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legendary
Activity: 1059
Merit: 1020
https://twitter.com/JStuhlman
Is it just me or this is complete BS? I have been holding CAIx for a long time but this announcement is so fucking stupid. Did you forget this is a 1.6 mil supply coin and that you also have plans of destroying even some of those coins? You want to make a coin that is owned by a hundred of people or what?

Part II: CAIx Masternodes


I need to clarify one thing about our Masternode program, you do not need to own one to benefit.
Some might not be able to afford to create one, but the process of creating them can only increase
the price of CAIx and the benefit will be realized elsewhere...

The first tier of CAIx Masternodes will start at 20000CAIx, second tier will be at 15000CAIx,
third at 10000CAIx, and fourth tier will start at 5000 CAIx.

A masternode is a wallet minting an amount equal or higher to the figures above.
Each masternode will receive a share of our first distribution of dividend.
The Masternodes must be active for 30 days, where screen shots will be taken
and saved for comparison and later distribution on active nodes. This will start
on Sunday the 1st of June and ends on Monday the 30th
of June. At which time the first distribution will commence.

More distributions will be done as our projects make more and more profits and
and a portion is set aside for dividend. Higher tiered masternodes will receive
higher rewards, dividing your masternodes on smaller tiers will cause your reward
to shrink. This will create better buys for CAIx as people will seek to accumulate
enough CAIx for the next tier. Over time, we will eliminate the lower level tiers,
causing a forward moving trend to own higher level tiers, pushing the price higher.

I am sorry you do not understand the math behind this, we are not seeking to create thousands of masternodes, as we are not able to pay dividend  to someone who owns 100 CAIx for example, as people seek to create the 5k masternode the person with the 100 CAIx will get his share by the price rise that process will cause. The creation of a masternode only helps to establish a natural price gain that benefits everyone. And makes distribution of dividend worth a lot more for people creating these nodes. A person holding 100 CAIx might realize a better benefit by the price picking up than the small dividend contribution he will get.

So you are basically admitting that 100 CAIx will not be worth much anytime in the future. Ok, cool no problem with that. However buy telling all the people who own less than 2-3k that they should sell their coins, you create a bigger sell pressure than the buy pressure from people wanting to make a node. Now talk about flawed math...
Why did you assume someone with 3k CAIx would sell his CAIx instead of trying to build his masternode? and as each round dividend distribution comes, more people will be seeking to build one, in reality the demand for CAIx will rise and thus anyone unable to create one will realise his share in the demand rising. Our math is not flawed, you just made an incorrect assumption.

5k out of 1.6 mil is 0.003125%, 20k out of 1.6mil is 0.0125. If we take today's BTC supply it's like asking people to hold 120k BTC for the top tier node or 40k for the lower one.

We have now added a fifth Tier masternode set at 2000 CAIx . I hope this helps. Creating any lower masternodes at this time will dilute the reward.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
Stuhlman, don't get me wrong, I respect your work, but I do believe you picked the wrong numbers for the masternodes. Time will tell I guess.

+1

I own 4800 CAIx and I am in the top 100! the masternode will be held by 5 or 6 peoples !

how do you work that out? There will be loads of nodes...
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Twitter: @FedKassad
Is it just me or this is complete BS? I have been holding CAIx for a long time but this announcement is so fucking stupid. Did you forget this is a 1.6 mil supply coin and that you also have plans of destroying even some of those coins? You want to make a coin that is owned by a hundred of people or what?

Part II: CAIx Masternodes


I need to clarify one thing about our Masternode program, you do not need to own one to benefit.
Some might not be able to afford to create one, but the process of creating them can only increase
the price of CAIx and the benefit will be realized elsewhere...

The first tier of CAIx Masternodes will start at 20000CAIx, second tier will be at 15000CAIx,
third at 10000CAIx, and fourth tier will start at 5000 CAIx.

A masternode is a wallet minting an amount equal or higher to the figures above.
Each masternode will receive a share of our first distribution of dividend.
The Masternodes must be active for 30 days, where screen shots will be taken
and saved for comparison and later distribution on active nodes. This will start
on Sunday the 1st of June and ends on Monday the 30th
of June. At which time the first distribution will commence.

More distributions will be done as our projects make more and more profits and
and a portion is set aside for dividend. Higher tiered masternodes will receive
higher rewards, dividing your masternodes on smaller tiers will cause your reward
to shrink. This will create better buys for CAIx as people will seek to accumulate
enough CAIx for the next tier. Over time, we will eliminate the lower level tiers,
causing a forward moving trend to own higher level tiers, pushing the price higher.

