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donator
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July 20, 2012, 09:41:04 PM
Ok, I've been bumbling through trying to flash the twin_test.bit onto the two boards I just got the other day (434 and 435). I don't know a whole lot about linux, so I'm hoping I missed something very simple and someone can help me out. I have the dip switches set according to the instructions PDF (SW1: 3 off, SW3&4: 1&2 off, all others on). When trying to flash with the command xc3sprog -c cm1 -p 0 -Ixc6lx150.bit twin_test.bit I get the following:


Did you program the FPGA first?  That looks like the error I saw when I tried skipping the FPGA programming and just changing the flash over.

What is the command for this? I'm not seeing it in the PDF.
donator
Activity: 162
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July 20, 2012, 08:34:15 PM
Ok, I've been bumbling through trying to flash the twin_test.bit onto the two boards I just got the other day (434 and 435). I don't know a whole lot about linux, so I'm hoping I missed something very simple and someone can help me out. I have the dip switches set according to the instructions PDF (SW1: 3 off, SW3&4: 1&2 off, all others on). When trying to flash with the command xc3sprog -c cm1 -p 0 -Ixc6lx150.bit twin_test.bit I get the following:



Based on the post below I checked the directory and I don't have a xc6lc150.bit file. Am I in the wrong directory, or doing something else wrong? I tried to follow the PDF guide from enterpoint to the letter. Thanks for any help anyone can offer me.

Code:
xc3sprog –c cm1 –p 0 –Ixc6lx150.bit twin_test.bit
does not work, but this time it's complaning about a filename issue to me. My initial hunch is that since the board im punishing is #108 the firmware filename on it has changed along the way. I'll re-read up on this , of how I wsh the search function on this forum worked better Smiley .. but for now Im going with the temporary flash.

Strange...
When you type a "ls -l" do you see the files in the directory? And make sure you use the correct filename, the filename in UPPERCASE is XC6LX150.bit, I did a typo the first times, so I used xc61 (number one here! but it is a small "L")...

Here is my directory (ls -l) after copy the files from usb stick:


If you have the same, the commandline should work.

good luck!
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
July 20, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
This is dmesg output.

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I have to say, that doesn't look like a bitstream problem. It looks very much like there's some problem with the USB hub that you're connecting the boards to - it's dropping off the bus, failing to enumerate at USB 2.0 speeds, and eventually falling back to USB 1.1. Try a different hub or connecting them directly?
Well that's certainly a good suggestion - but of course, spiccioli, note that they will get different USB numbers so be sure to compare the old and new correctly
i.e. plug a few directly into the computer and compare to the ones in the hubs - but unplug them, then first take a listing of 'ls /dev/ttyUSB*' then plug them in and compare to what it was before - the new numbers not present in the previous listing (which can be higher or in the middle of the old numbers) are of course the direct connected ones.

Also, certain old linux kernels have a problem with sending/receiving > 64 bytes over Serial+USB and literally chop off a byte at 64
Seeing the number 64 in there reminded me of that - but I don't know the kernel numbers.
hero member
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July 20, 2012, 06:21:19 PM
sr. member
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July 20, 2012, 06:17:12 PM

Think that might be a keypoint to stability issues, I have noticed a lot with the worst problems with stability use windows.
Guess I really need to get my arse into gear and get cgminer working on linux.

Lethos,

I've had boards running without interruption for at least 12 days using Win7 32 bit.  I would take a serious look at your hardware, and possibly swap it out.

A power flicker once required me to shut down and remount the entire system, but that should be obvious if you have any digital clocks.

Also I had one case where the USB chain dropped on the boards over night, but exactly the same thing happened to my Ztex system running completely independently in a different room.  I suspect stray EM interference in that case.  Do you happen to live in the flight path of an airport?

I am not anywhere near an airport. I am however near a cell phone tower it's just 200-300 yards away.
I swear If I'm just moved house (last week) right next to a place that is making it impossible for my new hardware to work reliably I'll be pissed.
I haven't had the time to work on getting it working in linux yet, had a major development project sitting on me past few weeks.

Hey, I'd just be happy to get this working reliably, I'm far more familar with Windows than I am Linux (apart from Centos). I'm not that familar with Ubuntu and Debian which are far more prefered for personal computer Linux OS.
Most of my experience with Linux is with servers, running it for high load game servers, not using Linux as a personal computer, so It's a slightly different aspect of linux for me to learn.
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July 20, 2012, 05:37:43 PM
Been having issues with my board recently.  It won't even make it past the 1 hour mark before it disconnects in Windows.  Have to constantly power cycle the device so I can have it working somewhat. Undecided

Try changing the USB cable

Just swapped it out, will see how that goes.  Thanks!
donator
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July 20, 2012, 04:43:13 PM
[... lots of in deep info about cgminer internals ...]

