Can Blockchain Bring change into Africa? - page 6.

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Quote from: joinfree on October 01, 2019, 06:26:09 AM

The nature of Africa was decentralization! Africa was unite and great until colonial masters began to centralize everything. Now all the resources is control by the western world. Now that the world is changing and blockchain is bring back decentralization to the world would Africa get their power back?

Honestly, I think that it is in Africa is where Blockchain technology is needed the most as it will really help in gaining the countries power back fully and even most especially their citizens that has been slave to so many of their government in the area of politics, economy, finances and many other area.

The area where I even feel that blockchain technology will be more useful in the aspect of politics, with blockchain technology, there will be lots of transparency in the system of government and also there will be a free and fair election. All these middle men that is making the operations in Africa to be cost and less effective will be eliminated, but I doubt if these people who are usually at the helms of government will allow this to see the light of the day.

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Quote from: hahahafr on October 02, 2019, 09:32:33 AM

What some African countries need is not blockchain technology though it can to some extent regulate the level of corruption. What they need is a TRANSFORMATION of their mindset and when to know that this is right and that is wrong. Until then, they would still make any solution worthless to the development of their country.

What they need is to revolt. Remove all the ones that occupy there, it could be bloody but that will earn them respect that they should have done long time ago. A strong willed military man that wants change kinda like a Lee Kuan Yew or the Duterte who will carry out force and accountability to what he does. And not depend to any country on how he will run it. And not act like they all have the stockholm syndrome.

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Quote from: Betwrong on October 02, 2019, 11:19:45 AM

But isn't the main problem of most African countries is that the help they are getting from the West is used by corrupted governments for buying weapons, private jets, luxury vehicles ... anything but food and water for the people in need?

It's a problem, but it's not the main problem, because no amount of aid can solve poverty, poverty is just a lack of strong economy.

Quote from: Betwrong on October 02, 2019, 11:19:45 AM

Aren't people in countries rich with cobalt, uranium, diamonds and gold starving because the money from selling those resources go to the wrong hands? Can't blockchain-powered supply chain change this situation for better?

That is indeed a big problem, but it can not be solved by blockchain. First, you are essentially asking people who control the resources to share their profits with population - you don't need blockchain to implement it, people were successfully doing it for thousands of years, the only missing part is willingness to do so. Next, blockchain is not a silver bullet for supply chain, it's just as malleable as any other scheme, because it inherently relies on trusted parties to maintain the ledger. The problem of corrupt countries is not that citizens can't detect corruption, but that no one is willing to punish it.

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Quote from: Betwrong on October 02, 2019, 11:19:45 AM

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 01, 2019, 12:14:25 PM

Blockchain is just a database protocol, how can a database help a continent? You can't lift whole societies with some simple trick, only deep systematic changes can do the job, and those are very hard, which is why some countries stagnate for decades. And going back to blockchain, it isn't even a deep fundamental technology that can change everything, in fact it's incredibly hard to find applications for it, and all those use cases that you read about in news articles actually only exist on paper.

But isn't the main problem of most African countries is that the help they are getting from the West is used by corrupted governments for buying weapons, private jets, luxury vehicles ... anything but food and water for the people in need? Aren't people in countries rich with cobalt, uranium, diamonds and gold starving because the money from selling those resources go to the wrong hands? Can't blockchain-powered supply chain change this situation for better?

African countries need to tackle the basic issues first. For example, in my opinion the most serious issue facing most of these countries is the uncontrolled growth of population. This results in increased competition for the scarce resources (as we have seen in countries such as Nigeria, where thousands have been killed in clashes between farmers and cattle herders). Only if the population growth is controlled, then other issues such as illiteracy, corruption, and crime can be taken care of.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 01, 2019, 12:14:25 PM

Blockchain is just a database protocol, how can a database help a continent? You can't lift whole societies with some simple trick, only deep systematic changes can do the job, and those are very hard, which is why some countries stagnate for decades. And going back to blockchain, it isn't even a deep fundamental technology that can change everything, in fact it's incredibly hard to find applications for it, and all those use cases that you read about in news articles actually only exist on paper.

But isn't the main problem of most African countries is that the help they are getting from the West is used by corrupted governments for buying weapons, private jets, luxury vehicles ... anything but food and water for the people in need? Aren't people in countries rich with cobalt, uranium, diamonds and gold starving because the money from selling those resources go to the wrong hands? Can't blockchain-powered supply chain change this situation for better?