I am sorry you do not understand the math behind this, we are not seeking to create thousands of masternodes, as we are not able to pay dividend  to someone who owns 100 CAIx for example, as people seek to create the 5k masternode the person with the 100 CAIx will get his share by the price rise that process will cause. The creation of a masternode only helps to establish a natural price gain that benefits everyone. And makes distribution of dividend worth a lot more for people creating these nodes. A person holding 100 CAIx might realize a better benefit by the price picking up than the small dividend contribution he will get.

So you are basically admitting that 100 CAIx will not be worth much anytime in the future. Ok, cool no problem with that. However buy telling all the people who own less than 2-3k that they should sell their coins, you create a bigger sell pressure than the buy pressure from people wanting to make a node. Now talk about flawed math...
Why did you assume someone with 3k CAIx would sell his CAIx instead of trying to build his masternode? and as each round dividend distribution comes, more people will be seeking to build one, in reality the demand for CAIx will rise and thus anyone unable to create one will realise his share in the demand rising. Our math is not flawed, you just made an incorrect assumption.

5k out of 1.6 mil is 0.003125%, 20k out of 1.6mil is 0.0125. If we take today's BTC supply it's like asking people to hold 120k BTC for the top tier node or 40k for the lower one.
member
Activity: 162
Merit: 10
Stuhlman, don't get me wrong, I respect your work, but I do believe you picked the wrong numbers for the masternodes. Time will tell I guess.

After some feedback from community: we decided to create a fifth tier
for first distribution, set at 2000CAIx.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Stuhlman, don't get me wrong, I respect your work, but I do believe you picked the wrong numbers for the masternodes. Time will tell I guess.

+1

I own 4800 CAIx and I am in the top 100! the masternodes will be held by 5 or 6 peoples !
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Twitter: @FedKassad
Stuhlman, don't get me wrong, I respect your work, but I do believe you picked the wrong numbers for the masternodes. Time will tell I guess.
legendary
Activity: 1059
Merit: 1020
https://twitter.com/JStuhlman
Is it just me or this is complete BS? I have been holding CAIx for a long time but this announcement is so fucking stupid. Did you forget this is a 1.6 mil supply coin and that you also have plans of destroying even some of those coins? You want to make a coin that is owned by a hundred of people or what?

Part II: CAIx Masternodes


I need to clarify one thing about our Masternode program, you do not need to own one to benefit.
Some might not be able to afford to create one, but the process of creating them can only increase
the price of CAIx and the benefit will be realized elsewhere...

The first tier of CAIx Masternodes will start at 20000CAIx, second tier will be at 15000CAIx,
third at 10000CAIx, and fourth tier will start at 5000 CAIx.

A masternode is a wallet minting an amount equal or higher to the figures above.
Each masternode will receive a share of our first distribution of dividend.
The Masternodes must be active for 30 days, where screen shots will be taken
and saved for comparison and later distribution on active nodes. This will start
on Sunday the 1st of June and ends on Monday the 30th
of June. At which time the first distribution will commence.

More distributions will be done as our projects make more and more profits and
and a portion is set aside for dividend. Higher tiered masternodes will receive
higher rewards, dividing your masternodes on smaller tiers will cause your reward
to shrink. This will create better buys for CAIx as people will seek to accumulate
enough CAIx for the next tier. Over time, we will eliminate the lower level tiers,
causing a forward moving trend to own higher level tiers, pushing the price higher.

I am sorry you do not understand the math behind this, we are not seeking to create thousands of masternodes, as we are not able to pay dividend  to someone who owns 100 CAIx for example, as people seek to create the 5k masternode the person with the 100 CAIx will get his share by the price rise that process will cause. The creation of a masternode only helps to establish a natural price gain that benefits everyone. And makes distribution of dividend worth a lot more for people creating these nodes. A person holding 100 CAIx might realize a better benefit by the price picking up than the small dividend contribution he will get.

