Camouflage bounty manager? - page 5.

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Quote from: Katut Angin on October 16, 2019, 11:41:17 PM

is it possible that the prize manager and the entire project crew including the developer, they work together and deliberately promote fraudulent projects?

I see how easy they are to erase red trust and promote fraudulent projects repeatedly?
Is this what is called a camouflage manager?

Yes but they might not necessarily be independent. I don't think most scam cases where an independent bounty manager who has grown through the ranks of Bitcointalk connived with the developer to scam the cryptocurrency community is easily plausible . What you usually see is a case of the bounty campaign being managed by a member of the team. That's more reason why you should endeavour to participate in bounties hosted by reputable managers like Hhampuz and co. The rest, you can keep an open mind while doing them

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I don’t know for sure, but I think that this is possible, especially if the bounty manager is unknown to anyone. In recent years, bounty managers have been accused of scam many times.

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There were projects that chose to promote their projects on their own instead of hiring a well reputed manager. They were probably cut of budget and they just want to simply manage it on their own because a known campaign manager isn't that cheap.

Because if that reputed manager already smells that there's something fishy with the project, he will not take a 2nd thought of leaving the project. He don't want to cause trouble and put stain to his reputation.

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Quote from: Perfect35 on October 17, 2019, 03:55:25 PM

There are bounty managers that keep promoting scam projects, but at the end, got flagged. Some of them can no longer cope with the system, they left because they have been exposed. The same will happen to others, as their schemes become evident before people. They are mostly concerned about what they want to gain and not because of those who participate in their projects.

Those bounty mangers in most cases are being paid with large sum of bitcoin or ethereum for their services thus they wont bother whether the ICOs they are promoting is a scam or not, non payment of bounties is at the expenses of hunters who in spite of all odds still worked themselves tremendously in a bid to ensuring the success of the coin however their efforts is usually in vain due to bad eggs among cryptos world.

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Quote from: Katut Angin on October 16, 2019, 11:41:17 PM

is it possible that the prize manager and the entire project crew including the developer, they work together and deliberately promote fraudulent projects?

I see how easy they are to erase red trust and promote fraudulent projects repeatedly?
Is this what is called a camouflage manager?

It's 100 percent possible!
There is some bounty campaign that uses their own bitcointalk account and there are some who are buying high-rank account to use on their own project.
I have joined some scam projects and the effort is really a waste.

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There are bounty managers that keep promoting scam projects, but at the end, got flagged. Some of them can no longer cope with the system, they left because they have been exposed. The same will happen to others, as their schemes become evident before people. They are mostly concerned about what they want to gain and not because of those who participate in their projects.

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Quote from: TrevorS on October 17, 2019, 02:41:20 PM

Such a scenario is easily possible. Talking about the Bounty, it makes sense to participate in the projects of only those managers who take different companies and have been on the market for a long time. If you see a project that is new and provides its own manager, it is possible that this manager will be in a team with the developers, or he himself will be one of them. In addition, this is a bad sign meaning that the project does not have money to pay Bounty to the manager and they save.

No it is not easy. OP said that it's easy to erase red trust and hide your identity to promote fraudulent projects. Please explain this to me. Give me an example of red trusted managers who erased their trust and continue to scam people. You can report them in Scam accusations or Reputation if you know they are known scammers.

It's very easy to damage your account on this forum beyond repair.

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Such a scenario is easily possible. Talking about the Bounty, it makes sense to participate in the projects of only those managers who take different companies and have been on the market for a long time. If you see a project that is new and provides its own manager, it is possible that this manager will be in a team with the developers, or he himself will be one of them. In addition, this is a bad sign meaning that the project does not have money to pay Bounty to the manager and they save.

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It is possible. With my experience so far I can tell you there are bounty manager that join dev to promote scam project and in case you dont know, there are caucus everywhere. You will understand what I am saying if you keep on making use of this platform well. Although there are some bounty manager that greedily end up promoting scam project due to offer they receive from dev team. This class of bounty managers is the most common now and I have learn not to trust any bounty manager. irrespective of their reputation.

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that's all possible. not only the team, developers, crew but for the participants involved too, including prize hunters. but I do not know for sure about the agreement, whether intentional or not only those who know. I am a bounty hunter who can only watch that.

with respect to the red trust cannot be erased like a chalk chalkboard, except with evidence. whether it's proof that they have an element of intention or not. In essence, strong evidence will answer that.

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sadly yes, it's possible , they make some agreement and with help fake accounts, bots , they running fake project with fake bounty campaign.
as if everything feels full , both on bounty participant, telegram group, their social media account.
and , well , after sale progress end, they are gone. or if they got caught before end, they running.

