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Topic: Can anyone post an exhaustive list of bad things Bitcoin is doing to this world? (Read 6154 times)

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The worst use of Bitcoin that is happening today is sell of arms & ammunitions. There were (maybe are) some sellers on Silk Road that dealed in this

They would have to do it under the radar, as Silk Road banned arms trade.

And people being able to effectively defend themselves, despite pro-criminal safety government infringements of the most important human right, is not the worst use of bitcoin.

Say what? I smell hypocrisy. No guns but tons of heroin? Drugs kill as good as guns do. I could never imagine that silkroad would ban something, lol. Proves that I know nothing.
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As a few people mentioned above, Bitcoin does have downsides, but they are tiny compared to the benefits. Access to running water also has downsides. It "wastes" power, costs resources and labor to maintain, makes people less creative, needs to be drained, etc.
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I would also say one of the potentially bad things is how easily they can be lost, forever.  One missed digit in a recipient's wallet, one lost paper wallet, one bad apple stealing from an exchange, etc., and they can never be recovered. 

I believe one missed digit or other small errors won't do anything, due to checksums.

One mispasted address, though...but the same is true with email. You think you Ctrl+C'd your girlfriend's address and then paste it into the recipient line, but you actually still had your boss's address on the clipboard. Then you proceed to send your boss a raunchy email, with cock pics, and/or talking about what a jerk he is. Alternatively you send that to an address that rebroadcasts to the whole company. Possible jail time.

Email isn't ready for the mainstream!
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I would also say one of the potentially bad things is how easily they can be lost, forever.  One missed digit in a recipient's wallet, one lost paper wallet, one bad apple stealing from an exchange, etc., and they can never be recovered. 

Maybe there's a market for risk management, last I heard in the fiat world financial fraud cost over 6 billion a year and that's an out of data figure. Of course there would be costs involved...

Makes me wonder, at a price of over $300 per BTC, is it time for the market to develop a bitcoin moderation/investigation/dispute resolution service?  A third party which private companies/customers can hire to investigate and opine on claims of wrongdoing between parties utilizing BTC as their medium of exchange?
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I would also say one of the potentially bad things is how easily they can be lost, forever.  One missed digit in a recipient's wallet, one lost paper wallet, one bad apple stealing from an exchange, etc., and they can never be recovered. 
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The worst use of Bitcoin that is happening today is sell of arms & ammunitions. There were (maybe are) some sellers on Silk Road that dealed in this

They would have to do it under the radar, as Silk Road banned arms trade.

And people being able to effectively defend themselves, despite pro-criminal safety government infringements of the most important human right, is not the worst use of bitcoin.
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Three of the big "bad things" brought up in this thread are buying drugs, buying guns and laundering your own money.  None of these things are actually crimes, because they have no victims.  Voluntary exchange between willing parties is not criminal behavior.
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Grossly disproportionate rewards to a small community of self selecting early adopters.

Early adopter are those how were looking/searching for alternative to the fiat currencies, and they took big risk, have vision and strong hands..  This is ok, they have the merit to own what they own.
What big risk?

Running the Bitcoin client software on computers they already owned?

The risk of holding thousands of bitcoins for 3 or more years through various rallies and crashes. 10,000 bitcoins in June 2011 was $320,000 in value. If you didn't sell, you risked losing $320,000. So, you held on, past the fall to $2, watching your $320,000 become $20,000. Ouch. Then, after what seemed like years, the exchange rate starts increasing again. Do you sell when it hits $32 again, almost 2 years later, regretting not selling the first time, or do you risk it and hold. Then in April 2013 it hits an ATH of $266. Do you sell. Did you sell on the way up? Do you hold? Will Bitcoin be worth anything in a year? Will a superior crypto currency be created? Will major governments outlaw Bitcoin? Will there be a 51% attack? Will there be a fork? Then it crashes back to $60 in a matter of days. Do you sell then? Will it go back up? Who can withstand these kind of fluctuations?

What big risk? Bitcoin is extremely risky. Any early adopter still holding early mined coins has experienced risk far beyond what any normal person will experience in their lifetime. The higher the exchange rate goes, the more risk they assume by holding on to their early stash.

Most early adopters have long since sold to investors who are capable of dealing with this kind of extreme risk.

It doesn't matter which money system is used, there will always be the extremely wealthy and there will always be the extremely poor. Bitcoin wasn't designed to change that because that isn't the job of money.

Keep pretending that the early adopters are just comfortably holding thousands of coins, without a care in the world, because they all knew it would make them filthy rich in a few years.

I like this. But even more I liked inspired by a few posts before:


A: It's unfair that Bitcoin rewards early adapters disproportionately.

B: Pssst... There is a new coin, Litecoin. You can still be an early adopter!

A: It is too expensive. I want lots of coins cheaply!

B: Feathercoin has been trading a while and you can just buy as many as you want.

A: Wtf is that...

B: The software is open source. Make your own coin and just select how many you want.

A: Too much hassle; I would invest my time and even money for something that has no guarantee of ever succeeding.

B: There you have the unfair and disproportionate bitcoiners...
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The worst use of Bitcoin that is happening today is sell of arms & ammunitions. There were (maybe are) some sellers on Silk Road that dealed in this
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Grossly disproportionate rewards to a small community of self selecting early adopters.

Yeah, the wheel was like that too. See how that turned out  Roll Eyes

Bitcoin enables trade. Voluntary trade.

Off the top of my head I cannot come up with an evil as the result of voluntary trade.
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The Kidnapping has apparently already begun, its just your files for now, children will take a bit longer.

http://www.coindesk.com/cryptolocker-malware-demands-bitcoin-ransom/

On a side note I would say that anything that makes people believe in Austrian economic nonsense is bad but that's a bit indirect as it's actually the implementation of Austrian economic practices that are damaging to the economy not people beliefs in them.

