Can a Stock Market Crash affect Bitcoin?

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Quote from: Averim on February 16, 2020, 01:00:14 PM

Quote from: Naida_BR on August 15, 2019, 03:12:38 AM

I was thinking that investors would think the cryptocurrency market as an alternative to traditional investment products.
Having said that, my point was that those two markets have a reverse impact.

If the stock market goes down, then investors would start searching for alternative (more profitable) investments and turn to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
The last days stock market crash seems that lead the market cap of the crypto market down.

Does the Stock Market has impact over the Bitcoin price?

There is no relation between the two markets. Considering the fact that many professional speculators and investors trade bitcoin in secret (no mather the evolution of stock market) they will never go public to admit bitcoin as good alternative of the stock market.

Undoubtedly, none of the players in the stock market will officially and publicly recognize the benefits of cryptocurrency and the benefits of investing in bitcoin, because it will undermine their own activities in the stock market, as well as the support of a practically competing party, because such statements always attract new investments in the cryptocurrency market. But since there are enough anonymous users among Bitcoin owners, I’m sure that all these stock market players have a certain amount of cryptocurrency in their secret pockets, including bitcoin. Of course, we will not talk about complete skeptics, but a significant part of the progressive public understands the possibility of the superiority of the cryptocurrency market during the fall of the stock market.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 15, 2019, 03:12:38 AM

I was thinking that investors would think the cryptocurrency market as an alternative to traditional investment products.
Having said that, my point was that those two markets have a reverse impact.

If the stock market goes down, then investors would start searching for alternative (more profitable) investments and turn to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
The last days stock market crash seems that lead the market cap of the crypto market down.

Does the Stock Market has impact over the Bitcoin price?

There is no relation between the two markets. Considering the fact that many professional speculators and investors trade bitcoin in secret (no mather the evolution of stock market) they will never go public to admit bitcoin as good alternative of the stock market.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 15, 2019, 03:12:38 AM

I was thinking that investors would think the cryptocurrency market as an alternative to traditional investment products.
Having said that, my point was that those two markets have a reverse impact.

If the stock market goes down, then investors would start searching for alternative (more profitable) investments and turn to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
The last days stock market crash seems that lead the market cap of the crypto market down.

Does the Stock Market has impact over the Bitcoin price?

Maybe this seems logical, of course if we put ourselves to the shoes of investor we would probably move our investment into another platform to save it. For example, if we have gold and the market will be down we can move it to bitcoin or other crypto to save it. It was common sense.

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Quote from: strunberg on February 15, 2020, 03:58:00 AM

Quote from: Zemomtum on February 12, 2020, 07:46:10 PM

Why do you think so? Despite talking about cryptocurrencies as an “alternative defensive asset,” in fact they are speculative assets on 95-99%. Accordingly, with the collapse of the fundamentals (stock market), the fall in the cryptocurrency market will be deeper.
The only phase of the crisis when the crypto will possibly grow is the initial one. It seems to me that what is happening in China is the beginning of a big crisis. And crypto, as you see, is growing.

i dont think so about crash in stock market will have same impact to cryptocurrency market too. in my opinion based on intermarket analisys , cryptocurrency will be alternative portofolio to switch their money to avoid big losses in stock market. if we see on news about US and Iraq in few weeks ago, many analisys said it will have bad impact to to finance market due the macro economic condition when it happen ww3. and bitcoin price rise alot till now on. and china condition show us second proved that bitcoin and cryptocurrency good as alternative portofolio for investors while economic has no certainity.

I agree with you, the theory that people often use is that the collapse of the stock market will create the migration trend of investors there, these investors will shift their investment into potential or stable assets such as gold and bitcoin but the probability for this theory is too low. Because the structure of the stock market is quite large, it has a combination of countries around the world, migration only occurs unless there are global crises, but this seems to have been impossible since many years, the stock market was very stable, up and down continuously to help investors stay longer

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Quote from: Zemomtum on February 12, 2020, 07:46:10 PM

If the stock market crash, that will be a bull signal indicator for the digital asset class and the effect will be a positive one. Nevertheless, I can foresee a good outlook for blockchain project this year

You are right the general phenomenon is that whenever the stock market crashes the money will flow into other asset classes like gold and real estate. As the BTC is also seen as a digital gold even if there are no fresh investments people in crypto who invested in stocks might think about investing more into cryptos which will help in price rise

Yes you are right investing in crypto will increase prices As more investments are made, the demand will increase and the price of Bitcoin will increase Blockchain is used with Bitcoin through mining to influence stock market crunch Bitcoin. The stock market however will continue to rise in bitcoin prices.

