Can America end the war in Ukraine?? - page 3.

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Quote from: Zlantann on May 01, 2022, 11:48:21 PM

The only way America can help end this war is through dialogue. America and its allies should adopt diplomacy to end this war.

Diplomacy with Russia? I'd like to remind you that we're talking about a country that claimed it would not attack Ukraine and is performing military exercise.
A country that denied shooting down Malaysian jet, even though it was proven that they did.
A country that murdered civilians and buried them in mass graves.
A country that agreed to form humanitarian corridors and then bombed them and covered with artillery fire.
Also, a country that planted spies in their embassies and then felt insulted when numerous countries kicked them out.

Diplomacy has officially failed.

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Economically Russia is prepared for this war.

Sure, for 6 months to a year. We'll see what happens after that. Their stock market is already in its worst condition ever and Nord Stream 2 went bankrupt.

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Russian economy is to a large extent immune to economic sanctions.

I guess that's why they have no more paper so jars of mayo have no labels anymore and Lada car manufacturer stopped production due to lack of parts.
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The only way America can help end this war is through dialogue. America and its allies should adopt diplomacy to end this war. Economically Russia is prepared for this war. Russian economy is to a large extent immune to economic sanctions. Russia can invade sanctions through the help of "friendly nations" like China, Hungary, India, North Korea, South Africa, Syria, etc.. Also, most European countries still depends on Russia for oil and gas, that means Russia would keep getting finance to fund the war. Militarily, Russia can boasts of modern sophisticated armoury that can match the military might of US and her allies. Military aid to Ukraine would only cause more destruction and death.

Hence, economic sanctions and military assistance to Ukraine would never stop Russia from continuing the war. If America wants to end this war, diplomacy and compromise would play a leading role in the quest for peace and stability in Ukraine.

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Quote from: mindrust on May 01, 2022, 09:52:06 PM

Not really. As the President of USA said numerous times, Russia is a nuclear power and as long as they don’t attack a NATO country, it is not the US’ business. A hot war between the US and Russia would bring the end of the world.

Russia will also not attack NATO countries, they've not done so. but the longer this war takes place, Russia may also just build more military structures around Ukraine. the black sea will be surrounded by Putin's bunker and in the long years, EU is just giving him the way to colonize Ukraine which is the strategic location important for trade in this part of EU.

Ukraine is like the kid is in the middle of a big fight between two bullies. tangled in this mess because the two bullies want his candy. the kid can't get away because the two holds him while both bullies throw punches at him.

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Not really. As the President of USA said numerous times, Russia is a nuclear power and as long as they don’t attack a NATO country, it is not the US’ business. A hot war between the US and Russia would bring the end of the world.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 01, 2022, 06:35:20 PM

Can America end the war in Ukraine??

Since the US started the war, why would they want to stop it? The idea of bringing Ukraine into NATO.

Putin's people are right in there with him. The US could have stopped the war before it became as big and wide-spread as it is right now, but Russia is pushing it, now. The US may no longer have the ability to stop it. Personally, I don't think that the US wants to stop it.

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my employer is from Russia and he also thinks it's not going to stop until Ukraine surrenders. putin tells the world not to give arms to ukraine anymore because it's just going to become worse. on the other hand, US government sends arms through poland. that's the problem in this situation because they're not syncing.

if ukraine put down its arms and asks peace talks to end this war, they could end this war by themselves without having anyone behind them. if the world is suffering from food shortage and gas, particularly in the part of cold europe, the more Ukrainians suffer as there is war.

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Can America end the war in Ukraine??

Since the US started the war, why would they want to stop it? The idea of bringing Ukraine into NATO.

Putin's people are right in there with him. The US could have stopped the war before it became as big and wide-spread as it is right now, but Russia is pushing it, now. The US may no longer have the ability to stop it. Personally, I don't think that the US wants to stop it.

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Do you think America is after ending the war in Ukraine? No America can not end the war but can only trigger it to the extreme. The Russians know that America is NATO and the reason why the war started is because Putin see NATO as it enemy and having a NATO country close to it border make them unsafe. This is why Putin have to attack Ukraine since Ukraine is part of NATO. This war will continue until Putin sees good reason to end the war.

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The American government really can, there are quite a lot of ways available to really end the war if they really wanted to. The thing is, anither variable that the American government has to consider are the sacrifices they have to make to end this war; whther it is worth all the trouble and will it benefit them in the future. Let's face it, these big countries have egos that are as big as their reputation and ranking. No one would compromise for a losing deal.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on May 01, 2022, 05:09:01 AM

american left doesn't want the war to end they want it to be bloody and long, they want to destroy weaken and destroy russia at all costs,

its basically neonazi ideology again what we are withnessing today but this time driven by leftists and woke zionist jews

What I understand is that in a situation like this there will always be misinformation and misconception but i don't know the reason why you see the US leaving Ukraine as a way of them not wanting the war to end when we know that Putin wont stops either if the Ukrainian government don't comply to the condition he gave them. Therefore, the US government wants the two to settle their differences thats why they step back and help Ukraine the way they can.