So you are basically admitting that 100 CAIx will not be worth much anytime in the future. Ok, cool no problem with that. However buy telling all the people who own less than 2-3k that they should sell their coins, you create a bigger sell pressure than the buy pressure from people wanting to make a node. Now talk about flawed math...
Why did you assume someone with 3k CAIx would sell his CAIx instead of trying to build his masternode? and as each round dividend distribution comes, more people will be seeking to build one, in reality the demand for CAIx will rise and thus anyone unable to create one will realise his share in the demand rising. Our math is not flawed, you just made an incorrect assumption.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
.....wheres the rotation?? ..im disapointed in you   Cry Cry Cry
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Gone......
FUCKING PREMINE SCAMMERS DON'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING IN THE COIN SPECS! FUCK U
i am really suprised you did not alternate different colors

lol im surprised it wasnt a rotating , flashing GIF image.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
FUCKING PREMINE SCAMMERS DON'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING IN THE COIN SPECS! FUCK U
i am really suprised you did not alternate different colors

lol im surprised it wasnt a rotating , flashing GIF image.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Twitter: @FedKassad
Is it just me or this is complete BS? I have been holding CAIx for a long time but this announcement is so fucking stupid. Did you forget this is a 1.6 mil supply coin and that you also have plans of destroying even some of those coins? You want to make a coin that is owned by a hundred of people or what?

Part II: CAIx Masternodes


I need to clarify one thing about our Masternode program, you do not need to own one to benefit.
Some might not be able to afford to create one, but the process of creating them can only increase
the price of CAIx and the benefit will be realized elsewhere...

The first tier of CAIx Masternodes will start at 20000CAIx, second tier will be at 15000CAIx,
third at 10000CAIx, and fourth tier will start at 5000 CAIx.

A masternode is a wallet minting an amount equal or higher to the figures above.
Each masternode will receive a share of our first distribution of dividend.
The Masternodes must be active for 30 days, where screen shots will be taken
and saved for comparison and later distribution on active nodes. This will start
on Sunday the 1st of June and ends on Monday the 30th
of June. At which time the first distribution will commence.

More distributions will be done as our projects make more and more profits and
and a portion is set aside for dividend. Higher tiered masternodes will receive
higher rewards, dividing your masternodes on smaller tiers will cause your reward
to shrink. This will create better buys for CAIx as people will seek to accumulate
enough CAIx for the next tier. Over time, we will eliminate the lower level tiers,
causing a forward moving trend to own higher level tiers, pushing the price higher.

I am sorry you do not understand the math behind this, we are not seeking to create thousands of masternodes, as we are not able to pay dividend  to someone who owns 100 CAIx for example, as people seek to create the 5k masternode the person with the 100 CAIx will get his share by the price rise that process will cause. The creation of a masternode only helps to establish a natural price gain that benefits everyone. And makes distribution of dividend worth a lot more for people creating these nodes. A person holding 100 CAIx might realize a better benefit by the price picking up than the small dividend contribution he will get.

So you are basically admitting that 100 CAIx will not be worth much anytime in the future. Ok, cool no problem with that. However buy telling all the people who own less than 2-3k that they should sell their coins, you create a bigger sell pressure than the buy pressure from people wanting to make a node. Now talk about flawed math...
legendary
Activity: 1059
Merit: 1020
https://twitter.com/JStuhlman
Is it just me or this is complete BS? I have been holding CAIx for a long time but this announcement is so fucking stupid. Did you forget this is a 1.6 mil supply coin and that you also have plans of destroying even some of those coins? You want to make a coin that is owned by a hundred of people or what?

Part II: CAIx Masternodes


I need to clarify one thing about our Masternode program, you do not need to own one to benefit.
Some might not be able to afford to create one, but the process of creating them can only increase
the price of CAIx and the benefit will be realized elsewhere...

The first tier of CAIx Masternodes will start at 20000CAIx, second tier will be at 15000CAIx,
third at 10000CAIx, and fourth tier will start at 5000 CAIx.

A masternode is a wallet minting an amount equal or higher to the figures above.
Each masternode will receive a share of our first distribution of dividend.
The Masternodes must be active for 30 days, where screen shots will be taken
and saved for comparison and later distribution on active nodes. This will start
on Sunday the 1st of June and ends on Monday the 30th
of June. At which time the first distribution will commence.

More distributions will be done as our projects make more and more profits and
and a portion is set aside for dividend. Higher tiered masternodes will receive
higher rewards, dividing your masternodes on smaller tiers will cause your reward
to shrink. This will create better buys for CAIx as people will seek to accumulate
enough CAIx for the next tier. Over time, we will eliminate the lower level tiers,
causing a forward moving trend to own higher level tiers, pushing the price higher.