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Quote from: strunberg on February 15, 2020, 03:58:00 AM

Quote from: Zemomtum on February 12, 2020, 07:46:10 PM

Why do you think so? Despite talking about cryptocurrencies as an “alternative defensive asset,” in fact they are speculative assets on 95-99%. Accordingly, with the collapse of the fundamentals (stock market), the fall in the cryptocurrency market will be deeper.
The only phase of the crisis when the crypto will possibly grow is the initial one. It seems to me that what is happening in China is the beginning of a big crisis. And crypto, as you see, is growing.

i dont think so about crash in stock market will have same impact to cryptocurrency market too. in my opinion based on intermarket analisys , cryptocurrency will be alternative portofolio to switch their money to avoid big losses in stock market. if we see on news about US and Iraq in few weeks ago, many analisys said it will have bad impact to to finance market due the macro economic condition when it happen ww3. and bitcoin price rise alot till now on. and china condition show us second proved that bitcoin and cryptocurrency good as alternative portofolio for investors while economic has no certainity.

Currently in China cryptocurrency really in demand right now. I think this is due to the epidemic. Many cities are quarantined and residents are restricted in their right to move. The Chinese government is pouring billions of yuan into the financial sector to avoid a fall. And all this leads to a greater demand for cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: Zemomtum on February 12, 2020, 07:46:10 PM

Why do you think so? Despite talking about cryptocurrencies as an “alternative defensive asset,” in fact they are speculative assets on 95-99%. Accordingly, with the collapse of the fundamentals (stock market), the fall in the cryptocurrency market will be deeper.
The only phase of the crisis when the crypto will possibly grow is the initial one. It seems to me that what is happening in China is the beginning of a big crisis. And crypto, as you see, is growing.

i dont think so about crash in stock market will have same impact to cryptocurrency market too. in my opinion based on intermarket analisys , cryptocurrency will be alternative portofolio to switch their money to avoid big losses in stock market. if we see on news about US and Iraq in few weeks ago, many analisys said it will have bad impact to to finance market due the macro economic condition when it happen ww3. and bitcoin price rise alot till now on. and china condition show us second proved that bitcoin and cryptocurrency good as alternative portofolio for investors while economic has no certainity.

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Quote from: desticy on February 12, 2020, 06:59:09 PM

How many people do you think are ready to take such risks to save the value of their assets?

only few of course. If big whales of stock market can't survive the crisis they are facing in their world then what more here in the crypto world where everything is in greater risk, so imagine what even more for small time investors only. Crypto is not for the weak hearted because here it can be "all or nothung" that's why I understand until now the adoption of it is still slow. Nonetheless, I'm hoping that our community will grow further soon despite of its disadvantages

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Quote from: Zemomtum on February 12, 2020, 07:46:10 PM

If the stock market crash, that will be a bull signal indicator for the digital asset class and the effect will be a positive one. Nevertheless, I can foresee a good outlook for blockchain project this year

Why do you think so? Despite talking about cryptocurrencies as an “alternative defensive asset,” in fact they are speculative assets on 95-99%. Accordingly, with the collapse of the fundamentals (stock market), the fall in the cryptocurrency market will be deeper.
The only phase of the crisis when the crypto will possibly grow is the initial one. It seems to me that what is happening in China is the beginning of a big crisis. And crypto, as you see, is growing.

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Quote from: Zemomtum on February 12, 2020, 07:46:10 PM

If the stock market crash, that will be a bull signal indicator for the digital asset class and the effect will be a positive one. Nevertheless, I can foresee a good outlook for blockchain project this year

You are right the general phenomenon is that whenever the stock market crashes the money will flow into other asset classes like gold and real estate. As the BTC is also seen as a digital gold even if there are no fresh investments people in crypto who invested in stocks might think about investing more into cryptos which will help in price rise

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If the stock market crash, that will be a bull signal indicator for the digital asset class and the effect will be a positive one. Nevertheless, I can foresee a good outlook for blockchain project this year

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Quote from: Sadlife on February 06, 2020, 09:42:01 AM

Yes it seems that people now is choosing bitcoin as an alternative storage for their assets incase some global crisis might happen like wars, deadly diseases or a financial crisis.

It seem that more and more people are starting to recognize, crypto currency along with its revolutionary features and benefits as Bitcoin became the top investment of the decade.

A moot point. I see no evidence that many people choose Bitcoin as a place to store their assets. After all, Bitcoin itself has recently shown extreme instability.
People invested in it in the hope that the value of their assets will continue or increase, but they see the very opposite side.

Although now we can say that those people who bought bitcoin for $ 10,000 can close transactions to zero, but this does not negate the fact that their assets, provided that they were not sold, were frozen for more than two years.

How many people do you think are ready to take such risks to save the value of their assets?

