turn out.

Long term approach is the best for mostly small Bitcoin investors those that buy small amounts of sats and hold for a long before selling and at the same time accumulate more Bitcoin while making good use of the DCA tools to gain long-term benefits.

Time and profits the key words that dominated your submission are for those not planning to hold for long and that is at variance with the title of the thread. The thread is more of building a Bitcoin portfolio and the various suggestions and discussion are focused on effective ways of doing this.

To realise quick profit in Bitcoin, one can be so lucky to buy today and the next day the price rise giving unimaginable profits.  The reverse can also be the case and the result could be a huge loss. In reality, this is pure gambling which can be avoided by simply adopting the long term perspective.

I still feel that long term approach give bigger profits in addition to less stress. Those bought Bitcoin early part of the year and refused to sell might have seen good profits now far more than those who sold when the bull run started. Those they will hold into next year following the halving might even see more.

There may be a closely look on the situation that may have warrant for him to have make such statement, we should believe that so many people started well but along the line couldn't push on to continue because of their presents challenge, life is not what is fix itself, we made decision today to find out that tomorrow we cannot longer continue in that due to the things we are having encounter with.

The first aspect may be through his financial challenge, we cannot say maybe he has tried all means to ensure a steady flow of income that could be sustainable for his DCA but couldn't achieve any difference, some may be their personal decision, family influence or any others related obstacles that can make an investor to quit DCA or even sell his asset completely which he hodl.

Marriage is a new relationship between one family and another family. Marriage means the responsibility of a family falls on a boy. Life before marriage is same and life after marriage is same. Society says get yourself a good job first then get married but I have actually seen many couples who got married without any job got success after marriage. Many people's success comes late and many find their success early. Along the way I have also met people who got a good job after completing their graduation but left that job because they were exposed to Bitcoin while studying and have invested in Bitcoin ever since.

The person I'm talking about was a bank officer but he left the job due to overtime rules and is now running a household depending on the investments he made in bitcoins in the past and tedding as well. Not everyone gets success by just working, many get success by doing something else. The person who left the bank job believed that he would be able to manage the family through his investments and trading which is why he left the job.  

Since he was involved with Bitcoin since his student days, I would call this a long-term investment even though he had no plans for this investment. He converted the money he was making from the crypto platform into Bitcoin and today he owns about two BTC.

The impact of the halving event and also the mainstream adoption of Bitcoin in several places and countries has become quite a strong topic of conversation now. So the buyer's leverage is now starting to be seen quite clearly even though their purpose for buying is still unclear in the long term except to get more profits when the halving is over. However, it is also not wrong to do this because considering that Bitcoin is increasingly suitable for future investments with different time periods, so most people will still use Buy the DIP, and HODL for now.

I think it's not just about the timing, but also about how much profit you can get after you buy at this time. Because there are many people who get profits through their investments even though they haven't even reached five years, so this is not only about time, but also about how much profit and how much you can hold when you see the profit in your own wallet. But if you buy Bitcoin at this time not just for investment, maybe the story will be a little different from investors who only aim for profits through Bitcoin.

If you have decided to hold Bitcoin in the five year plan then this is the best decision for you at this time. Say you hold bitcoin for five years where people are deciding to sell their investments at a small profit. There is an expectation that you can hold Bitcoin for five years but I would like to add something here. Since you have decided to hold the investment for a long time, I will tell you that within these five years you must try to make your investment consistent. At first you start investing as much as you can and next time when you have extra money apart from family expenses you can invest that money in bitcoins. You may have to battle with your own mind to hold onto your investment for five years because your investment will show temporary gains or losses when the price of Bitcoin goes up and down. If you can accept this military club or loss, you will ultimately be able to hold on to your investment.
One of the most effective and reliable methods of investing in long-term planning is the DCA method of investing. If an investor invests in a long-term plan and DCA strategy, he is more likely to succeed in his investment than an ordinary investor. The DCA method basically works by assuming that the price of Bitcoin is changing and buying Bitcoin every moment of the change. If you can invest step by step without investing your entire money, then the risk of investing is greatly reduced. Even though many do not have enough money to start investing, they invest using this DCA strategy and an investor can accumulate a substantial amount of money by investing in this strategy for a certain period of time.

I think person in Hypo 1 and 2 are comfortably placed with 300 and 115 Bitcoins with less investment and they can think of varying there investment ratio in Bitcoin. I got a snapshot of Bitcoin price in last 5 years and they are not as lucrative as price was 10 years back (from 2013 to 2018).
Defiantly those who are early into Bitcoin and investing for last 10 years have edge over the ones joining 5 years ago or today. In Jan 2013, price of Bitcoin was around 13$ and in Dec 2013 it was around 700$. So one can easily figure out how much Bitcoins one can have if he is accumulating in that ear with 100 dollars per week. If you back to 2011 then Bitcoin was around 1$.
The person joining this year can surpass hypo 6 if he has lots of capital. With small capital you can't surpass even hypo 6.
Even investors in hypo 4,5 and 6 should not stop investing in DCA manner, as we still have to see full potential of Bitcoin.



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For doubting people about the future of bitcoin maybe its best for them to track back the history and those amazing pumps happen thru years of its existence. For sure they will find it amazing then would provably get convince to hold since bitcoin really put some amazing numbers each years pass so provably we can see more from it. We can consider the level of adoption also the awareness happening on it so there's really big chance that more to come especially for countries potentially to declare it as their legal tender.

That's why same with other slowly accumulating to save on future I also doing the same since I don't want those past to happen again where I or many people regret not to have bitcoin at that time since if they just hold it for sure they gain a lot of money from it if they convert on last ATH happen or even at the current price of bitcoin.

For now I'm saving for hodl but there's a chance that I will also do DCA since wanna experiment for my self it can give me more better result.