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american left doesn't want the war to end they want it to be bloody and long, they want to destroy weaken and destroy russia at all costs,

its basically neonazi ideology again what we are withnessing today but this time driven by leftists and woke zionist jews

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Definitely not, America has no intention of actually stopping the war. They would rather try to find new ways of profiting from the war. As it is clear is from the latest report of the The Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA), US has continued to be a large importer of fossil fuels from Russia. America has been following the age old empire's principle of divide and rule and try to weaken both Ukraine and Russia while formulating new methods of profiteering from the war.

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guaranteed there is so much support for Ukraine, none of them got there the ground zero because if they do show there, Putin will send his weapons of mass destruction to shoot a single outsider's vehicle. it will sound overkill but they can justify this because he had sent warnings already live on TV. while they are not yet doing that, NATO countries will have to be careful not to provoke them from doing it.

i'm not sure if he can get west but he did get the eastern part of Ukraine.

Putin has not even received the eastern part and will not receive it, a dick in the ass, that's what he will get!

Who knows where his asshole has been? I don't think you will find many volunteers who would be willing to risk their dicks for this special operation.

I am sure you'd find millions who would gladly put his head on a pike.

like it or not, he had already grabbed part of the Crimea back in 2014 as far as i know. there were commotions in that region when Putin started invading it. i know he is not as good as we think. he could be the craziest bastard on earth but truth is that they are there to stay as much BTC is here to stay.

in a few years, maybe 10 years from now, we will all forget this war and get used to Putin owning that region of Ukraine as much as we got used to seeing Pakistan not part of India anymore after Gandi break it away. unless someone can actually kick Putin out there. but WHO?

The people of Ukraine will throw out Putin and his entire wild horde.
In this war, Ukraine will definitely win.

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Quote from: electronicash on April 30, 2022, 10:28:03 AM

guaranteed there is so much support for Ukraine, none of them got there the ground zero because if they do show there, Putin will send his weapons of mass destruction to shoot a single outsider's vehicle. it will sound overkill but they can justify this because he had sent warnings already live on TV. while they are not yet doing that, NATO countries will have to be careful not to provoke them from doing it.

i'm not sure if he can get west but he did get the eastern part of Ukraine.

Putin has not even received the eastern part and will not receive it, a dick in the ass, that's what he will get!

Who knows where his asshole has been? I don't think you will find many volunteers who would be willing to risk their dicks for this special operation.

I am sure you'd find millions who would gladly put his head on a pike.

like it or not, he had already grabbed part of the Crimea back in 2014 as far as i know. there were commotions in that region when Putin started invading it. i know he is not as good as we think. he could be the craziest bastard on earth but truth is that they are there to stay as much BTC is here to stay.

in a few years, maybe 10 years from now, we will all forget this war and get used to Putin owning that region of Ukraine as much as we got used to seeing Pakistan not part of India anymore after Gandi break it away. unless someone can actually kick Putin out there. but WHO?

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Quote from: electronicash on April 30, 2022, 10:28:03 AM

guaranteed there is so much support for Ukraine, none of them got there the ground zero because if they do show there, Putin will send his weapons of mass destruction to shoot a single outsider's vehicle. it will sound overkill but they can justify this because he had sent warnings already live on TV. while they are not yet doing that, NATO countries will have to be careful not to provoke them from doing it.

i'm not sure if he can get west but he did get the eastern part of Ukraine.

Putin has not even received the eastern part and will not receive it, a dick in the ass, that's what he will get!

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Quote from: inthelongrun on April 29, 2022, 01:46:34 AM

Quote from: electronicash on April 28, 2022, 08:31:16 PM

just yesterday Putin warns other countries to stay away from this war. he is not bluffing with this. America can stop the war, there is just a price for it. Ukraine can stop the war too and well, for a price too.

Personally, if you are Ukraine. Would you allow peace at the price of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk and the Mariupol area that connects Crimea to Donetsk?

Quote from: electronicash on April 28, 2022, 08:31:16 PM

Poland may try. there was news yesterday that they are going to reunite with what's left of Ukraine which could be a solution and west Ukraine can be Putin's profit for his war. this could be an alternative bargain or it could get worse when Putin takes Poland as well.

I do not see this happening. And do you really believe that Russia can occupy western Ukraine too? I even think Russia is not controlling western Ukraine's air zones anymore. There's a reason why Russian army withdrew its siege on Kyiv and focused its attention on the eastern side near Mariupol. Only Ukraine and Putin can stop this war. The west cannot just bargain anything without Ukraine's approval. And I doubt NATO countries are scared of Russia. Stoltenberg even boldy suggested a quick NATO membership on both Finland and Sweden.

guaranteed there is so much support for Ukraine, none of them got there the ground zero because if they do show there, Putin will send his weapons of mass destruction to shoot a single outsider's vehicle. it will sound overkill but they can justify this because he had sent warnings already live on TV. while they are not yet doing that, NATO countries will have to be careful not to provoke them from doing it.

i'm not sure if he can get west but he did get the eastern part of Ukraine.