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It is normal that investors will probably gonna look for another investment. They are scared that if that dump continuous, they might lose their money. The only thing that they do is to withdraw their investment when the price drops and invest it on another company for them to be able to earn a good amount of money.

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Quote from: Saisher on February 07, 2020, 11:37:28 AM

Quote from: Naida_BR on August 15, 2019, 03:12:38 AM

I was thinking that investors would think the cryptocurrency market as an alternative to traditional investment products.
Having said that, my point was that those two markets have a reverse impact.

If the stock market goes down, then investors would start searching for alternative (more profitable) investments and turn to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
The last days stock market crash seems that lead the market cap of the crypto market down.

Does the Stock Market has impact over the Bitcoin price?

It can affect positively, in a sense that investors will turn to Cryptocurrency for a better alternative I think these stocks investors are fully much aware of Cryptocurrency trading and most of them already have invested in Cryptocurrency, we can say that they will turn majority of their portfolio in Cryptocurrency.

especially with low prices, of course, the more discounts you will get. With the sluggish stock market, there will certainly be more and more investors looking for opportunities to keep making a profit, so crypto can be chosen, especially bitcoin which has good trends for the long term.

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Quote from: Philipma1957cellphone on February 06, 2020, 10:03:09 AM

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on August 15, 2019, 02:46:58 PM

We haven't had a really big crash since Bitcoin's inception (it itself is in response to one) so things could turn up different from what we expect. Most people here agree that investors might buy it up in an attempt to try to keep their money's value and that's a very logical thing to do.

But let's also not discount the possibility that some people would be pulling out their money for various reasons. For one, people would need more cash during such events and people who don't have much left might dip into their crypto savings.

This was the first post to mention that we have not had a meltdown in the market since 2008 or pre btc.

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Do you think this is an occasion for optimism regarding bitcoin? To be honest, I don’t think so. In fact, the whole history of bitcoin has occurred in a growing market and in the absence of global crises. Everyone says that bitcoin is a defensive asset, but is impossible to predict how the price of bitcoin will behave in a real global economic crisis. Temporary drawdowns can be very deep. Plus, regulators taking advantage of the crisis can tighten legislation on cryptocurrencies or even ban them.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 15, 2019, 03:12:38 AM

I was thinking that investors would think the cryptocurrency market as an alternative to traditional investment products.
Having said that, my point was that those two markets have a reverse impact.

If the stock market goes down, then investors would start searching for alternative (more profitable) investments and turn to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
The last days stock market crash seems that lead the market cap of the crypto market down.

Does the Stock Market has impact over the Bitcoin price?

It can affect positively, in a sense that investors will turn to Cryptocurrency for a better alternative I think these stocks investors are fully much aware of Cryptocurrency trading and most of them already have invested in Cryptocurrency, we can say that they will turn majority of their portfolio in Cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: Sadlife on February 06, 2020, 09:42:01 AM

Yes it seems that people now is choosing bitcoin as an alternative storage for their assets incase some global crisis might happen like wars, deadly diseases or a financial crisis.

This is a new market and with time we are seeing new investors coming into the market and the major difference will happen when institutional investors will start investing in the market and for a huge rally we need these huge institutional investors but if there is a global crisis then all the markets will be affected, but if there is a economical meltdown then people might invest in BTCitcoin and gold but we are yet to see the evidence whether these investors will flock into the BTCitcoin market when there is a global crisis.

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Yes, it can, it can make the bitcoin market positive. even though it is not direct, but when the stock market crashes, people might consider switching their investment to crypto and that can make the crypto market increase.

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It will probably affect the Bitcoin when stock market crashes because of the fear of the people. Many people are afraid to lose all of their investment that is why they will get or convert all their bitcoins into fiat to atleast have an assurance that it will not burn their funds. With this massive amount of people converting their btc into fiat, it makes bitcoin price decrease even more. Having the situation said, this really affect the bitcoin in general.

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Quote from: leader2704 on August 15, 2019, 04:11:15 AM

Quote from: Naida_BR on August 15, 2019, 03:12:38 AM

I was thinking that investors would think the cryptocurrency market as an alternative to traditional investment products.
Having said that, my point was that those two markets have a reverse impact.

If the stock market goes down, then investors would start searching for alternative (more profitable) investments and turn to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
The last days stock market crash seems that lead the market cap of the crypto market down.

Does the Stock Market has impact over the Bitcoin price?

I think they will prefer buying gold to bitcoin since gold is a more secured collateral when stock market crashed, but, who knows ?!?

I think the market for gold and Bitcoin is the same Nobody's value is stable In time both get out. But the stock market crash can certainly affect Bitcoin as it will increase the investment of Bitcoin and now if Bitcoin is bought and kept in stock a lot of profit can be made upfront.

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