Saving some Bitcoin for the long term can be a wise decision especially considering its increasing mainstream adoption and the potential impact of the halving event. Separating a portion of your profits for longterm hodling is a good strategy to ensure you have some funds available for future success.
For that I have some money and I have already invested in Bitcoin and now I am using DCA method and I have decided to hold Bitcoin for more than 5 years. And I am sure that After 5 years I will be in profit because I believe in Bitcoin and in myself too.

In my personal opinion, investing in bitcoin will not be a big obstacle if you already have a family. Because in reality there are still many single people who certainly don't have big responsibilities, but in reality there are still many who haven't invested in bitcoin.

Therefore, I think the main differentiating factor between unmarried (single) bitcoin investors and married bitcoin investors is the issue of their financial situation. Because think about it, if someone is single, but their monthly income is only enough for daily living, can that person invest in bitcoin? My answer, of course, is most likely no. However, if someone is married, even though their needs are many, if their monthly income is greater and can meet all their family's living needs, I am sure that person can invest in Bitcoin better.

So clearly the main point is about financial conditions. Because whether you are single or married, if your financial situation does not support it, I believe it will be difficult to invest in Bitcoin.

Because of the supporting factors for success when investing in bitcoin

• Sufficient knowledge (about how to buy, sell, wallet, history, ETC)
• Invest with cold hard cash
• Using appropriate purchasing methods (DCA)
• And lastly, you must be able to control your emotions.

So the single factor and the married factor are not the main factors and are not a necessity or prohibition.

Not that I am deviating from this topic but this is one thing that holds some of our ladies remaining single that is wanting to achieve some specific investment or a desired dream before going into family mood. Usually when you work hard you can both achieved them all it depends on your personal arrangements how you wanna plan your life. Investing in bitcoin doesn't have anything connection as family woman or not the purpose of investment is for use after maturity and when there's need for investment and the investment is nor yielding any further results would you be still happy? No but then there's no family attached or involved into it, the main target is just pray for a better investment I have seen some single investment that turns people's life around and, In this you must not think of diversifying your investment to secure your money. A single luck of investment would end your 5 years targets of investment.

Well-thought advice because anyone who misses investing in their youthful age as being single and moves over to marriage without having solid secure investments or jobs, will always struggle to survive with their family in this bad global economy. The best time one has is at their single lifestyle to invest and hodl for long without much issue of finances.

As the global economy affects everyone financially, it begins to let us know that we have to take a step ahead for our future by investing wisely in bitcoin and we shouldn't just rely on our monthly salary without having a side hustle or other source of income.

Maybe for single people they can budget their monthly income more aggressively in investing in Bitcoin, for example 40% to invest because single people certainly don't have bigger responsibilities in their lives. But if which are married, of course they can invest 10% of the income they get every month in Bitcoin. Because I am also married and budgeting 10% is not too difficult for me because 10% is a savings that we don't touch if our economy gets worse.

And those who are already working, of course, if they are not able to save themselves by setting aside a portion of their income to invest, they will definitely regret it later because they spent money on things that are not useful in their lives, such buying the latest cell phone and other things. I taught some of them in my neighborhood to set aside their money to invest in Bitcoin for their future and yes sometimes they ignored it but yes now they regret it.

Even though I understand what Wind_FURY is saying, I would not let single versus married versus having other complications (such as a business or unstable/variable income/expenses) in your life deter you from figuring out how to invest into bitcoin, and surely when there are fewer variables, it can be and should be easier to figure out disposable income, but everyone still has similar challenges to figure out disposable income and to figure out the various uncertain aspects that come with more complexities in your finances whether income, expenses or even the influences (behaviors of others) that would cause variance. 

The mere fact of complexities or even low income does not make investing into bitcoin a black and white issue in which you either invest or you do not invest, but instead likely justifies maintaining a more solid emergency fund that might cover larger amounts for more months, and also might justify smaller regular DCA amounts, and then perhaps adding to the DCA amounts in times that discretionary income is greater.   It may even be the case that the people with the most complicated financial/psychological situations need bitcoin more than others, even if it might be more challenging for them to figure out how to accomplish a solid, regular consistent and persistent way of investing into BTC.

It's quite interesting learning this so early as many would have made this same mistake , I believe knowing this will certainly help me a lot, calling it an opportunity of connecting with this forum.

Being in a family way comes with a lot of sacrifices and billing, include the ones you planned and those that happens unexpectedly.
Very disheartening for those who never met Bitcoin during their youthful age and now struggling to keep up with their Bitcoin accumulation. Despite anything, accumulating in fractions is not a bad idea.

These are words coming from a wise man. I am very grateful for the enlightenment because so many people do not understand this little concept of life. Poor socialization and ignorance to secure the future while still young have affected the youths, in particular, these days. Ecclesiastics 3:3 says there is a time for everything under the heavens.

I believe being single is an opportunity to make informed decisions such as saving from the little we earn. There is no responsibility, obligation, or restriction to what we do. Because it is the right time to choose what we put money into. Bitcoin is a good start for single persons, after settling monthly bills, the rest money can be invested in Bitcoin and it is a wise choice.

That's what I'm doing even if I'm married since I regret for not saving bitcoin before while the price is so cheap and don't want this to happen again. Bitcoin right now had so big potential that's why its really good for us to save some for future. Bitcoin future is so good since it already reach on mainstream so I expect that more adoption will happen on it and this halving event would bring a lot of exposure to bitcoin especially if a lot of people see some outstanding price growth of this coin.

But if they can't afford to buy some amount because they think investing or trading it is more convenient to them then I guess what's more ideal there is to separate some part of their profit intended for long term hodl so that they may have some amount to use in future especially if they aim a huge success in future.