Can a member post in multiple local board?

eaLiTy

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 09, 2020, 10:50:04 AM

Months ago, in 2018 or 2019, one forum member asked that will his posts be deleted or he get banned if he makes posts in French local board just as to practice his French-learning process. He was learning French, I meant. I remembered Halab said it is fine if his posts are understandable somewhat.

I can not find that topic but hope if Halab see this post, he can help to spot it.

If you want the quotes, here is the quote from theymos regarding posting in local section and how rules are enforced.

Quote from: theymos on March 30, 2020, 03:27:27 PM

The local sections are primarily divisions based on language. The moderators of each local section are allowed to set different standards for how fluent your posts have to be, but you should never be excluded based on residency/ethnicity/nationality.

Here is the quote from Halab regarding how he will be enforcing things in his local board.

Quote from: Halab on March 31, 2020, 05:44:52 AM

Yes, red tags were generously given in the french section for very bad translations of ANNs when there was no moderator. Now it's easier, I delete

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You can come and discuss or ask questions in the french section, it's not a big problem if you use Google Translate. But, if you come to make your posts for your signature campaign, it's going to be more complicated.

tranthidung

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Google translate can help, sure and I see this tool is improved a lot than 2 or 3 years ago. Nowadays, it translates smoothly and in some context, some phrase, the translation is good enough to understand.
Fundamentally, posts if are released in very short can bring troubles to posters (burst-posting). Except it is for topic creators.
Quality of the post: if the quality is zero or very low, there is unnecessary to spread it around multiple boards. Such efforts are considered as spamming or shilling projects.
Repitition: If multi accounts are detected to do the same post contents over many local boards. I guess, no matter the content is -- but I believe quality is very low, ban hammer will be used
Intention when translate original posts to local languages. You can link it with PMs. If PMs are used to advertise your services or unsolicited PMs, the sender can get troubles (temp ban) if receivers report it to moderators. Even the ban is applied, the ban-time will be different (the more PMs or the intensity -- same PMs within shorter period, can cause longer ban-time)
Same as plagiarism. If intention stays behind plagiarism is bad, no second chance

There are multiple things will be considered by moderators.

References
Unsolicited PMs
Sorry BitcoinFX, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

29. Sending unsolicited PMs, including but not limited to advertising and flood, is not allowed.

Quote from: theymos on September 22, 2019, 07:42:51 AM

You sent over 100 PMs with the same format: clear unsolicited bulk PMs. 4 people reported it, making it unwanted & unsolicited bulk PMs = spam. Most others would've been banned much longer.

Plagiarism

Quote from: theymos on November 17, 2018, 01:49:10 PM

Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.)

Posts in local boards while language proficiency is not good enough
Months ago, in 2018 or 2019, one forum member asked that will his posts be deleted or he get banned if he makes posts in French local board just as to practice his French-learning process. He was learning French, I meant. I remembered Halab said it is fine if his posts are understandable somewhat.

I can not find that topic but hope if Halab see this post, he can help to spot it.

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Quote from: btc_angela on December 09, 2020, 04:20:17 AM

In any case, this is in the tray area, @fillippone many posts have been translated to local boards and he himself has replied to it using Google translate. And as @Csmiami, there should be valid reasons to it this tool.

Hi,
It is true I used Google Translate to post in different local boards.
I did it so because I was posting follow ups to my translated posts as per my transaction project.

Help me translate my best posts in your Local Board

I used GoogleTranslate to post in local board language, as an act of courtesy. Sometimes the local moderator deleted my post, sometimes he didn’t.

Using GT is not against any official forum rules (of course we are not considering paid services here), and it is down di single board moderator judgement.
In addition to this, bear in mind that GT don’t provide the same accuracy of services for all the languages: in one language it can have good results, while on other it can lead to not acceptable translations.

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In any case, this is in the tray area, @fillippone many posts have been translated to local boards and he himself has replied to it using Google translate. And as @Csmiami, there should be valid reasons to it this tool.

But with this one, it is obvious that he is shilling about a certain platform and project and I would say that he is not a native speaker of the languages he posted.

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If we talk about this case, seems that user break rules. His posts looks like auto-translate spam.
But in general, it's nothing wrong to post in multiple local boards. It's not something rare and unique when people know more than one foreign language.

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Quote from: TalkStar on December 08, 2020, 12:13:06 PM

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The intention of the post is also important. If by any chance you are congratulated in a language that you don't know, and still want to thank the ones congratulating you (for whatever the reasons), it'd be a "valid" or "legit" reason to use a translation tool.

If you speak another language but struggle in a certain one, it may also be a reason to check your posts on a translation tool, or take some sentences you otherwise wouldn't know how to say from there.

But the moment a post is money-incentivized, no mercy shall be showed on the translator. It's plain spam, or even a scam if the poster is getting paid for such a "translation".

I've recently been rather vocal about this issue, as I caught a "translator" had been using google translate for all his works since 2016, even if he was a native speaker of the language... I don't mean to hijhack the thread, so I invite you all to check it in the reputation board (or here). From there though, I'm glad that the local mods that shared their opinions had the same I did in mind; the rule should be strictly enforced, but there are some situations in which it isn't necessary/could be overlooked.

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I think member can post in multiple local boards if he can speak that languages, but using bad machine translation is not allowed.
I don't think RomanychWantsCrypto speaks all this languages like Chinese, Korean, Indian and I would report his posts or let local members confirm and report his posts.