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What some African countries need is not blockchain technology though it can to some extent regulate the level of corruption. What they need is a TRANSFORMATION of their mindset and when to know that this is right and that is wrong. Until then, they would still make any solution worthless to the development of their country.

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Quote from: joinfree on October 01, 2019, 06:26:09 AM

The nature of Africa was decentralization! Africa was unite and great until colonial masters began to centralize everything.

I don't think Africa's historical problems ever came down to a problem of centralization vs. decentralization. Ever. Just look at the famine caused in Mogadishu back in 1993. That was due to Somalia's own warlord leaders who stole all the food that was being shipped in as aid, and that's just one example. With respect to bitcoin or blockchain, I can't see how either one is going to help a whole continent where there is still gov't repression of its people. I cannot think of a single example of how the blockchain revolution could do this, and owning bitcoin requires money in the first place. I suppose it would be easier to hide money from the gov't, but that isn't really going to help things overall.

Quote from: dothebeats on October 02, 2019, 07:21:37 AM

No, a public, decentralized ledger couldn't and wouldn't bring change in a poverty-stricken land such as Africa. The change would come from within

That is my point. A blockchain is just that, a ledger. No matter how great you can make a ledger it isn't going to cause a revolution in any country, much less Africa. And don't you think we would already be seeing signs of this happening if it was going to at all? I mean its been 10 years since bitcoin was created.

If there are any Africans who would be willing to provide solid examples of how their lives had changed because of a blockchain or even bitcoin, I'd really like to read them. I don't think that has happened and don't think it will.

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No, a public, decentralized ledger couldn't and wouldn't bring change in a poverty-stricken land such as Africa. The change would come from within, and not from external factors IMO. Sure enough, we can send help and do our best efforts for humanitarian causes, and educate the people in there but that's about it. If they aren't going to be treated well-enough by those they elected, they will remain the same for decades to come. It's not a matter of bringing new tech to a poor continent that will potentially bring the change they need but rather the change that needs to come from their own governments.

Quote from: shield132 on October 02, 2019, 06:02:35 AM

OP wait wait, Africa was great until.... When was it great? I don't remember such fact in history.

Before Carthage fell to the hands of the Romans, Africa--most particularly the land near the Mediterranean--was booming with the rule and leadership of the general Hannibal. That's some bit of history that Africa was once great, but perhaps quite insignificant because that was almost a millennium ago.

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OP wait wait, Africa was great until.... When was it great? I don't remember such fact in history. You mentioned that world is changing and blockchain brings decentralization back, yeah, world is developing higher and higher but have no idea how blockchain technologies will be able to bring decentralization in real life. Also what powers does Africa has to gain back? Please can you clarify this? Were there big inventors from Africa? Was this country mirror of democracy? Or what power do you mean because this country was poor every time, now other nations are making it much more poor, yeah, I agree with you in that because we get cheap but hard work from them and use it for our own economy. Also there is very low level of education in that country so no...

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It is not a technology that will bring effective change to Africa. Technology can be a facilitator in some ways, but change needs to start with managers and or politicians. There is no point in having ineffective social policies that just pretend to work. We need acts that really bring results to the needy population, efficient and continuous projects.

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Quote from: joinfree on October 01, 2019, 06:26:09 AM

The nature of Africa was decentralization! Africa was unite and great until colonial masters began to centralize everything. Now all the resources is control by the western world. Now that the world is changing and blockchain is bring back decentralization to the world would Africa get their power back?

in fact, Africa is poor because its resources are not so much. Besides, they are in a place where natural and economic conditions do not support and they also find it difficult to trade goods with other countries. No matter how good blockchain technology is, I'm afraid it can't help Africa get rich.

In my honest opinion, it is possible for Africa and any country to take benefits out of blockchain and crypto currencies in whatever way they desire to. No doubt, the location is a bit of hurdle for Africa in its prosperity but that is what digital world does not care about. All someone need to make money from such innovations is internet and their sense of usage. However, a large scale change requires governmental level support.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on October 01, 2019, 04:07:30 PM

Quote from: joinfree on October 01, 2019, 06:26:09 AM

The nature of Africa was decentralization! Africa was unite and great until colonial masters began to centralize everything. Now all the resources is control by the western world. Now that the world is changing and blockchain is bring back decentralization to the world would Africa get their power back?

