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Topic: Cairnsmore1 - Quad XC6SLX150 Board - page 128. (Read 286370 times)

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April 27, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
#28
Four USB ports per port Huh  Is it possible to handle all four FPGAs with one USB Port like the Ztex quad. Icarus and X6500 uses also only 1 port for 2 FPGAs. Would prevent some wire tangle Smiley

Hpman
I was under the impress it could still be ran though a single port, but could be split if desired.  4 cables per board would get ridiculous quick.
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April 27, 2012, 06:41:34 PM
#27
Four USB ports per port Huh  Is it possible to handle all four FPGAs with one USB Port like the Ztex quad. Icarus and X6500 uses also only 1 port for 2 FPGAs. Would prevent some wire tangle Smiley

Hpman
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1ngldh
April 27, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
#26
If you need a finished, packaged, in-the-box solution to accepting bitcoins, I can recommend http://bit-pay.com/ as a merchant solution with reasonable fees. Items can be priced in coins or in fiat, and the proceeds from a bitcoin sale can be deposited directly into your bank account as fiat. You even have the option to split the output and get your cost in fiat, and the profit in raw bitcoins.
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 03:47:29 PM
#25
Very nice to see someone stepping up!
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 03:26:38 PM
#24
Of course on the day that order 9 more BFL's !

LOL -- lots of time to cancel that order when they don't deliver as promised (4-6 weeks)
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April 27, 2012, 02:34:11 PM
#23
Right, but chances are it will pull at bare minimum 180MHash/chip or more (which is what the icarus does on a same speed grade LX150 chip). There is no reason the same chip would perform poorer than the currently available opensource option. And as said, there is nothing stopping their professional dev team from improving performance further as well.

If they can see 50% improvement in speed with a new bitstream, then the 50% price improvement still keeps them on-par with the price/performance ratio that BFL has, but with a better power efficiency, which is awesome Smiley

I'm very excited to see where this goes.
sr. member
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April 27, 2012, 02:19:11 PM
#22
I've seen other people report that XC6SLX150 can achieve 220 MHash. If this is correct then BFL is no longer the least expensive solution.

BFL Single - 800 MHash @ $599 = $.75 per MHash
Quad XC6SLX150 Board - 880 MHash @ $640 = $.64 Per MHash
The cost is fairly competitive even with BFL's MiniRig 25 GHash @ 15,000 = $.60 Per MHash

Considering BFLs poor tract record this company has a great potential to become the number 1 provider of FPGA devices for the Bitcoin community.

That's the first run to see if it can Bitmine as they stated, once proven it will go up by 50% so will be $.96/Mhash

Also as they said this is for production to test and benchmark, they are not giving any guarantees that it will even do 150Mhash per chip.
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April 27, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
#21
I've seen other people report that XC6SLX150 can achieve 220 MHash. If this is correct then BFL is no longer the least expensive solution.

BFL Single - 800 MHash @ $599 = $.75 per MHash
Quad XC6SLX150 Board - 880 MHash @ $640 = $.64 Per MHash
The cost is fairly competitive even with BFL's MiniRig 25 GHash @ 15,000 = $.60 Per MHash

Considering BFLs poor tract record this company has a great potential to become the number 1 provider of FPGA devices for the Bitcoin community.





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April 27, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
#20
Will there be a warranty available? Also, will there be non-warranty repair service available? For instance, if a component were to fail, outside of the warranty period if one is offered, would it be possible to mail the device back for repair?
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 01:42:30 PM
#19
Very interested.  Give BFL a run for their money, they need it.   Grin
legendary
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April 27, 2012, 12:12:04 PM
#18
Price is very attractive indeed. But this board will be huge...
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April 27, 2012, 11:28:36 AM
#17
We are looking at the bitstream aspect right now whilst the layout is completing but we should be able either directly use a bitstream or alternatively rebuild for our package/pinout.

On doing our own core that is certainly a possibility as is just improving existing ones. By past experience the team here are capable of reducing logic size, reducing power or even increasing performance over most "average" user designs. In extreme cases we have seen designs shrick by as much as 30-50% when we have worked seriously on a design. I won't say that can always be done, or it's easy, but we can often do something in this respect.

We are going to support the holes for heatsinks with fans by having suitable holes for these. Our shipping standard will be the 12cm fan with individual heatsinks. The 12cm fan should be a lot less noise and more reliable than the small heatsink mounted ones. For stacks we are planning a push-pull fan arrangement. Between all the holes planned in the PCB there should be a possibility to do a water cooled or single piece heatsink or even heatpipe. There will be 4 fan connectors to take power from and use those any sensible way you like.