Thanks kano for the extended explanation. Happy that I was not too way off understanding the code Wink

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Heh - well then someone should read the FPGA-README in cgminer that I wrote quite a while ago:
WTF! I spent so many hours analyzing the Icarus driver code and it was all already written in a Readme? Serves me right for not remembering to RTFM...

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So yes I stated this when I wrote the code that it required a pair of FPGA (hashing half each)

If these boards are only hashing half the range on a single FPGA then the MH/s value will of course report double what it really is.
The code itself simply doubles the count of hashes completed each time since it knows EXACTLY how many hashes were done and how long it took and assuming there are 2 FPGA (as I said above) then double ((nonce & 0x7fffffff) + 1) is of course correct - NOT an estimate AT ALL.

I was maybe not clear: not saying that the Icarus driver reports the wrong hashrate, only that the cgminer core has no own measure to report the rate other than what the driver is claiming to have processed. I could claim my SoundBlaster DSP can do 1THps and write a driver for it to fool people with that rate being displayed. But you can't cheat the U factor.


Thanks again for all the clarification.

member
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July 20, 2012, 11:45:28 AM
Been having issues with my board recently.  It won't even make it past the 1 hour mark before it disconnects in Windows.  Have to constantly power cycle the device so I can have it working somewhat. Undecided
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July 20, 2012, 11:39:41 AM
Im glad to hear that a lot of people are currently working on a bitstream and would like to propose a bounty on one. Since im fairly sure a lot others are willing to pledge and would like to discuss the terms of such a bounty I have started a separate thread for it, dont want to clog this one up more than is necessary.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1042972
legendary
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nec sine labore
July 20, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
Double failure Sad

after one week, this afternoon I found

Code:
 cgminer version 2.4.3 - Started: [2012-07-13 07:26:50]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 (5s):0.0 (avg):7341.2 Mh/s | Q:1462192  A:535635  R:580  HW:0  E:37%  U:50.2/m
 TQ: 20  ST: 21  SS: 18  DW: 19736  NB: 1148  LW: 1731  GF: 982  RF: 11
 Connected to http://pool.abcpool.co with LP as user ......
 Block: 0000014fd06b0138ceffc572e94b9597...  Started: [17:10:25]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 ICA 0:                | OFF  /366.7Mh/s | A:27822 R:34 HW:0 U: 2.61/m
 ICA 1:                | OFF  /366.9Mh/s | A:25564 R:25 HW:0 U: 2.40/m
 ICA 2:                | OFF  /367.0Mh/s | A:27594 R:33 HW:0 U: 2.59/m
 ICA 3:                | OFF  /366.9Mh/s | A:26397 R:31 HW:0 U: 2.47/m
 ICA 4:                | OFF  /366.9Mh/s | A:27691 R:23 HW:0 U: 2.59/m
 ICA 5:                | OFF  /366.9Mh/s | A:27226 R:23 HW:0 U: 2.55/m
 ICA 6:                | OFF  /366.6Mh/s | A:27374 R:24 HW:0 U: 2.56/m
 ICA 7:                | OFF  /366.4Mh/s | A:19404 R:25 HW:0 U: 1.82/m
 ICA 8:                | 380.0/367.3Mh/s | A:27337 R:34 HW:0 U: 2.56/m
 ICA 9:                | 380.0/367.2Mh/s | A:23528 R:27 HW:0 U: 2.20/m
 ICA 10:                | 380.0/367.3Mh/s | A:27353 R:32 HW:0 U: 2.56/m
 ICA 11:                | 380.0/367.1Mh/s | A:27529 R:23 HW:0 U: 2.58/m
 ICA 12:                | 380.0/367.3Mh/s | A:27557 R:32 HW:0 U: 2.58/m
 ICA 13:                | 380.0/367.3Mh/s | A:27555 R:32 HW:0 U: 2.58/m
 ICA 14:                | 380.0/367.1Mh/s | A:27685 R:32 HW:0 U: 2.59/m
 ICA 15:                | 380.0/367.2Mh/s | A:27517 R:26 HW:0 U: 2.58/m
 ICA 16:                | 380.0/367.3Mh/s | A:27500 R:28 HW:0 U: 2.58/m
 ICA 17:                | 380.0/367.3Mh/s | A:27658 R:33 HW:0 U: 2.59/m
 ICA 18:                | 380.0/367.2Mh/s | A:27792 R:30 HW:0 U: 2.60/m
 ICA 19:                | 380.0/367.3Mh/s | A:27552 R:33 HW:0 U: 2.58/m
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 [2012-07-20 16:17:02] ICA 4 failure, disabling!
 [2012-07-20 16:17:02] ICA 5 failure, disabling!
 [2012-07-20 16:17:02] ICA 6 failure, disabling!
 [2012-07-20 16:17:02] ICA 7 failure, disabling!
 [2012-07-20 16:36:52] LONGPOLL from pool 0 detected new block
 [2012-07-20 16:38:25] LONGPOLL from pool 0 detected new block
 [2012-07-20 16:40:08] LONGPOLL from pool 0 detected new block
 [2012-07-20 16:43:18] LONGPOLL from pool 0 detected new block
 [2012-07-20 16:45:26] LONGPOLL from pool 0 detected new block
 [2012-07-20 16:55:44] LONGPOLL from pool 0 detected new block