I wonder where do people get this shit? I've stopped using a serious antivirus software years ago, visit a lot of horrible places on the web daily, and yet I'm clean.

Best thing you can do is to store your important stuff offline I guess.
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The Kidnapping has apparently already begun, its just your files for now, children will take a bit longer.

http://www.coindesk.com/cryptolocker-malware-demands-bitcoin-ransom/

On a side note I would say that anything that makes people believe in Austrian economic nonsense is bad but that's a bit indirect as it's actually the implementation of Austrian economic practices that are damaging to the economy not people beliefs in them.
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every post here is talking how good btc is and how it is superior to other systems.

what are some disadvantages and weaknesses and bad effects bitcoin cause on this world and our society, financially/economically/socially/technically/environmentally/etc, that even the most die hard btc fanatic cannot deny?

I can't think of a single example, can you?

it is enabling criminals/terrorists/pedophiles/drug dealers/scammers/etc to acquire/manage/launder their blood-soaked money much easier and to continue their act, for one.

as for the thread, no one yet has the courage to admit to the truth that bitcoin causes harm as well as benefit.

everything has good side and bad side - bitcoin is no exception.

I forgot about how it could make it easier for kidnappers to collect ransom.
It is possible though to have a scheme where coins are held in a trust or
escrow where transactions can be reversed if not re-validated within a
given time period.  This of course requires protocol layer(s) above and beyond
the bitcoin protocol itself.
legendary
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I mean in his example, he says that somebody owes him $20 bucks and that it is traceable in the blockchain. I do not understand.
Blockchain doesn't have anything to do with dollars.

Just say 0,003 BTC then...
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Why on earth would you convert back and forth to fiat? To be excluded from the blockchain?

Because not everything can be buyed with Bitcoin now. Or it is more cheap/convenient to buy with fiat
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Financial privacy is compromised due to the traceability of the blockchain.

While you can't immediately tell which address belongs to which person/entity, transactions that you participate in allow you to review details of someone else's financial history.

For example, if you receive your salary in Bitcoin then send me that $20 you owe me, I can follow the funds used in that transaction to find your salary.

Another example, if I give you $50 for something, I can then see where you send that coin. If I recognize the addresses (or can look them up elsewhere) I know exactly what you're buying.

So… Bitcoin is hurting our financial privacy.

There are methods to mitigate this somewhat (use more addresses, split up large transactions into multiple smaller ones) but they require special effort. Most people just send/receive.

Why do people always talk about dollars when we discuss bitcoin?
Why on earth would you convert back and forth to fiat? To be excluded from the blockchain?
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Financial privacy is compromised due to the traceability of the blockchain.

While you can't immediately tell which address belongs to which person/entity, transactions that you participate in allow you to review details of someone else's financial history.

For example, if you receive your salary in Bitcoin then send me that $20 you owe me, I can follow the funds used in that transaction to find your salary.

Another example, if I give you $50 for something, I can then see where you send that coin. If I recognize the addresses (or can look them up elsewhere) I know exactly what you're buying.

So… Bitcoin is hurting our financial privacy.

There are methods to mitigate this somewhat (use more addresses, split up large transactions into multiple smaller ones) but they require special effort. Most people just send/receive.


Use shared send on blockchain.info and nobody will ever know your main addresses.
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The use of electrical power to secure the network, and an increase in doing so fueled by the greed of miners (I'm one of them).  The calculations completed have no intrinsic value - they're just a means to the end of securing the network.  As time goes on, if bitcoin continues to succeed, power consumption will continue increasing.

IMO, Bitcoin use far less, order of magnitude less power than banks paiement system / network / servers

I bet diiff can go to several billions and Bitcoin will still uses a lot less power than the actual fiat/credit system/network

Well, it will be at several billion some time next year, and it will continue growing after that with no sign of stopping if the price keeps up.  We'll just have to see what happens - many things are possible.  It is a consideration and a downside (that the electricity is just wasted), but not a major one.
And the end result is development entirely focused on improving energy efficiency of the hardware and cost effective operation will only possible with renewable energy. The Bitcoin network might end up using more power than the financial infrastructure one far flung day in the future but it will only burn a small fraction of the coal.

Given that ASIC development will lead to the point where electricity consumption is essentially the only cost of mining and if Bitcoin gets to the point where it's a (or the) major global currency, then mining will have to use a significant
fraction (up to half) of the world's energy output. Using any less will open it up to a 51% attack.
legendary
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actually, I love Bitcoin trading and all, but sitting here thinking, Im trying to think of why it is "actually" better/ (or has any advantadges) over just investing in any some other public market...? 

But then again, think about (I know this is extreme) but Madhoff with that Ponzi scheme, and he was doing that "supposedley" through NASDAQ or NYSE I think, (correct me if Im wrong)  and there are people today in their 90's who have to go to work because they are broke because of that scum.  To be honest, I'm glad his kid killed himself, and I would never say that, but the number of lives he ruined, makes Bitcoin traders not look soooo bad
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Another example, if I give you $50 for something, I can then see where you send that coin. If I recognize the addresses (or can look them up elsewhere) I know exactly what you're buying.

not quite. if you give 'me' $50 for something, you can then see where 'the recipient' sends that coin.

it may be the case that the address i give you for sending the $50, is directly owned by a 3rd party

e.g.

A owes B $50.
C purchases something from A for $50, but A simply gives him B's receiving address.



...also, put me in the money-laundering-is-not-inherently-bad camp:

Making it a lot easier to launder money...

Tools are neutral.  Likewise, as someone said above, free, voluntary exchange should be free.
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