Thank you, you made my day. I had a good laugh.

Unfortunately, this is no laughing matter.
Africans should really start learning their own history first and then start posting crap like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 01, 2019, 12:14:25 PM

Blockchain is just a database protocol, how can a database help a continent? You can't lift whole societies with some simple trick, only deep systematic changes can do the job, and those are very hard, which is why some countries stagnate for decades.

Quote from: avikz on October 01, 2019, 12:30:32 PM

Blockchain is not a magic wand, it's just a special type of database! Bringing change to a continent extremely rich with natural resources is much beyond the scope of blockchain.

But, but...thanks to the blockchain and bitcoin you can earn now money for shitposts on a forum.
What more do you need? /s

Anyhow, thank you guys, there is still hope for reasoning here in this avalanche of stupidity and ignorance.

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Quote from: Spaffin on October 01, 2019, 12:49:39 PM

It always seemed to me that Africa has a huge potential for the production of solar energy, because no country can give as much empty territory for this production as there is in Africa. And of course, cryptocurrency mining due to cheap electricity in this case will be more than profitable. In addition, the use of cryptocurrency to pay for the entire process of production of alternative energy sources may well change the whole life of the inhabitants of Africa.

Solar energy is definitely perfect for the African terrain due to the large amount of sunshine they get on a daily basis but sadly a large number of Africans are living in poverty and they don't have the funds to fully go solar since it's expensive, I bet mining cryptos on solar energy will be very great for the African People.

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As much as it would be a good idea in theory, in practice it wouldn't work due to the high social and income inequality. Because of this, education is barely available and where it is, only a low standard is given. This accompanied with the complex nature of cryptocurrency, in terms of actually understanding the technology behind it, proves to be a recipe for failure. Additionally, the access to technology across the continent is extremely limited, serving as another limiting factor in combination with the likely banning of crypto in an economy overwhelmed by horrendous corruption.

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Quote from: WatchMaker on October 01, 2019, 09:33:01 AM

Yes, I believe the blockchain technology will help unite Africa once again.
Blockchain will boost African businesses, it will help reduce rigging elections and corruption.

I agree with you, with blockchain technology that is very transparent and easy to help the economy of Africa which is currently in decline and can help change all systems in the government to be very transparent
and also with the possibility that there will be many investors who are interested in entering the country if the conditions there are already very good due to applying blockchain technology with massive so as to make a clean government and make investors comfortable to invest there.

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Quote from: joinfree on October 01, 2019, 06:26:09 AM

The nature of Africa was decentralization! Africa was unite and great until colonial masters began to centralize everything. Now all the resources is control by the western world. Now that the world is changing and blockchain is bring back decentralization to the world would Africa get their power back?

It will contribute of course. But it will not bring back everything in the past as if the blockchain technology will halt everything that is being implemented right now by what you call as the western world, much less erase a significant portion of history that is influenced by the so called colonial masters. At the end of the day, the blockchain technology itself is most probably a product of the western world, Satoshi being a westerner most probably.

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Quote from: joinfree on October 01, 2019, 06:26:09 AM

The nature of Africa was decentralization! Africa was unite and great until colonial masters began to centralize everything. Now all the resources is control by the western world. Now that the world is changing and blockchain is bring back decentralization to the world would Africa get their power back?

Bitcoin could help a lot of people who does not have any source of income for them to provide all of their basic needs, so i think bitcoin could help a lot of people in africa for them to provide their needs too. As long they have the enough technologies for them to earn bitcoin like smartphones and computers as well as an internet connection.

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I'm not really sure how entirely, but it will help. This country has a lot of issues, other countries do too but this county specifically is different. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's also talk about the negative things that might happen. I've read some articles that Blockchain is being used for Money Laundering and other illegal activities by politicians and such. And that might affect how this country would implement this system to their government.

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Quote from: joinfree on October 01, 2019, 06:26:09 AM

The nature of Africa was decentralization! Africa was unite and great until colonial masters began to centralize everything. Now all the resources is control by the western world. Now that the world is changing and blockchain is bring back decentralization to the world would Africa get their power back?

I don't think, cryptocurrencies will always be controlled by someone who can buy cryptocurrencies with fiat money, who have a lot of fiat money control everything even cryptocurrency

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