half of my boards disconnected and reconnected as new usb ports, cgminer stopped sending more work to my pool even if it is still working as it detects long polls.

This is dmesg output.

Code:
[636683.527463] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, device number 2
[636683.527480] usb 1-3.1: USB disconnect, device number 4
[636683.527969] ftdi_sio ttyUSB0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0
[636683.528056] ftdi_sio 1-3.1:1.0: device disconnected
[636683.531516] ftdi_sio ttyUSB1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB1
[636683.531571] ftdi_sio 1-3.1:1.1: device disconnected
[636683.537769] ftdi_sio ttyUSB2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB2
[636683.537810] ftdi_sio 1-3.1:1.2: device disconnected
[636683.541175] ftdi_sio ttyUSB3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB3
[636683.541216] ftdi_sio 1-3.1:1.3: device disconnected
[636683.541585] usb 1-3.2: USB disconnect, device number 5
[636683.541957] ftdi_sio ttyUSB4: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB4
[636683.542003] ftdi_sio 1-3.2:1.0: device disconnected
[636683.543191] ftdi_sio ttyUSB5: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB5
[636683.543241] ftdi_sio 1-3.2:1.1: device disconnected
[636683.546774] ftdi_sio ttyUSB6: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB6
[636683.546815] ftdi_sio 1-3.2:1.2: device disconnected
[636683.549974] ftdi_sio ttyUSB7: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB7
[636683.550008] ftdi_sio 1-3.2:1.3: device disconnected
[636683.550311] usb 1-3.3: USB disconnect, device number 6
[636683.550616] ftdi_sio ttyUSB8: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB8
[636683.550655] ftdi_sio 1-3.3:1.0: device disconnected
[636683.552739] ftdi_sio ttyUSB9: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB9
[636683.552782] ftdi_sio 1-3.3:1.1: device disconnected
[636683.556542] ftdi_sio ttyUSB10: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB10
[636683.556577] ftdi_sio 1-3.3:1.2: device disconnected
[636683.559003] ftdi_sio ttyUSB11: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB11
[636683.559037] ftdi_sio 1-3.3:1.3: device disconnected
[636683.559342] usb 1-3.4: USB disconnect, device number 7
[636683.559647] ftdi_sio ttyUSB12: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB12
[636683.559688] ftdi_sio 1-3.4:1.0: device disconnected
[636683.562317] ftdi_sio ttyUSB13: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB13
[636683.562362] ftdi_sio 1-3.4:1.1: device disconnected
[636683.565950] ftdi_sio ttyUSB14: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB14
[636683.565985] ftdi_sio 1-3.4:1.2: device disconnected
[636683.569579] ftdi_sio ttyUSB15: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disconnected from ttyUSB15
[636683.569614] ftdi_sio 1-3.4:1.3: device disconnected
[636683.808058] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 15 using ehci_hcd
[636698.920070] usb 1-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[636714.136074] usb 1-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[636714.352074] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 16 using ehci_hcd
[636729.464051] usb 1-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[636744.680055] usb 1-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[636744.896057] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 17 using ehci_hcd
[636755.304068] usb 1-3: device not accepting address 17, error -110
[636755.416075] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 18 using ehci_hcd
[636765.824088] usb 1-3: device not accepting address 18, error -110
[636765.824235] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 3
[636766.080066] usb 3-1: new full-speed USB device number 2 using uhci_hcd
[636766.225103] usb 3-1: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
[636766.250260] hub 3-1:1.0: USB hub found
[636766.252447] hub 3-1:1.0: 4 ports detected
[636766.537118] usb 3-1.1: new full-speed USB device number 3 using uhci_hcd
[636766.639088] usb 3-1.1: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
[636766.675515] ftdi_sio 3-1.1:1.0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636766.675636] usb 3-1.1: Detected FT4232H
[636766.675648] usb 3-1.1: Number of endpoints 2
[636766.675660] usb 3-1.1: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.675672] usb 3-1.1: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.675684] usb 3-1.1: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.677277] usb 3-1.1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[636766.681010] ftdi_sio 3-1.1:1.1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636766.681143] usb 3-1.1: Detected FT4232H
[636766.681155] usb 3-1.1: Number of endpoints 2
[636766.681167] usb 3-1.1: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.681179] usb 3-1.1: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.681191] usb 3-1.1: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.683866] usb 3-1.1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[636766.687509] ftdi_sio 3-1.1:1.2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636766.687627] usb 3-1.1: Detected FT4232H