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Quote from: taufik123 on October 17, 2019, 12:26:11 PM

Quote from: confreslamp on October 17, 2019, 07:25:05 AM

For sure why not? It is possible that bounty managers know that the project is fraud, but has already received a solid amount of money to promote it. In the most cases, bounty manager would say sorry and move on to next projects.

But there are also Bounty Managers who don't know if the project is a scam. From the beginning it was very solid and paid the Bounty Manager for the first payment, but then when indicated by the SCAM, the bounty manager would immediately stop it, even though the Bounty Manager received more payment. if the Bounty Manager earns red trust, there are indeed mistakes that they don't realize, but instead work together to promote SCAM projects continuously.

But all these are hard to prove though. It's just a classic he said she said unless there is a proof, a screenshot of the convo in telegram for the accusation to be proven.

Until then there will always be doubt that these bounty managers are also involve in the scam project. Some of them have already red trust like sinatrra12. He used to be well liked as far as I know but he must have been a victim as well.

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Yes, there are many bonus managers willing to cheat to make more money. Because of that, I only participate in the bonuses of reputable managers, yahoo62278 and Hhampuz are the 2 best managers I know.

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Quote from: Wintersoldier on October 17, 2019, 12:16:23 PM

This cannot be stopped, if they are talkin in private and having a private transaction basically, there's no one who can stop the manager from managing the scam campaign. What he will do is plain simple, "Even I didn't know," or "I will not knowingly advertise scam projects". In this phrases, he's already safe from bounty hunters and investors that he just committed a fraudulent misrepresentation. Though, the reputation of the manager will be affected by these kind of incidents.

Private conversations can be hide and no one knows what's reality behind. OP's idea is happening in the dark, managers can easily denied that they are working with scam developers as they already assured to have some cut from the runaway funds. There's no obligations for them to admit anything especially if they
are conversing privately. We don't have any assurance to anything so best to continue with doing research and don't stop following what you think is potential
project to participate.

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Quote from: confreslamp on October 17, 2019, 07:25:05 AM

For sure why not? It is possible that bounty managers know that the project is fraud, but has already received a solid amount of money to promote it. In the most cases, bounty manager would say sorry and move on to next projects.

But there are also Bounty Managers who don't know if the project is a scam. From the beginning it was very solid and paid the Bounty Manager for the first payment, but then when indicated by the SCAM, the bounty manager would immediately stop it, even though the Bounty Manager received more payment. if the Bounty Manager earns red trust, there are indeed mistakes that they don't realize, but instead work together to promote SCAM projects continuously.

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Quote from: Katut Angin on October 16, 2019, 11:41:17 PM

is it possible that the prize manager and the entire project crew including the developer, they work together and deliberately promote fraudulent projects?

I see how easy they are to erase red trust and promote fraudulent projects repeatedly?
Is this what is called a camouflage manager?

Trusts can't be erased,it can be only removed by the person who left on their profile or the team may create new account for every new scam projects.

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Quote from: Katut Angin on October 16, 2019, 11:41:17 PM

is it possible that the prize manager and the entire project crew including the developer, they work together and deliberately promote fraudulent projects?

I see how easy they are to erase red trust and promote fraudulent projects repeatedly?
Is this what is called a camouflage manager?

There were many fraudulent campaign manager who intentionally made profit off scams. They were given the red trust they deserved. They knowingly were involved in scams.
There were also many of those that were not intentionally involved in scamming users but did promoted scams and got negative trust.
The negative trust game started conflict between the moderators leading to neutral trust to all of them.
And now it's upto users to identify the good managers and the bad managers and decide which projects or bounties are good on their own.

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This cannot be stopped, if they are talkin in private and having a private transaction basically, there's no one who can stop the manager from managing the scam campaign. What he will do is plain simple, "Even I didn't know," or "I will not knowingly advertise scam projects". In this phrases, he's already safe from bounty hunters and investors that he just committed a fraudulent misrepresentation. Though, the reputation of the manager will be affected by these kind of incidents.

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I have seen trusted legendary managers run scam projects, either because he were deceived by the project developer or did not do a research about the projects he was going to promote. if he is caught run a scam project and has been warned by the community and he does not care , he will be given a red trust. it's hard to get rid of red trust if you don't have the right reason, so red trust isn't a game.

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Quote from: barnes13 on October 17, 2019, 07:55:29 AM

I think yes, but not many like that. Because I looked at the Services Board they made their own service announcements and in my opinion because they did this meant they were very serious about building a reputation on this forum. However, there are some managers who do not select and review their clients first, this is what causes the bounty manager to lose confidence. But this happened accidentally and purely because of the negligence of the bounty manager, not because he intended to commit fraud with his client.

yes I also agree with you, because being a bounty manager must be fully responsible for all the risks as well. so red trust is not an easy game, it's very risky for managers if they really intentionally promote fraud projects. but I am sure if the bounty manager is responsible it will not promote such a project.

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