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If anyone is making post in different language without using translation tools then i don't think its gonna be a big issue for him. Important thing is whether he is using google translation for the same post or not. After seeing a post like this users or that local board can easily detect that he wrote it himself or not.

Whenever it looks to you that someone is making the same post in different local boards by using translation tools just use the report button a let moderators handle it from their end. From my personal experience I can say that few month earlier someone asked my permission to publish one of my thread to their local board and I gave permission to him to do that. As far as I know he took my permission to keep his post out of plagiarism.

hugeblack

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The reason for publishing in local boards is that their staff does not take many decisions, and some mods are inactive, so it is easy to spam there.

you can find someone who speaks three, four, or five languages, but more than that, the matter needs scrutiny.
There are some rules that auto translators follow but their translation easy to discove.
unfortunately, most of them require a person who is fluent in the basics of the language to be sure of it.

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That's the same story as this account: mrquackquack, almost all the local councils he posts, however, there's not much can do but report them.

OP, if @RomanychWantsCrypto, what he did cause the site to be suspicious just report it, the mod will clarify your report.
The local mod will clean it up.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 08, 2020, 10:12:19 AM

Although I am not an expert, it's pretty sure that users using Google translate which is against forum rules. On the other hand, the user promoting his apps via posting on several local boards. I am not considering this as a announce thread translation. But, I can say, if a user expert in multiple languages then he should allow posting on any section. I don't see any forum rules about it and nothing wrong in my opinion. Most probably you can report to moderators in such a case, you may write on comment section that user advertising his website.

They are. I've looked up on the link and it was almost the same as the other language, and was clearly translated by Google with no grammar issues (as some languages often tend to be far different on context based translation). Five languages still counts to be an ability by many Polyglots, but it is a rare case here in the forum yet one of sensitive topics, as we all are anonymous and doesn't really know the real intellect of each other. But the accused user seems to be using translators because of the build of those languages were quite similar to each other.

Quote from: eaLiTy on December 08, 2020, 10:37:07 AM

This is against the rule

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

There is no way someone understands Bengali, Korean, Mandarin and Ukrainian. Many people knows multiple languages and they are usually from the same lineage of languages. But Bengali, Korean and Ukrainian belong to different lineage altogether.

Apparently, you can be knowledgeable of different families of language. One is called an Unfocused Polyglot, which simply means knowing languages from various unconnected countries.

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This is against the rule

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

There is no way someone understands Bengali, Korean, Mandarin and Ukrainian. Many people knows multiple languages and they are usually from the same lineage of languages. But Bengali, Korean and Ukrainian belong to different lineage altogether.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on December 08, 2020, 11:08:32 AM

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Apparently, you can be knowledgeable of different families of language. One is called an Unfocused Polyglot, which simply means knowing languages from various unconnected countries.

Sure, my mother tongue belongs to Dravidian family of languages and in that i am fluent in Malayalam and Tamil (is known as the oldest language in the world) and i understand Telugu and in Indo Aryan families of language i am fluent in Hindi and i understand Punjabi and Gujarati and bits and peaces of other languages as well and it is a common theme in my country as everyone speaks multiple languages.

What i tried to say earlier is that, no one can be fluent in Bengali, Korean, Mandarin and Ukrainian until you take an effort to learn those languages which is highly unlikely because you learn a language if you think it will be useful to your career and i learned multiple languages by spending my life in different parts of the world and communicating with people from different regions and it took decades.

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Although I am not an expert, it's pretty sure that users using Google translate which is against forum rules. On the other hand, the user promoting his apps via posting on several local boards. I am not considering this as a announce thread translation. But, I can say, if a user expert in multiple languages then he should allow posting on any section. I don't see any forum rules about it and nothing wrong in my opinion. Most probably you can report to moderators in such a case, you may write on comment section that user advertising his website.

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I think it will not be a big problem to press the "inform moderator" button
If a duplicate theme is found, all the second ones will simply be deleted.

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It’s kind of the exception of the rule defined later part. The user is actually posting kind of ANN of their project (it that airdrop) and posting in different languages, this is allowed according to the rules as they are posting in the local languages but-
The user has certainly used Google Translation (I have read the Bengali version and it is 100% sure that they have used automated translation) which is against the forum rules.

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I find your lack of faith in Bitcoin disturbing.

Yes, in general, for me, a user can post on several local sections. Although for this user, I deleted his post in the french section, because his post did not say anything more than this one. It was a duplicate/spam, so I deleted it.
Check if in the local sections you quoted, there isn't another post of the same type. And then you can report it as duplicate/spam.

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It can break rule. One more possible thing that poster breaks is use automated translator to make those topics.

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Can a member post in multiple local board?
Yes, if they know the language, why not?

Can a member post automated translations and spam local boards?
No, this is against forum rules.

I think this guy fits into second category.

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As far as I know the same post cannot be made on multiple board.

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting topics in the local language boards if they're translated and re-posting marketplace topics in the altcoin boards if altcoins are accepted).

I recently saw a member posting the same thing on different local boards. He is posting a website link and says if you register there and pass kyc, you can get up to 200 USDT.

User profile: RomanychWantsCrypto

Post link in Bangladeshi local board: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bengali-631891

Post link in Korean local board: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55773371

Post link in Chinese local board: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55772837

Post link in Ukrainian local board: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ukrainian-236982

He has also done tecra related posts on more local boards.

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