[636766.687639] usb 3-1.1: Number of endpoints 2
[636766.687651] usb 3-1.1: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.687663] usb 3-1.1: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.687675] usb 3-1.1: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.689301] usb 3-1.1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB4
[636766.692684] ftdi_sio 3-1.1:1.3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636766.692783] usb 3-1.1: Detected FT4232H
[636766.692793] usb 3-1.1: Number of endpoints 2
[636766.692803] usb 3-1.1: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.692812] usb 3-1.1: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.692821] usb 3-1.1: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.694253] usb 3-1.1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB5
[636766.769118] usb 3-1.2: new full-speed USB device number 4 using uhci_hcd
[636766.872093] usb 3-1.2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
[636766.910520] ftdi_sio 3-1.2:1.0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636766.910646] usb 3-1.2: Detected FT4232H
[636766.910658] usb 3-1.2: Number of endpoints 2
[636766.910670] usb 3-1.2: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.910682] usb 3-1.2: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.910693] usb 3-1.2: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.913543] usb 3-1.2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB8
[636766.916687] ftdi_sio 3-1.2:1.1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636766.916811] usb 3-1.2: Detected FT4232H
[636766.916823] usb 3-1.2: Number of endpoints 2
[636766.916835] usb 3-1.2: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.916847] usb 3-1.2: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.916858] usb 3-1.2: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.918279] usb 3-1.2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB9
[636766.921514] ftdi_sio 3-1.2:1.2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636766.921634] usb 3-1.2: Detected FT4232H
[636766.921646] usb 3-1.2: Number of endpoints 2
[636766.921658] usb 3-1.2: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.921670] usb 3-1.2: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.921681] usb 3-1.2: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.923932] usb 3-1.2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB12
[636766.927514] ftdi_sio 3-1.2:1.3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636766.927637] usb 3-1.2: Detected FT4232H
[636766.927649] usb 3-1.2: Number of endpoints 2
[636766.927661] usb 3-1.2: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.927673] usb 3-1.2: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.927684] usb 3-1.2: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636766.929279] usb 3-1.2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB13
[636767.005107] usb 3-1.3: new full-speed USB device number 5 using uhci_hcd
[636767.107088] usb 3-1.3: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
[636767.145527] ftdi_sio 3-1.3:1.0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636767.145649] usb 3-1.3: Detected FT4232H
[636767.145662] usb 3-1.3: Number of endpoints 2
[636767.145674] usb 3-1.3: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.145686] usb 3-1.3: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.145697] usb 3-1.3: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.147857] usb 3-1.3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB40
[636767.151504] ftdi_sio 3-1.3:1.1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636767.151635] usb 3-1.3: Detected FT4232H
[636767.151647] usb 3-1.3: Number of endpoints 2
[636767.151659] usb 3-1.3: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.151671] usb 3-1.3: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.151682] usb 3-1.3: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.153281] usb 3-1.3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB41
[636767.156697] ftdi_sio 3-1.3:1.2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636767.156820] usb 3-1.3: Detected FT4232H
[636767.156831] usb 3-1.3: Number of endpoints 2
[636767.156843] usb 3-1.3: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.156855] usb 3-1.3: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.156866] usb 3-1.3: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.159105] usb 3-1.3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB42
[636767.162427] ftdi_sio 3-1.3:1.3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[636767.162534] usb 3-1.3: Detected FT4232H
[636767.162543] usb 3-1.3: Number of endpoints 2
[636767.162553] usb 3-1.3: Endpoint 1 MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.162563] usb 3-1.3: Endpoint 2 MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.162572] usb 3-1.3: Setting MaxPacketSize 64
[636767.164807] usb 3-1.3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB43

spiccioli
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July 20, 2012, 09:17:34 AM
Thanks, zefir.
Now it is much more clear.