Thanks for the response. Look forward to the prototype renderings.
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April 27, 2012, 11:23:55 AM
#16
We build FPGA boards in fairly large numbers so we get silicon cheaper than most and hence the price. The Spartan6 for this design has been used in designs here for over 2 years now and we use loads of them in other applications. Have a look at what we do in our Merrick family boards. Anything up 101 FPGAs on a single board.
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April 27, 2012, 11:17:34 AM
#15
How are you able to produce these boards for such a low cost? Compared to ZTEX and the other alternatives.
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April 27, 2012, 11:13:14 AM
#14
We are looking at the bitstream aspect right now whilst the layout is completing but we should be able either directly use a bitstream or alternatively rebuild for our package/pinout.

On doing our own core that is certainly a possibility as is just improving existing ones. By past experience the team here are capable of reducing logic size, reducing power or even increasing performance over most "average" user designs. In extreme cases we have seen designs shrick by as much as 30-50% when we have worked seriously on a design. I won't say that can always be done, or it's easy, but we can often do something in this respect.

We are going to support the holes for heatsinks with fans by having suitable holes for these. Our shipping standard will be the 12cm fan with individual heatsinks. The 12cm fan should be a lot less noise and more reliable than the small heatsink mounted ones. For stacks we are planning a push-pull fan arrangement. Between all the holes planned in the PCB there should be a possibility to do a water cooled or single piece heatsink or even heatpipe. There will be 4 fan connectors to take power from and use those any sensible way you like.
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April 27, 2012, 10:49:20 AM
#13
The design side is easy for our very able team. To give you an idea the design, and first proto was built, of Merrick1 in 8 weeks. That's 100X the complexity of what we are doing on this first Bitcoin product. I could give a very long list of similar examples of other projects. This is a professional design and manufacture team that's at the top of profession teams.

We will look at FPGA optimisations and software aspects but I won't promise any timelines. That's part of the reason for the current price. You will have to do a bit of work yourself so this may not be for everyone in this raw form. The timelines on this will depend on what else the design team end up doing. The team is rarely underloaded so this sort thing can take time.

yohan,

some rough edges are not a problem as long as the board has its FPGA bitstream and there is a description of the protocol used to communicate with onboard FPGAs so that mining programs can be upgraded to use your boards.

if, on the other  hand, you're selling a "naked" board, without any software nor FPGA bitstream, then this should be clearly stated since very few here will be able to use them even adding a lot of work Smiley

spiccioli.

 

If it is based on a XC6SLX150, shouldn't we be able to use the one of the many bitstreams for various boards out there? So long as we have an interface to program the FPGA it should be smooth sailing? I own no FPGAs but as you say this is a critical issue.

Also, could you guys use a through-hole mounting system for the heatsinks. Something in a similar manner to most other FPGAs. It makes mounting various heatsinks much easier than clip-on heatsinks. Depending on the design, I might attempt to mill a waterblock for these and a through-hole mounting system is far superior than clips.
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April 27, 2012, 10:31:52 AM
#12
We will look at mtgox or even Bitcoins directly but we are newbies in this market so we start with what we are already good at i.e. making boards and using payment systems we that have used for years. We are aware these payment systems might be an issue to some people in Bitcoin community so it will get looked at. It is a learning process for us and it would not be good for the business, or our customers, if we get it wrong. All of our cost base is in traditional money so we do need take care on conversion rates and so on. So please have patience in this respect and let us find our footing. it will get better in this respect. Our first target is to deliver what we have promised and ship customers their boards from late May.

Even with the large number of pre-orders we have received in the last 8 hours we are still well within our May and June capacity. As of this minute any pre-orders place are likely to be fulfilled by about mid-June if not sooner. We will have a better idea on timelines when we hit the milestone of ordering in the bare PCBs some time next week.
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April 27, 2012, 10:05:32 AM
#11
Email sent.

One question. Will you consider a method of payment which is "Bitcoin Friendly" such as accepting bitcoin itself or if that is too high risk due to fluctuating prices, at least accepting mtgox codes which can be sent in local currency and withdrawn by you for lower fees than paypal, while still allowing users to essentially pay with bitcoin?

Bank transfer is a decent option but paypal is not overly bitcoin friendly. Also in my case we operate 100% in bitcoin, withdrawing to pay in $USD creates some added complications. (Not to say it would stop us from buying mind you lol)

Also are you simply porting existing mining cores to this or developing your own core from scratch (with your experienced dev team you could likely build a much improved sha256 hashing core whch could further improve your performance). Or are you sending the boards without bitstreams and leaving it up to the community to develop one?
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April 27, 2012, 09:35:21 AM
#10
WOW. This looks really good Shocked

Couple of these boards and a router mining would be golden for me !

When will they be shipped ( lead time ) ?
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April 27, 2012, 07:21:09 AM
#9
Fantastic to see a UK alternative for FPGAs!

Subscribed and sent preorder email Smiley
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