I am sorry you do not understand the math behind this, we are not seeking to create thousands of masternodes, as we are not able to pay dividend  to someone who owns 100 CAIx for example, as people seek to create the 5k masternode the person with the 100 CAIx will get his share by the price rise that process will cause. The creation of a masternode only helps to establish a natural price gain that benefits everyone. And makes distribution of dividend worth a lot more for people creating these nodes. A person holding 100 CAIx might realize a better benefit by the price picking up than the small dividend contribution he will get.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Twitter: @FedKassad
Now you just need to say that the coin will add anon protocol in the next ANN rofl
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Twitter: @FedKassad

 You want to make a coin that is owned by a hundred of people or what?


..What???...How do you come to that conclusion?

Look at the number of coins he chose for the top tier Masternodes. Please also watch how the market will react on this announcement.
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
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Why the CAI/BTC market is over ?

....please somebody step in and say something before i loose my mind.
GLADLY  GTstyle please ask any questions to quarkkid he only jokes about loosing his mind. In reality his day is not complete unless he answers the same question atleast 10 times in a day. Have a good day  Smiley

LOL
lol i could not help myself had to do it   Wink
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100

 You want to make a coin that is owned by a hundred of people or what?


..What???...How do you come to that conclusion?
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Twitter: @FedKassad
Is it just me or this is complete BS? I have been holding CAIx for a long time but this announcement is so fucking stupid. Did you forget this is a 1.6 mil supply coin and that you also have plans of destroying even some of those coins? You want to make a coin that is owned by a hundred of people or what?

Part II: CAIx Masternodes


I need to clarify one thing about our Masternode program, you do not need to own one to benefit.
Some might not be able to afford to create one, but the process of creating them can only increase
the price of CAIx and the benefit will be realized elsewhere...

The first tier of CAIx Masternodes will start at 20000CAIx, second tier will be at 15000CAIx,
third at 10000CAIx, and fourth tier will start at 5000 CAIx.

A masternode is a wallet minting an amount equal or higher to the figures above.
Each masternode will receive a share of our first distribution of dividend.
The Masternodes must be active for 30 days, where screen shots will be taken
and saved for comparison and later distribution on active nodes. This will start
on Sunday the 1st of June and ends on Monday the 30th
of June. At which time the first distribution will commence.

More distributions will be done as our projects make more and more profits and
and a portion is set aside for dividend. Higher tiered masternodes will receive
higher rewards, dividing your masternodes on smaller tiers will cause your reward
to shrink. This will create better buys for CAIx as people will seek to accumulate
enough CAIx for the next tier. Over time, we will eliminate the lower level tiers,
causing a forward moving trend to own higher level tiers, pushing the price higher.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
@kryptographer
FUCKING PREMINE SCAMMERS DON'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING IN THE COIN SPECS! FUCK U
full member
Activity: 120
Merit: 100
Don't waste your time arguing.  I went around and around on this issue and several others last week, and got nothing but derision and dismissal.  TheStuhlman did offer to exchange my CAI, but I don't think I've received any CAIx yet (I know it will take time) and I've seen no indication from anyone who didn't lose coins that there might have been a better way to handle the transition.  Apparently the devs nailed it on the first try and there is no room for discussion.  All coins transitioning from PoW to PoS in the future should handle it exactly as it was handled here.

By now there should be a standard response - and a way to help those who have genuinely lost out. Attacking everyone who is coming here for help and advice is the wrong thing to do and doesn't reflect well on either the coin or the community. Judging by the number of complainants, this is an issue that needs to be addressed - and the first stage of that is to accept that things went wrong.
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
I know I'm an asshole but I have to admit it gives a sense of satisfaction to see how people complain they weren't given proper warning of the CAIx switch when it was plain as day for a long ass time.  Those people deserve what they get....  Nothing!

Nope - you are an asshole for being so short sighted and not accepting that it is irrelevant whether or not people were aware of the switch. There were more CAI mined than CAIx available - simple logic says that given that fact, some people would get nothing.

Don't waste your time arguing.  I went around and around on this issue and several others last week, and got nothing but derision and dismissal.  TheStuhlman did offer to exchange my CAI, but I don't think I've received any CAIx yet (I know it will take time) and I've seen no indication from anyone who didn't lose coins that there might have been a better way to handle the transition.  Apparently the devs nailed it on the first try and there is no room for discussion.  All coins transitioning from PoW to PoS in the future should handle it exactly as it was handled here.
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