One more question:

Quote
The Cairnsmore1 has been planned as a dual Icarus board, but for the known design mistake the second FPGA of each pair is deactivated for the original bitstream. Therefore running CM1 in Icarus mode gives you two times half the processing power - or just one Icarus equivalent.

The only CM1 operating modes I found are Test mode and Icarus.

Is there any workaround to make CM1 use the full power? Some 3rd party bitstream or not documented DIP switches position or else?
Or maybe the Controller 1.4 would fix that?

Thanks
From the info I collected so far, it seems that right now we are restricted to these two. User Glasswalker was the one trying to 'fix' the original Icarus bitstream to handle the swapped RX/TX lines, but he run into problems getting it stable and had to reduce the clock => that is the shipping_test.bit one. The twin_test.bit seems to be ngzhang's original one that does well with only one FPGA per pair enabled.

Many of us are trying to get EldenTyrell's TriCoreMining working on CM1, to my knowledge nobody was successful so far. You might want to watch the related thread.

Other than that I read somewhere that Glasswalker is still working on some CM1 bitstream, but is right now busy and stressed after he got hacked and robbed 12k+$.

I discussed once with Yohan and he told me that everyone who is able and willing to work on a bitstream can get all required information. Anyone Huh

I'm glad multiple people are trying to get a bitstream together. It's not easy and I am also one of them, how ever I'm still in the learning stages of figuring the hardware itself. Until I do, and know what I'm working with it makes it harder to software design for it.

I can certain see some potential ways to improve the bitstream, but I do have my concerns that if I can't get it to work stable like others can, I could be adding too many variables and won't know what to blame if I add another (my own bitstream). So If I move my running of the CM1's over to linux, If it solves my issues of stability, then I'll be happy to start building a bitstream.
Stability is key, It's no fun seeing it only up for 1-2 hours, I can't watch it like a hawk, else I'd get no work done.
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Keep it Simple. Every Bit Matters.
July 20, 2012, 09:11:34 AM
Can you share how you managed to get it stable for that long, since many are not yet.
What settings and that do you use in CGminer?

Hi Lethos,

nothing fancy, I just start cgminer telling it what ttyUSB?? port (I'm on linux) to use, I'm not using the icarus-timing option.


spiccioli

Think that might be a keypoint to stability issues, I have noticed a lot with the worst problems with stability use windows.
Guess I really need to get my arse into gear and get cgminer working on linux.

Lethos,

I think there are problems with usb drivers on windows, Yohan found out that inserting a usb key sometimes makes one or more boards to disappear.

In my case, though, the stuck FPGA does not hash anymore, its A: value hasn't been changing for two days now, but there are no signs that the usb connections is gone, since the other FPGA on the same boards is still hashing nicely.

So either the controlling FPGA "lost" that single FPGA or bitstream inside that FPGA locked up for some reason.

Anyway, you can look here for a 32 bit cgminer 2.4.3 compiled for linux with just icarus support available (this is the one I'm using), you need to trust my build though.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78239.msg993287;topicseen#msg993287

spiccioli


I will actually give it a go. Thanks.
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July 20, 2012, 06:58:55 AM

[...]
Can somebody explain me that?

The effect was correctly explained, i.e. what cgminer reports as hashrate needs to be halved to get the correct value for the CM1 operating with the twin_test.bit bitstream, while the U factor is correct.

Alas, the root cause is not related to the timing settings that are floating around, it is more a result of how cgminer and the Icarus driver work and the fact that one FPGA of each pair is not operable. If you don't care the details, skip to the tl;dr line.
Heh - well then someone should read the FPGA-README in cgminer that I wrote quite a while ago:
Code:
The Icarus code currently only works with a dual FPGA device that supports the same commands as
Icarus Rev3 requires and also is less than ~840MH/s and greater than 2MH/s
If a dual FPGA device does hash faster than ~840MH/s it should work correctly if you supply the
correct hash time nanoseconds value
So yes I stated this when I wrote the code that it required a pair of FPGA (hashing half each)

If these boards are only hashing half the range on a single FPGA then the MH/s value will of course report double what it really is.
The code itself simply doubles the count of hashes completed each time since it knows EXACTLY how many hashes were done and how long it took and assuming there are 2 FPGA (as I said above) then double ((nonce & 0x7fffffff) + 1) is of course correct - NOT an estimate AT ALL.