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Quote from: Majestic-milf on April 27, 2022, 03:02:45 AM

Russia, being the largest nuclear Power ahead of America, have dropped anchor in Ukraine since February, have made it a life's mission to bring down Ukraine, upsetting the mundane life activities of its citizens.
While Ukraine is older in years to Russia, the latter seems to have increased in size and economic, military might. Because of this growth, they now see Ukraine as younger and are dominating them.
America have been known as one the countries who feel the strike against Ukraine is not necessary.
Recently, during the Easter celebration in Ukraine, they were visited by both secretaries of state and defense, Anthony Blinken and Lloyd Austin. These two managed to put a little hope in the hearts of the people of Russia.
My question is, it's true that America's military might is more than Russia, can they be able to defeat Russia out of benevolence or is there something attached?? Your thoughts please. https://www.economist.com/europe/america-is-now-thinking-of-winning-the-war-in-ukraine/21808960

No, I doubt the USA can end anything like that by them selfs. In case of an armed conflict, we can say that (without invoking any nuclear weapons) NATO would have an upper hand as we have seen Russia is not all that good in warfare (never was IMHO, they only had the numbers). Besides an all-out war, I can't really see any side stepping from their objectives, the only one would would be able to put any fork in the road is China.

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Quote from: electronicash on April 28, 2022, 08:31:16 PM

just yesterday Putin warns other countries to stay away from this war. he is not bluffing with this. America can stop the war, there is just a price for it. Ukraine can stop the war too and well, for a price too.

Personally, if you are Ukraine. Would you allow peace at the price of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk and the Mariupol area that connects Crimea to Donetsk?

Quote from: electronicash on April 28, 2022, 08:31:16 PM

Poland may try. there was news yesterday that they are going to reunite with what's left of Ukraine which could be a solution and west Ukraine can be Putin's profit for his war. this could be an alternative bargain or it could get worse when Putin takes Poland as well.

I do not see this happening. And do you really believe that Russia can occupy western Ukraine too? I even think Russia is not controlling western Ukraine's air zones anymore. There's a reason why Russian army withdrew its siege on Kyiv and focused its attention on the eastern side near Mariupol. Only Ukraine and Putin can stop this war. The west cannot just bargain anything without Ukraine's approval. And I doubt NATO countries are scared of Russia. Stoltenberg even boldy suggested a quick NATO membership on both Finland and Sweden.

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just yesterday Putin warns other countries to stay away from this war. he is not bluffing with this. America can stop the war, there is just a price for it. Ukraine can stop the war too and well, for a price too.

Poland may try. there was news yesterday that they are going to reunite with what's left of Ukraine which could be a solution and west Ukraine can be Putin's profit for his war. this could be an alternative bargain or it could get worse when Putin takes Poland as well.

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Quote from: dataispower on April 27, 2022, 01:30:49 PM

America can only stop the war of Ukraine and Russia if they follow it dialogue. But were by america supporting Russian or neither Ukraine by giving each of the country war supplements. With this method i fish out that it means the war can never come to end. I think world peace keeping ambassador is still existing.so with this sector or set of government function can call the problem of Ukraine and Russia to bar. And it can only happens if peace making ambassador is mandated to do so with other top countries support

I think America can and it should do all what it can to stop this war which is not only causing huge human casualties, collateral damage but also economic crisis worldwide. Look at crude oil and food price where they were before the war and where they are today as well as inflation is sky rocketing. America will have to sit with Russian leadership to negotiate the future of Ukraine which is acceptable for all parties involved and this is the only way to bring this conflict to an end.

Today, the US House of Representatives voted 417-10 to pass a lend-lease bill to allow for an unrestricted armament of Ukraine and other Eastern European countries.

The following Republicans voted against the bill:

Andy Biggs
Dan Bishop
Warren Davidson
Matt Gaetz
Paul Gosar
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Thomas Massie
Ralph Norman
Scott Perry
Tom Tiffany

They need to be investigated for possible links to Russian terrorists.

I think it is a small step in the right direction to end this conflict.

Hopefully, by the year-end the Russian army will be completely destroyed.

I recognize two names from this list only due to circulating media headlines, Greene and Gaetz. They can't seem to stay out of controversy. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a deranged nut job and anti-semite who blamed California wild fires on Jewish space lasers. She hates the jews, might even be a supporter of the alleged "denazification." by Russia. I believe she's been outspoken about remaining out of the Ukrainian conflict. Matt Gaetz is a Trumpian isolationist Republican, fairly typical. Both slightly unhinged.

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