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Cgminer Work Processing
To understand the numbers, it is important to understand how the work is processed between pools/bitcoind and the worker: work is fetched from pool(s) and provided to the related driver in chunks of a whole nonce ranges (2^32 hashes). The working unit (being it CPU, GPU, or FPGA) calculates the hashes and reports back valid shares and how much hashes have been processed.
Close ... Icarus simply reports back a nonce value (as stated above) and nothing else
(also in the case of GPUs the miner breaks the work up into tiny bits (seriously tiny) and feeds them to the GPU)
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Using Icarus driver for CM1
You need to know the Icarus API to understand the numbers. The API to the Icarus provides no status queries: there is no command to ask the board if it is present or how far it is in processing the nonce range. The only function supported is: you sent it work and it reports you the nonce generating a share - thats it.

As a result of this limited functionality, two workarounds are used in cgminer:
  • To detect whether an Icarus is attached to a serial line, you feed it with work containing a 'golden nonce', that is known to be found very soon (say after some milliseconds) in the range. If an attached device reports what you expect, you found an Icarus, otherwise you see a warning that an unexpected nonce (or nothing) was reported.
  • Being unable to query the process in the nonce range requires some timeouts, in case there is work containing zero valid shares. For that you need to know how long the Icarus is busy crunching the work package, which is easily calculated by (2^32 / hashrate). If after that time you did not hear from your board, you just give it something else to work on. If the timeout value is too long, you risk the FPGA idling around, if it is too short you are aborting nonce ranges and feeding more work than required, which impairs efficiency due to serial line communication delays.
Underestimating the abort time is not a big issue.
The serial I/O per nonce range is approx 5ms or ~0.1% so if you are aborting at 50% of the range it's still only an extra ~0.1% per share.

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Hashrate
The hashrate is calculated as (hashes reported by driver / elapsed time). cgminer fully relies on what the related driver reports and has no means to verify that the work has really been completed - one can easily write a driver that reports 10TH for a device. It is a tribute to the established MHps measure, but a not exactly precise and controllable one.
Read the FPGA-README ...

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When a CM1 FPGA-pair is fed with work, it only operates the first half of it, but reports that the whole range was done. As a result, the reported MHps value is exactly doubled. A side effect of this fact is that twice as many getworks are required. It is possible to modify the reported hashes in a dedicated CM1 driver to correct the hashrate displayed, but given that the Icarus bitstream is only an interim solution, it is easier to add some brain-work and just halve it.

Utilization Factor U
This is the real performance factor, since it reports the average accepted shares by the pool per minute. It is what you get as income and calculated by cgminer independent of the underlying driver. For a CM1 this should be somewhere ~2.5/m per FPGA, a board should provide you 5/m.
Unless the FPGA's perform worse than the Icarus, they should get ~2.65/m and the board ~5.3/m
Of course, as I stated before, it can take days to start to converge to that value.

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Icarus Timings
With CM1 operating with the twin_test bitstream, there is no need to adjust the timings as the clocks are the same as with Icarus. This is only required when the clocks change (like it was for the shipping_test bitstream).
However, unless they really are the same (and all the numbers quoted so far by everyone are incorrectly low) you should run --icarus-timing long to confirm that the hardware is indeed the same speed and the Hs value will tell you if it is - again all the numbers reported so far say it is less.
The Icarus Hs value is 0.0000000026316 (2.6316ns)
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Tl;dr
When operating CM1 in Icarus mode (twin_test.bit)
  • the reported hashrate must be halved and should be around 380 MHps per board
  • the reported U is correct and should be somewhere around 5/min per board
  • no timing parameters are required

HTH
Halved: yes (since it does seem half the FPGA are idle doing nothing and U: shows that)
U: again - don't pay too much attention to U: unless it been running for at LEAST a few days ...
As long as these things are hashing at the same speed as an Icarus, then there is no need for timing parameters, however if they do hash slower, then setting the parameter will increase performance, but only ever so slightly
If they do hash more than 384MH/s (or really more than 192MH/s per FPGA) , then using the default Icarus parameters will slow it down.
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July 20, 2012, 06:29:11 AM
Yohan, are there instructions for setting up the stacking kits? I'm just not understanding how the sticks screw together.  Huh
Seriously? =D They just screw into eachother man. There aren't that many different combinations..
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July 20, 2012, 05:49:19 AM
Thanks, zefir.
Now it is much more clear.

One more question:

Quote
The Cairnsmore1 has been planned as a dual Icarus board, but for the known design mistake the second FPGA of each pair is deactivated for the original bitstream. Therefore running CM1 in Icarus mode gives you two times half the processing power - or just one Icarus equivalent.

The only CM1 operating modes I found are Test mode and Icarus.

Is there any workaround to make CM1 use the full power? Some 3rd party bitstream or not documented DIP switches position or else?
Or maybe the Controller 1.4 would fix that?

Thanks
From the info I collected so far, it seems that right now we are restricted to these two. User Glasswalker was the one trying to 'fix' the original Icarus bitstream to handle the swapped RX/TX lines, but he run into problems getting it stable and had to reduce the clock => that is the shipping_test.bit one. The twin_test.bit seems to be ngzhang's original one that does well with only one FPGA per pair enabled.

Many of us are trying to get EldenTyrell's TriCoreMining working on CM1, to my knowledge nobody was successful so far. You might want to watch the related thread.

Other than that I read somewhere that Glasswalker is still working on some CM1 bitstream, but is right now busy and stressed after he got hacked and robbed 12k+$.

I discussed once with Yohan and he told me that everyone who is able and willing to work on a bitstream can get all required information. Anyone Huh
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July 20, 2012, 05:42:35 AM
Can you share how you managed to get it stable for that long, since many are not yet.
What settings and that do you use in CGminer?

Hi Lethos,

nothing fancy, I just start cgminer telling it what ttyUSB?? port (I'm on linux) to use, I'm not using the icarus-timing option.


spiccioli

Think that might be a keypoint to stability issues, I have noticed a lot with the worst problems with stability use windows.
Guess I really need to get my arse into gear and get cgminer working on linux.

Lethos,

I think there are problems with usb drivers on windows, Yohan found out that inserting a usb key sometimes makes one or more boards to disappear.

In my case, though, the stuck FPGA does not hash anymore, its A: value hasn't been changing for two days now, but there are no signs that the usb connections is gone, since the other FPGA on the same boards is still hashing nicely.

So either the controlling FPGA "lost" that single FPGA or bitstream inside that FPGA locked up for some reason.

Anyway, you can look here for a 32 bit cgminer 2.4.3 compiled for linux with just icarus support available (this is the one I'm using), you need to trust my build though.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78239.msg993287;topicseen#msg993287

spiccioli
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July 20, 2012, 05:42:22 AM
Can you share how you managed to get it stable for that long, since many are not yet.
What settings and that do you use in CGminer?

Hi Lethos,

nothing fancy, I just start cgminer telling it what ttyUSB?? port (I'm on linux) to use, I'm not using the icarus-timing option.


spiccioli
Yeah those MH/s values are wrong of course Smiley
(--icarus-timing fixes that)
The correct MH/s for U: 2.60/m would be 186MH/s
i.e. ignore the MH/s numbers on your screen.

the --icarus-timing (assuming 2.60/186 is correct) would be ~5.376
But to be sure you would use something like --icarus-timing 5.376=200

Of course you can get close to the correct value instead of 5.376 using --icarus-timing short

kano,

I've found that cgminer 2.4.3 works as well without using --icarus-timing at all, I'm just throwing away a bigger part of each getwork and I don't see the correct hashing speed (which is not an issue for me).

By the way, the used bitstream should be hashing at 190MH/s but there are boards with higher U: and other boards with a lower one, so a single --icarus-timing option would be correct just for some boards.

spiccioli.

U: is not an accurate measurement of board performance - that is why I said that --icarus-timing short would be required.
All boards should hash at the same rate unless there are hardware production variation issues.
U: is random.
The U: value will only start to converge on the expected value after a few days of hashing.
... and note I said: 'converge' not 'equal'

However ... I'll now reply to zefir ...
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July 20, 2012, 05:34:02 AM
Thanks, zefir.
Now it is much more clear.

One more question:

Quote
The Cairnsmore1 has been planned as a dual Icarus board, but for the known design mistake the second FPGA of each pair is deactivated for the original bitstream. Therefore running CM1 in Icarus mode gives you two times half the processing power - or just one Icarus equivalent.

The only CM1 operating modes I found are Test mode and Icarus.

Is there any workaround to make CM1 use the full power? Some 3rd party bitstream or not documented DIP switches position or else?
Or maybe the Controller 1.4 would fix that?

Thanks
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July 20, 2012, 05:26:45 AM
Can you share how you managed to get it stable for that long, since many are not yet.
What settings and that do you use in CGminer?

Hi Lethos,

nothing fancy, I just start cgminer telling it what ttyUSB?? port (I'm on linux) to use, I'm not using the icarus-timing option.


spiccioli

Think that might be a keypoint to stability issues, I have noticed a lot with the worst problems with stability use windows.
Guess I really need to get my arse into gear and get cgminer working on linux.
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July 20, 2012, 04:24:04 AM

[...]
Can somebody explain me that?

The effect was correctly explained, i.e. what cgminer reports as hashrate needs to be halved to get the correct value for the CM1 operating with the twin_test.bit bitstream, while the U factor is correct.

Alas, the root cause is not related to the timing settings that are floating around, it is more a result of how cgminer and the Icarus driver work and the fact that one FPGA of each pair is not operable. If you don't care the details, skip to the tl;dr line.

Cgminer Work Processing
To understand the numbers, it is important to understand how the work is processed between pools/bitcoind and the worker: work is fetched from pool(s) and provided to the related driver in chunks of a whole nonce ranges (2^32 hashes). The working unit (being it CPU, GPU, or FPGA) calculates the hashes and reports back valid shares and how much hashes have been processed.

Using Icarus driver for CM1
You need to know the Icarus API to understand the numbers. The API to the Icarus provides no status queries: there is no command to ask the board if it is present or how far it is in processing the nonce range. The only function supported is: you sent it work and it reports you the nonce generating a share - thats it.

As a result of this limited functionality, two workarounds are used in cgminer:
  • To detect whether an Icarus is attached to a serial line, you feed it with work containing a 'golden nonce', that is known to be found very soon (say after some milliseconds) in the range. If an attached device reports what you expect, you found an Icarus, otherwise you see a warning that an unexpected nonce (or nothing) was reported.
  • Being unable to query the process in the nonce range requires some timeouts, in case there is work containing zero valid shares. For that you need to know how long the Icarus is busy crunching the work package, which is easily calculated by (2^32 / hashrate). If after that time you did not hear from your board, you just give it something else to work on. If the timeout value is too long, you risk the FPGA idling around, if it is too short you are aborting nonce ranges and feeding more work than required, which impairs efficiency due to serial line communication delays.

Icarus processes the work by equally distributing it to the two FPGAs with each one generating 2^31 hashes (0-0x7fffffff and 0x80000000-0xffffffff). The Cairnsmore1 has been planned as a dual Icarus board, but for the known design mistake the second FPGA of each pair is deactivated for the original bitstream. Therefore running CM1 in Icarus mode gives you two times half the processing power - or just one Icarus equivalent.

Hashrate
The hashrate is calculated as (hashes reported by driver / elapsed time). cgminer fully relies on what the related driver reports and has no means to verify that the work has really been completed - one can easily write a driver that reports 10TH for a device. It is a tribute to the established MHps measure, but a not exactly precise and controllable one.

When a CM1 FPGA-pair is fed with work, it only operates the first half of it, but reports that the whole range was done. As a result, the reported MHps value is exactly doubled. A side effect of this fact is that twice as many getworks are required. It is possible to modify the reported hashes in a dedicated CM1 driver to correct the hashrate displayed, but given that the Icarus bitstream is only an interim solution, it is easier to add some brain-work and just halve it.

Utilization Factor U
This is the real performance factor, since it reports the average accepted shares by the pool per minute. It is what you get as income and calculated by cgminer independent of the underlying driver. For a CM1 this should be somewhere ~2.5/m per FPGA, a board should provide you 5/m.

Icarus Timings
With CM1 operating with the twin_test bitstream, there is no need to adjust the timings as the clocks are the same as with Icarus. This is only required when the clocks change (like it was for the shipping_test bitstream).


Tl;dr
When operating CM1 in Icarus mode (twin_test.bit)
  • the reported hashrate must be halved and should be around 380 MHps per board
  • the reported U is correct and should be somewhere around 5/min per board
  • no timing parameters are required


HTH
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